onoki rock village is not innocent they gave edo tensai to madara

[uzumakiclan101]

you go to the wikipedia and have a look my friend!

 

[Stark]

I don't think so

 

[New Era]

Idk he probably spied on the 2nd hokage during a time he used it... a better question is what makes u think the 2nd would send a scrool for a forbidden jutsu to onoki

i think he sent it to the 2nd tsukage and onoki because the real madara could have been really there to control that country and learn techs to defend himself.

onoki didn't have to be aware of it but just that madara manipulated the upper leaders.

 

[Netsui]

not if the tech is as dangerous as tobirama and tobi said tobirama always wacthed the uchiha


he owuld revive their dead that people grieve for and workers to work for them but they would still be under the 2nd hokage control.

the scroll that that tobirama would give is just to let the edo tensai's release themself when they want to leave.

Tobirama deemed it as forbidden. He wouldn't give others a jutsu that dangerous to other villages, especially whenever they already had tailed beasts.

And if he deemed it forbidden he wouldn't send the release jutsu to other villages.

And it never stated in the manga that Tobirama gave them anything. If someone died, they wouldn't revive them just to make them work. If you look at Edo Tensei, not many of the Edos wanted to stay alive. It probably would have been the same case whenever Tobirama were around.

Edit: Madara never left to go to the rock village. If he did wouldn't he have brought more than the Kyuubi with him whenever he battled Hashirama? Because at that time the Rock village already had a tailed beast or two, right?

 

[New Era]

no no and read the manga before you post crap.2nd hokage would never teach anyone that jutsu and it would make sense if you say he learn it from watching a fight with the 2nd hokage.

tobirama did not teach the jutsu did you understand my theory right, tobirama gave th rock country the seal to release the undead, the rock country did not get the seal with marking not the actual edo tensai scroll but the hand seals.

 

[New Era]

Tobirama deemed it as forbidden. He wouldn't give others a jutsu that dangerous to other villages, especially whenever they already had tailed beasts.

And if he deemed it forbidden he wouldn't send the release jutsu to other villages.

And it never stated in the manga that Tobirama gave them anything. If someone died, they wouldn't revive them just to make them work. If you look at Edo Tensei, not many of the Edos wanted to stay alive. It probably would have been the same case whenever Tobirama were around.

Edit: Madara never left to go to the rock village. If he did wouldn't he have brought more than the Kyuubi with him whenever he battled Hashirama? Because at that time the Rock village already had a tailed beast or two, right?

madara couldn't do much when he has the nine tails.When madara controls the nine tails he is also restricted and does not have much time.

Minato said this.

 

[soulreaper11]

tobirama did not teach the jutsu did you understand my theory right, tobirama gave th rock country the seal to release the undead, the rock country did not get the seal with marking not the actual edo tensai scroll but the hand seals.

either way it still dont make a crap of a sense cause if you give them the release seal then you have to teach them the jutsu and what good is the release when it is the user than have to release the jutsu?

 

[Nishio]

Here's why this theory makes no sense... why would the 2nd send the rock village hand seals to release a tech they didn't even know how to use.... why would he do this especially since this was nearing the time of a wàr

 

[WhistleBlower]

madara smart his got his ways probably by hyponotizing someone or he got by confronting tobirama and copied it with his sharingan

 

[Netsui]

madara couldn't do much when he has the nine tails.When madara controls the nine tails he is also restricted and does not have much time.

Minato said this.

Wasn't that against Tobi, not Madara? There is a difference between the two.

Here's why this theory makes no sense... why would the 2nd send the rock village hand seals to release a tech they didn't even know how to use.... why would he do this especially since this was nearing the time of a wàr

This is a good point. Why send hand seals to release a technique when they don't know how to use it?

Edo Tensei was deemed forbidden, Tobirama wouldn't send it off to another country. Tobirama didn't have to send anything to the other villages, since Hashirama already sent tailed beasts for friendship.

 

[New Era]

either way it still dont make a crap of a sense cause if you give them the release seal then you have to teach them the jutsu and what good is the release when it is the user than have to release the jutsu?

who said that, i said the upper people of the village would give the edo's the scroll to do the hand seals to be released, the tsukage cannot do the jutsu but just give the edo the scroll so that they can die.

