Onmyoudon: The Single Most Important Thing in Naruto

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

I guess the point under the point I was trying to make is...Is it possible that the Uzumaki themselves, not just the Sage, learned Onmyoudon from the Juubi much earlier than the Sage's encounter with it?

Otherwise...its almost two random that they know basically the other "half" of something the Juubi knows.

It's certainly a possibility, the Uzumaki is a priestly clan, worshipping divinities are what they do, the Jūbi could also be one of those divinities they had contact with other than the Shinigamis or Spiritual Entities they were known to invoke, perhaps this paved the way for Rikūdo to actually have contact with the Jūbi and later learned the deeper mysteries of Chakra by forging a personal friendship with it, a sort of divine boon to a particular person or priest a deity favors.

 

[Tebows Youth Group]

A circle you say? Do tell.

Lol. I just meant that its hard to trace the origins of Onmyoudon. The Juubi/Uzumaki/ some other entity...Its just too early.

One thing I wanted to bring up to you specifically is that its weird that this art has disappeared within the century. Or at least from the 2nd Hokage's time to present day. You brought up Sasuke's interest in it, which I thought was really interesting. The point I'm making about the seemingly disappearance of such an important knowledge is that its almost too strange. It was like some one didn't want the knowledge of "erasing Ninjutsu" to spread around the minds of Ninja. Or, that some one didn't want "a world without Ninjutsu" all together. So I think you're right about Sasuke. He could end up being the one who "saves the world." If he can make Naruto understand..

 

[Gyakusetsu]

It is the lack of historical detail that is a detail by itself. I believe that it was Hashirama that said that through his system there would be "entire generations that would live long enough to know the taste of alcohol". Whaa?!? That statement doesn't lend hope that there is this mysterious clan of highly advanced Fuinjutsu users prior to Rikudou. If such a clan existed it would hold a strategic advantage over other groups, who essentially would have nothing to combat with since Ninjutsu did not exist. If we assume that this clan is not warlike but consists of peaceful priests, then they could have brought such enlightenment to the world and in so doing peace would be established. Logically the only way such a device could be used would be through the introduction of an antagonist (like sith lords) that would have power of their own but we have excluded the possibility of the Juubi and Rikudou. We also know that the Uzumaki clan was attacked for fear of their Fuinjutsu techniques. This seems counterintuitive that Rikudou would teach such techniques that ultimately lead to the demise of his clan and one would have to question his oracular abilities (which I do). I tend to believe what has been stated that Rikudou ushered in the era. Before him this was not a possibility due to the continuous wars. Most didn't live that long and even after him it was still an issue all the way until Hashirama's age.

 

[Draxus]

uhm... naw.

Juubi had different forms because it wasn't a complete resurrection.

 

[The God of Wind]

As the title says. Onmyoudon is the most important thing in Naruto's world. Onmyoudon is the reason people are able to use Ninjutsu. Allow me to explain.​

Now, in order to fully understand what I am going to say you need to know what exactly I think the Juubi, the Tailed Beasts, and the Sage to be.


I have written threads on these topics.

The Tailed Beasts

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The Juubi

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The Sage

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If you would like to read them, please go ahead, but for those who didn't I will summarize. The premise of those threads was to show why all Ninjutsu(including KG) stem from the Juubi and why the So6P's was not able to utilize Ninjutsu (not Senjutsu or Fuinjutsu, I mean elemental ninjutsu) until after his fight with the Juubi.

So let's get into it...​

PART 1: Onmyoudon​

Spoiler

First: What is Onmyoudon?

It is a way of thought incorporating the yin-yang balance and balance through five elements (earth, water, fire, metal and wood) using prevalent Taoist practices. It was brought to Japan by Buddhist monks.

Of course in our story, metal and wood are replaced by lightning and wind, and wood is made into a KG, but the 5 element concept is the same.

Second: What is Onmyoudon in relation to Naruto?

Well there are two things we know.

One, we have this. Onmyoudon makes Ninjutsu useless.