Here's why this theory makes no sense... why would the 2nd send the rock village hand seals to release a tech they didn't even know how to use.... why would he do this especially since this was nearing the time of a wàr

thye don't use the tech , u do not understand the theory, they tsukage only got the hand seal part to release themself's so that the edo's who are being controlled can get the scroll when it's time for them to die.

the upper ups were just in charge of the hand seal as a secret.

madara smart his got his ways probably by hyponotizing someone or he got by confronting tobirama and copied it with his sharingan

possible

 

[New Era]

Wasn't that against Tobi, not Madara? There is a difference between the two.



This is a good point. Why send hand seals to release a technique when they don't know how to use it?

Edo Tensei was deemed forbidden, Tobirama wouldn't send it off to another country. Tobirama didn't have to send anything to the other villages, since Hashirama already sent tailed beasts for friendship.

minato said if he is madara then he can't control the kyubi.

 

[Anorien16]

Why would Tobirama give anything to a enemy village? Plus do u have manga support to indicate to this affair?

 

[Netsui]

minato said if he is madara then he can't control the kyubi.

Well, there's Tobi against Naruto, Bee, Kakashi, and Gai. And Madara are fighting the Hokages. So they're different, and Madara did take the Kyuubi with them whenever he had EMS, so he might have better control over the Kyuubi than Tobi.

And I think Madara can control the Kyuubi cause in the manga didn't Kurama say something how he would rather help Naruto than being controlled by Madara? If Madara couldn't control him then Kurama wouldn't have worried about that.

 

[New Era]

Why would Tobirama give anything to a enemy village? Plus do u have manga support to indicate to this affair?

it's a disccusion if it's true no there is not someone saying that tobirama gave edo's out but it is an idea to see how madara learned of the hand seals.

 

[New Era]

Well, there's Tobi against Naruto, Bee, Kakashi, and Gai. And Madara are fighting the Hokages. So they're different, and Madara did take the Kyuubi with them whenever he had EMS, so he might have better control over the Kyuubi than Tobi.

And I think Madara can control the Kyuubi cause in the manga didn't Kurama say something how he would rather help Naruto than being controlled by Madara? If Madara couldn't control him then Kurama wouldn't have worried about that.

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if he really is madara i doubt he can summon the nine tails for long.

 

[soulreaper11]

who said that, i said the upper people of the village would give the edo's the scroll to do the hand seals to be released, the tsukage cannot do the jutsu but just give the edo the scroll so that they can die.

you still make no sense and is so many holes in your claim so you say the village upper would make time to go out to the battle field and give the edo's while are under control full control cause back them the 2nd hokage edo's did not have so much freedom as kabuto's edo to free themselves while under full control.

 

[New Era]

you still make no sense and is so many holes in your claim so you say the village upper would make time to go out to the battle field and give the edo's while are under control full control cause back them the 2nd hokage edo's did not have so much freedom as kabuto's edo to free themselves while under full control.

you mean back then the 2nd hokage didn't have much binding.

tobirama binding was not as good as kabuto and orochimaru, orochimaru and kabuto improved the talisman.

i am saying that the upper man in the rock village knew the hand seals to release edo's not how to use edo tensai ok.

SO when the edo tensai summon was ready to die or gain rights the upper ups would let the edo do the seal to release themselfs from the bind.

so if they see a relative they can die happily
tobirama is the only one to be able to put them in the coffin.

 

[Netsui]

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if he really is madara i doubt he can summon the nine tails for long.

How would he be Madara if Madara was brought back to life through Edo Tensei? If it's part of Madara's soul (which I doubt), then he shouldn't have any problem controlling the Kyuubi.

Kurama was worried about Madara controlling him, because Madara already controlled Kurama back during Hashirama's time.

 

[kaka96]

How would he be Madara if Madara was brought back to life through Edo Tensei? If it's part of Madara's soul (which I doubt), then he shouldn't have any problem controlling the Kyuubi.

Kurama was worried about Madara controlling him, because Madara already controlled Kurama back during Hashirama's time.

True that ^^