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Two, the Onmyoudon stems from the Juubi. How can we know that? Well, Obito was not impervious to Ninjutsu before sealing the Juubi within himself and now he is; interestingly though, he is not impervious to Senjutsu, but I will get into that later.

So why is this so important you may ask? Well, if we can assume Onmyoudon stems from the Juubi, then...

A. The Sage MUST have used Senjutsu to weaken and seal the Juubi, otherwise he could not have damaged it. I am under the belief that not only did he use Senjutsu to beat the Juubi, but he HAD to because he could not use Ninjutsu yet. This was explained in my thread "The Sage" at the top so I will not go into too much detail.

B. Upon sealing the Juubi, the Sage himself would have unlocked this Onmyoudon.



Part 'B' brings up a very interesting point and I will tell you why.. If we can accept the fact that the source of making Ninjutsu obsolete, Onmyoudon, stems from the Juubi, then do you think it is merely a coincidence that Ninjutsu was born after it was sealed? Of course not..

Sage defeating the source of what is the Onmyoudon

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Sage going on to teach the world Ninshu

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Onmyoudon is the "knowledge" granted from the Juubi or Nature itself. It is the "knowledge" on how to control Nature, or the elements, in one's self. That is the reason it can make Ninjutsu obsolete. Because it is the foundation of Ninjutsu. It can create or destroy it. YIN and YANG.

PART 2: THE THEORY​

Spoiler

The Sage...

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...being of Uzumaki heritage, excelled in the Fuinjutsu his clan specializes in..

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...and sought to find balance in his war-torn era.

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He found his answer through meditation or collecting Natural Chakra (Remember at this point ELEMENTAL techniques are still unbeknownst to him). How he came to find this truth is still a mystery to me. There are of course places in which one can learn to harness the power of Nature...but I digress. Studying and practicing this new path he realized (or sensed) that the very Nature he was using to elevate himself had been manifesting into a sentient being...The Juubi.

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POINTS TO SUPPORT MY POINTS: FACT INTERJECTION

Spoiler

In fact, the very idea of the Juubi having multiple forms suggests that it was 'spawned' rather than always existing as a final form.

When it began manifesting it of course looked like this..

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Then as the Natural Chakra keeps manifesting it began to look like this..

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Then of course it collects more..

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...until it MANIFESTS completely into a final form. Meaning it wasn't always walking around in its final form or there would be no point in having transformations at all.


When they Kyuubi says this...

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...he is literally referring to what Nature does, not necessarily the formed Juubi. Nature and the Juubi are one in the same.

It was obvious why the Juubi had begun to form. "Man" had ravaged the land with its constant wars and extended its borders beyond what it needed to survive...

FACT INTERJECTION- Onmyoudon's (remember this represents the Juubi) views on "the Natural World"

Spoiler

"However, in many cases habitations are not occurrences of nature itself but instead attempts to control nature and bend it to the will of whomever might wish to be shielded. This is true for all animals, humans included, and too widespread a habitation often intrudes upon others. Humans are most guilty of extending their cities, towns, and villages far outside of their need, which can make it difficult to live for both humans and any other creatures who happen to be near."

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...so Nature sought to defend itself. The Sage knew what the Juubi was and what it intended to do (whipe out man to protect itself). However, he felt that Man just needed more time to live in harmony with eachother and by extention with the land. So, buying time for mankind, he sealed the Juubi, knowing that someday it would be pieced back together...

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...and by that time man would have learned to cease the constant wars and bloodshed. The Sage, using his understanding of Senjutsu and Fuinjutsu defeated and sealed the Juubi within himself granting him a new power, the Rinnengan.

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He had now defeated and sealed the source of the Onmyoudon and realized he had the ability to use chakra as he pleased without having to gather Natural chakra from the Earth...it was now inside of him at his disposal.

FACT INTERJECTION: Why the Rinnengan is the Rinnengan.

Spoiler

Remember the Juubi is nature.

And nature is nothing more than the elements; earth, water, wind, fire and lightning.

And what is Onmyoudon? It is the balancing of the 5 elements.

And what does the Rinnengan do? It gives one power of the five elements.

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The Rinnengan comes from the Juubi, nature, whatever you want to call it. It is the eye of the Onmyouji.

FACT INSIDE A FACT: The Sharingan

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There is a reason the Sharingan can master all types of Jutsu.

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If you haven't noticed by now, the Sharingan comes from the Juubi and the reason it can read through all Ninjutsu is simple. Ninjutsu comes from the Juubi.

The Sage had now become a god and the first onmyouji or one who practices onmyoudou (I implore all of you to read up on the subject, particularly about Abe no Seimei who was interestingly birthed by a demon fox mother). Now that he was the master of yin-yang balance, chakra and the 5 elements he could now teach others the secrets of harnessing their own power. And now, with this easier method of chakra control, and without the crux of the Juubi's Onmyoudon, Sage Art or Senjutsu had become unnecessary and a rare and unpracticed art lost to the ages. The rest as they say, is history....

If you were able to finish the thanks for reading*_*

Brilliant as always Tim! Your threads are the reason I come here, I want you to know that.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

It is the lack of historical detail that is a detail by itself. I believe that it was Hashirama that said that through his system there would be "entire generations that would live long enough to know the taste of alcohol". Whaa?!?.

That is a categorical error, the Senjus and Uchihas during the First Shinobi World War were deeply embroiled in the fighting in the Land of Fire whereas the Uzumaki Clan was completely unsacthed from the war because of their apathy and isolation in the Land of Eddys. Logic suggests that even during the Pre-Ninjutsu Era the Uzumakis would have strived for being extricated from the warring world.

That statement doesn't lend hope that there is this mysterious clan of highly advanced Fuinjutsu users prior to Rikudou. If such a clan existed it would hold a strategic advantage over other groups, who essentially would have nothing to combat with since Ninjutsu did not exist. If we assume that this clan is not warlike but consists of peaceful priests, then they could have brought such enlightenment to the world and in so doing peace would be established.

You are mistaken in the assumption that Rikudou's intentions were in similitude with his kinsmen, based on the background of the Uzumaki Clan they were secretive and remained hidden in the shadows, the Rikudou however chose a different path and tried to spread Ninshu to the world. Priestliness does not necessarily equate to benevolence (Kushina stated that they were also quite "Savage")

We also know that the Uzumaki clan was attacked for fear of their Fuinjutsu techniques. This seems counterintuitive that Rikudou would teach such techniques that ultimately lead to the demise of his clan and one would have to question his oracular abilities (which I do).

The Uzumaki Clan was attacked by no other than Madara Uchiha, for his fear of the Fuuinjutsu of the Uzumaki Clan as a serious detriment to the Eye of the Moon Plan. When Madara awoke the Rinnegan, he reread the Uchiha Tablet in the Shrine (either by himself or through proxy via Zetsu) and discovered the true heritage of the Sage, in light of this revelation, at the same timeframe of the Rinnegan's awakening, Uzushiogakure was destroyed and Madara implanted the Rinnegan into Nagato, this is no coincidence for coincidences do not exist in this Manga. And to question the divination abilities of the Rikudou is to question Manga canon.

I tend to believe what has been stated that Rikudou ushered in the era. Before him this was not a possibility due to the continuous wars. Most didn't live that long and even after him it was still an issue all the way until Hashirama's age.

Again you are making a categorical error by comparing the situation of the Uzumakis to the warring clans, which I have already said, they were completely apathetic to the war and bloodshed even during the First Shinobi World War.

 

[Xāvî1]

As the title says. Onmyoudon is the most important thing in Naruto's world. Onmyoudon is the reason people are able to use Ninjutsu. Allow me to explain.​

Now, in order to fully understand what I am going to say you need to know what exactly I think the Juubi, the Tailed Beasts, and the Sage to be.


I have written threads on these topics.

The Tailed Beasts

You must be registered for see links

The Juubi

You must be registered for see links

The Sage

You must be registered for see links

If you would like to read them, please go ahead, but for those who didn't I will summarize. The premise of those threads was to show why all Ninjutsu(including KG) stem from the Juubi and why the So6P's was not able to utilize Ninjutsu (not Senjutsu or Fuinjutsu, I mean elemental ninjutsu) until after his fight with the Juubi.

So let's get into it...​

PART 1: Onmyoudon​

Spoiler

First: What is Onmyoudon?

It is a way of thought incorporating the yin-yang balance and balance through five elements (earth, water, fire, metal and wood) using prevalent Taoist practices. It was brought to Japan by Buddhist monks.

Of course in our story, metal and wood are replaced by lightning and wind, and wood is made into a KG, but the 5 element concept is the same.

Second: What is Onmyoudon in relation to Naruto?

Well there are two things we know.

One, we have this. Onmyoudon makes Ninjutsu useless.

You must be registered for see images

Two, the Onmyoudon stems from the Juubi. How can we know that? Well, Obito was not impervious to Ninjutsu before sealing the Juubi within himself and now he is; interestingly though, he is not impervious to Senjutsu, but I will get into that later.

So why is this so important you may ask? Well, if we can assume Onmyoudon stems from the Juubi, then...

A. The Sage MUST have used Senjutsu to weaken and seal the Juubi, otherwise he could not have damaged it. I am under the belief that not only did he use Senjutsu to beat the Juubi, but he HAD to because he could not use Ninjutsu yet. This was explained in my thread "The Sage" at the top so I will not go into too much detail.

B. Upon sealing the Juubi, the Sage himself would have unlocked this Onmyoudon.



Part 'B' brings up a very interesting point and I will tell you why.. If we can accept the fact that the source of making Ninjutsu obsolete, Onmyoudon, stems from the Juubi, then do you think it is merely a coincidence that Ninjutsu was born after it was sealed? Of course not..

Sage defeating the source of what is the Onmyoudon

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Sage going on to teach the world Ninshu

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Onmyoudon is the "knowledge" granted from the Juubi or Nature itself. It is the "knowledge" on how to control Nature, or the elements, in one's self. That is the reason it can make Ninjutsu obsolete. Because it is the foundation of Ninjutsu. It can create or destroy it. YIN and YANG.

PART 2: THE THEORY​

Spoiler

The Sage...

You must be registered for see images

...being of Uzumaki heritage, excelled in the Fuinjutsu his clan specializes in..

You must be registered for see images

...and sought to find balance in his war-torn era.

You must be registered for see images

He found his answer through meditation or collecting Natural Chakra (Remember at this point ELEMENTAL techniques are still unbeknownst to him). How he came to find this truth is still a mystery to me. There are of course places in which one can learn to harness the power of Nature...but I digress. Studying and practicing this new path he realized (or sensed) that the very Nature he was using to elevate himself had been manifesting into a sentient being...The Juubi.

You must be registered for see images

POINTS TO SUPPORT MY POINTS: FACT INTERJECTION

Spoiler

In fact, the very idea of the Juubi having multiple forms suggests that it was 'spawned' rather than always existing as a final form.

When it began manifesting it of course looked like this..

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

Then as the Natural Chakra keeps manifesting it began to look like this..

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

Then of course it collects more..

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

...until it MANIFESTS completely into a final form. Meaning it wasn't always walking around in its final form or there would be no point in having transformations at all.


When they Kyuubi says this...

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

...he is literally referring to what Nature does, not necessarily the formed Juubi. Nature and the Juubi are one in the same.

It was obvious why the Juubi had begun to form. "Man" had ravaged the land with its constant wars and extended its borders beyond what it needed to survive...

FACT INTERJECTION- Onmyoudon's (remember this represents the Juubi) views on "the Natural World"

Spoiler

"However, in many cases habitations are not occurrences of nature itself but instead attempts to control nature and bend it to the will of whomever might wish to be shielded. This is true for all animals, humans included, and too widespread a habitation often intrudes upon others. Humans are most guilty of extending their cities, towns, and villages far outside of their need, which can make it difficult to live for both humans and any other creatures who happen to be near."

link to website:

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...so Nature sought to defend itself. The Sage knew what the Juubi was and what it intended to do (whipe out man to protect itself). However, he felt that Man just needed more time to live in harmony with eachother and by extention with the land. So, buying time for mankind, he sealed the Juubi, knowing that someday it would be pieced back together...

You must be registered for see images

...and by that time man would have learned to cease the constant wars and bloodshed. The Sage, using his understanding of Senjutsu and Fuinjutsu defeated and sealed the Juubi within himself granting him a new power, the Rinnengan.

You must be registered for see images

He had now defeated and sealed the source of the Onmyoudon and realized he had the ability to use chakra as he pleased without having to gather Natural chakra from the Earth...it was now inside of him at his disposal.

FACT INTERJECTION: Why the Rinnengan is the Rinnengan.

Spoiler

Remember the Juubi is nature.

And nature is nothing more than the elements; earth, water, wind, fire and lightning.

And what is Onmyoudon? It is the balancing of the 5 elements.

And what does the Rinnengan do? It gives one power of the five elements.

You must be registered for see images

The Rinnengan comes from the Juubi, nature, whatever you want to call it. It is the eye of the Onmyouji.

FACT INSIDE A FACT: The Sharingan

Spoiler

There is a reason the Sharingan can master all types of Jutsu.

You must be registered for see images

If you haven't noticed by now, the Sharingan comes from the Juubi and the reason it can read through all Ninjutsu is simple. Ninjutsu comes from the Juubi.

The Sage had now become a god and the first onmyouji or one who practices onmyoudou (I implore all of you to read up on the subject, particularly about Abe no Seimei who was interestingly birthed by a demon fox mother). Now that he was the master of yin-yang balance, chakra and the 5 elements he could now teach others the secrets of harnessing their own power. And now, with this easier method of chakra control, and without the crux of the Juubi's Onmyoudon, Sage Art or Senjutsu had become unnecessary and a rare and unpracticed art lost to the ages. The rest as they say, is history....

If you were able to finish the thanks for reading*_*

very well done

 

[Tebows Youth Group]

Brilliant as always Tim! Your threads are the reason I come here, I want you to know that.

Haha I can always count on you man. Im glad you like it and appreciate the generousity!

 

[Tebows Youth Group]

It is the lack of historical detail that is a detail by itself. I believe that it was Hashirama that said that through his system there would be "entire generations that would live long enough to know the taste of alcohol". Whaa?!? That statement doesn't lend hope that there is this mysterious clan of highly advanced Fuinjutsu users prior to Rikudou. If such a clan existed it would hold a strategic advantage over other groups, who essentially would have nothing to combat with since Ninjutsu did not exist. If we assume that this clan is not warlike but consists of peaceful priests, then they could have brought such enlightenment to the world and in so doing peace would be established. Logically the only way such a device could be used would be through the introduction of an antagonist (like sith lords) that would have power of their own but we have excluded the possibility of the Juubi and Rikudou. We also know that the Uzumaki clan was attacked for fear of their Fuinjutsu techniques. This seems counterintuitive that Rikudou would teach such techniques that ultimately lead to the demise of his clan and one would have to question his oracular abilities (which I do). I tend to believe what has been stated that Rikudou ushered in the era. Before him this was not a possibility due to the continuous wars. Most didn't live that long and even after him it was still an issue all the way until Hashirama's age.

I have to agree with SDO on this. The idea that a clan (such as the Uzumaki) would feel some obligation to "enlighten" the world just because they had the ability to do so is oversimplifying it. Humanity is violent, this is no secret, and was apparently even more violent during the Sages era (as stated by Jiraiya). Sometimes the answer is to protect people from themselves. If the Uzumaki existed and operated on a higher mental plane (jutsu wise) then seeing the world as it was would almost be even more reason to not share their secrets. Sure, Hashirama's statements ring true when considering the world as it was, but the Uzumaki, being the peaceful clan they were, would be excluded from such a fact. Think about it...the Uzumaki were known for having long lives. A reputation that was obviously built on generations of people living long lives.

That's why the Sage is so important. He was the one who stood out against his clansmen. The Uzumaki saw the world, and its people, as hopeless. The Sage saw a world that just needed to be pushed in the right direction.

To me, there is no obscurity or contradiction. It is a scenario that no doubt could have existed given the evidence we have seen.

 

[Gyakusetsu]

That is a categorical error, the Senjus and Uchihas during the First Shinobi World War were deeply embroiled in the fighting in the Land of Fire whereas the Uzumaki Clan was completely unsacthed from the war because of their apathy and isolation in the Land of Eddys. Logic suggests that even during the Pre-Ninjutsu Era the Uzumakis would have strived for being extricated from the warring world.

The apathy and isolation comments you made would contradict the "savagery" you stated in your next quote. If they had intended to isolate themselves out of apathy, it really doesn't make sense to develop these techniques, right? I mean why develop power you don't care use? Your not worried about attack and your already logistically safe from harm.

You are mistaken in the assumption that Rikudou's intentions were in similitude with his kinsmen, based on the background of the Uzumaki Clan they were secretive and remained hidden in the shadows, the Rikudou however chose a different path and tried to spread Ninshu to the world. Priestliness does not necessarily equate to benevolence (Kushina stated that they were also quite "Savage")

Once again you can't have it both ways. Why did he spread Ninjutsu? Wasn't he looking for Peace? As anyone who studies peace knows, the way to achieve it is not by arming everyone. This is a Japanese manga and if you know anything about Bushido you understand that it ultimately manifests in giving up the sword. Once again, this calls to question his oracular ability.

The Uzumaki certainly failed to be such a secret clan since it seemed that everyone knew about them. Perhaps they should have reconsidered the Leaf design incorporation. If I am not mistaken they sought out the alliance with the Senju due to being set upon by enemies who feared their Fuinjutsu. Hashirama has made some mistakes but strikes me as being honorable it doesn't bear up to scrutiny that he would establish an alliance with a group of evil priests. I am not saying that they were kindly, they were just people...

The Uzumaki Clan was attacked by no other than Madara Uchiha, for his fear of the Fuuinjutsu of the Uzumaki Clan as a serious detriment to the Eye of the Moon Plan. When Madara awoke the Rinnegan, he reread the Uchiha Tablet in the Shrine (either by himself or through proxy via Zetsu) and discovered the true heritage of the Sage, in light of this revelation, at the same timeframe of the Rinnegan's awakening, Uzushiogakure was destroyed and Madara implanted the Rinnegan into Nagato, this is no coincidence for coincidences do not exist in this Manga. And to question the divination abilities of the Rikudou is to question Manga canon.

Madara attacking the Uzumaki is speculation, (edit: and conflicts with manga statements) Him re-reading the Uchiha table via Zetsu proxy is highly doubtful.
It has never been established that the Sage was speaking from divination. My theory is that he was speaking from personal first hand experience.

Again you are making a categorical error by comparing the situation of the Uzumakis to the warring clans, which I have already said, they were completely apathetic to the war and bloodshed even during the First Shinobi World War.

Well, we will have to agree to disagree.

 

[Tebows Youth Group]

The apathy and isolation comments your made would contradict the "savagery" you stated in your next quote. If they had intended to isolate themselves out of apathy, it really doesn't make sense to develop these techniques, right? I mean why develop power you don't care use? Your not worried about attack and your already logistically safe from harm.

I don't think its contradictory at all. I think the purpose of Kushina's statements was to say that they "can" fight. I don't believe they go out and seek wars, as was also stated by Kushina, but that just because they are passive, does not mean they cant defend themselves. Much like the peaceful monk trains his whole life in the ways of close combat and martial arts. Peaceful, yes, but get into a fight with him, and he'll have no problem beating you...

EDIT: You know, I looked back through the manga and I can't seem to find any pages where Kushina says they were "savage." All I found was her stating that their sealing methods were somewhat "harsh". I only looked in the chapters of her and Naruto talking after the Kyuubi fight... so I don't know, I can't say for sure what the correct wording is..

 

[Gyakusetsu]

I don't think its contradictory at all. I think the purpose of Kushina's statements was to say that they "can" fight. I don't believe they go out and seek wars, as was also stated by Kushina, but that just because they are passive, does not mean they cant defend themselves. Much like the peaceful monk trains his whole life in the ways of close combat and martial arts. Peaceful, yes, but get into a fight with him, and he'll have no problem beating you...

I understand but that's not how he is describing it. Savagery is highest form of aggression and apathy would be contradictory.

It also ignores the fact that even if they were "not so nice" Rikudou's path was to follow peace. He would not have wished harm upon them. This calls into question his oracular abilities. You can extend that into the elder/younger son selection scenarios as well for that matter

 

[Tebows Youth Group]

I understand but that's not how he is describing it. Savagery is highest form of aggression and apathy would be contradictory.

Honestly, I don't know why Derp used the word "savage." I still am unable to find it. I think what the author was trying to say is that while they are peaceful, avoiding war, they are also cold and calculating saying that their sealing jutsus were "harsh".

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Savage does not necessarily imply aggression rather it implies ancientness and primitiveness in a historical context, and in context to the particular panel, it was referring to their Fūinjutsu meaning the origin of their Fūinjutsu is very ancient.

 

[Tebows Youth Group]

Savagery does not necessarily imply aggression rather it implies ancientness and primitiveness in a historical context, and in context to the particular panel, it was referring to their Fūinjutsu meaning the origin of their Fūinjutsu is very ancient.

Where does she that? I know you get VIZ..is that where youre getting that wording?

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Where does she that? I know you get VIZ..is that where youre getting that wording?

Yes the wording is the Viz translation.

Anyways it cannot be contested that all Uzumaki Fūinjutsus are Rikūdo's Jutsus since Rikūdo's Tablet (Uchiha Tablet) was needed to unseal to the Shiki Fūjin

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Let me give you an example, the Sumerians to us are known as Savages because of their ancientness and primitiveness, but the Sumerians were not the bloodlusted warmongers that others picture them to be, quite the contrary, they are what you call "Noble Savages" because despite their ancient and primitive origin, they were the ones who invented the wheel and the earliest form of writing along with other contributions.

 

[Tebows Youth Group]

Let me give you an example, the Sumerians to us are known as Savages because of their ancientness and primitiveness, but the Sumerians were not the bloodlusted warmongers that others picture them to be, quite the contrary, they are what you call "Noble Savages" because despite their ancient and primitive origin, they were the ones who invented the wheel and the earliest form of writing along with other contributions.

Let me make this clear before I continue...I certainly agree with what you are saying. But "savage" is a hard work to shake off. Its possible she meant what you are saying, but I think the point she was making is that their techniques are a bit more brutal and cold than other clans. It seems she was focused more on the "way" they do things rather then their actual nature. So, to me, it doesn't really matter what exactly she said. "Brutal", "harsh", "savage", whatever she used was only directed towards the clans techniques...not the clan itself. At least that's how it read to me...

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Let me make this clear before I continue...I certainly agree with what you are saying. But "savage" is a hard work to shake off. Its possible she meant what you are saying, but I think the point she was making is that their techniques are a bit more brutal and cold than other clans. It seems she was focused more on the "way" they do things rather then their actual nature. So, to me, it doesn't really matter what exactly she said. "Brutal", "harsh", "savage", whatever she used was only directed towards the clans techniques...not the clan itself. At least that's how it read to me...

In context it means primitive/ancient/rough so the translation of Manga Panda is faithful to the intended meaning of the word Savage in reference to their Fūinjutsus

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[Tebows Youth Group]

Ohhh...I see the point you're trying to make now. By saying this, she has now given us a hint at the age of the Uzumaki's techniques. Like saying that they are a bit raw and to the point; "old fashioned" if you will. Leading us to the conclusion that they came before the modern day techniques....very nice.

It also ignores the fact that even if they were "not so nice" Rikudou's path was to follow peace. He would not have wished harm upon them. This calls into question his oracular abilities. You can extend that into the elder/younger son selection scenarios as well for that matter

I'm not sure what you mean here. Wished harm upon who?