One Shot Genjutsu yeahhh

[Οdin]

I know this whole genjutsu thing was getting out of hand, but I just have to clarify something.

The databook clearly states that Magen: Gama Rinshō is the most powerful genjutsu:

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The manga(scanlation) states that Kotoamatsukami is one of the most powerful eye etchniques:

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But then it states that Shisui's eyes create create the most powerful genjutsu:

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It looks like Magen: Gama Rinshō is the most powerful genjutsu in the series, but Shisui's genjutsu is the most powerful eye genjutsu. There's a difference between being called the most powerful genjutsu(databook fact), and being called the most powerful eye genjutsu(scanlation).

Here you can read about the strongest known genjutsu:

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[Kira was Righteous]

Itachi's tsukuyomi lasts for a second, even if it was easily breakable (which it isn't as Itachi stated) you will not react quickly enough to break it anyway before it has its effect. Danzo even stated Sasuke's genjutsu was inferior as he cannot alter the victim's sense of time, whereas Itachi can making his Tsukuyomi superior and pretty much impossible to break

Read my thread... it seems all the Uchiha fans are coming now as their precious Genjutsu is not as strong as they thought it was

Lets say the worse case scenerio and its casted on someone who cannot break it.The jutsu would put the person in a heap on the floor anyone with a strong/fast technique and a strong will would be able to recover and keep fighting

Maybe that is how Senju members fought Uchiha members using their will of fire hmm

 

[Gooner4life]

Read my thread... it seems all the Uchiha fans are coming now as their precious Genjutsu is not as strong as they thought it was

Lets say the worse case scenerio and its casted on someone who cannot break it.The jutsu would put the person in a heap on the floor anyone with a strong/fast technique and a strong will would be able to recover and keep fighting

Maybe that is how Senju members fought Uchiha members using their will of fire hmm

1. I hate the Uchiha, I think they are pompous idiots that get a meal ticket to being powerful. The only Uchiha I like is Obito.

2. I agree, it probably can be broken but I'm saying that you cannot react quickly enough to break it mid-genjutsu. That is not the same as recovering from it which is probably possible if you have high levels of mental strength but this is only speculation. Tsunade healed the damage done by Tsukuyomi in 30s meaning the damage is not irreversible, but breaking out of KA or Tsukuyomi is near impossible because of the way they work

 

[Madara mhm]

depends how skillful and quick the user is at catching his opponent in the genjutsu.

 

[Helikido]

Regardless we can debate all day long on how it should of been phrased however in the manga it clearly says

My illusionary technique Tsukuyomi cannot be broken

Simple and that means the technique so go ask kishimoto why it says that and not your version of the manga

Dude everyone is disagreeing with you.... Idk but your the only debating you dumb ass. Quit being a bitch and twisting Itachi words and accept the fact...

Not to mention you ignored balze release's post......cuz u have no argument......fail U_U

 

[Kira was Righteous]

Dude everyone is disagreeing with you.... Idk but your the only debating you dumb ass. Quit being a bitch and twisting Itachi words and accept the fact...

Not to mention you ignored balze release's post......cuz u have no argument......fail U_U

Every Uchiha/Genjutsu fanboy is disagreeing with me i actually have more people agreeing with me and about 8 bars of rep for this thread...not that it matters what other people think though

Twisting Itachis words huh im quoting it word for word unlike 'your' side that misquote it to suit your agenda

My Illusion cannot be broken lol

My illusionary technique cannot be broken get it right fanboy you guys should know every word Itachi says off by heart

I never ignored anyones post i guess i forgot to quote it oh well let me do that now.

 

[PureSkillz]

So the whole point is that KA and Tsukuyomi can be broken? Yes with a some sort of assistance. Without assistance? Not so much.

And Itachi was talking about his own Tsukuyomi. Simply because of the fact his has never been broken except by Sasuke, and Bee was able to break Sasuke's version.


Compare it to Rasengan.

Naruto and Jiraya's standard Rasengan is the size of a baseball.

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Konohamaru's is half as big

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And Minato's is roughly the size of the Giant Rasengan

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Now if Minato says his Rasengan can hollow a mountain, does that hold true for Naruto and Konohamaru? No. Because Minato's version is stronger.

Now if he said the Rasengan can hollow a mountain, that should be true for anyone capable of using the technique.

 

[Owarij]

Now if Minato says his Rasengan can hollow a mountain, does that hold true for Naruto and Konohamaru? No. Because Minato's version is stronger.

Now if he said the Rasengan can hollow a mountain, that should be true for anyone capable of using the technique.

Bro, he's an idiot, stop trying

I already used examples to show him how idiotic he was being, still , no use, give it up , stop posting in this retarded troll thread

 

[iSpeak]

Every Uchiha/Genjutsu fanboy is disagreeing with me i actually have more people agreeing with me and about 8 bars of rep for this thread...not that it matters what other people think though

Twisting Itachis words huh im quoting it word for word unlike 'your' side that misquote it to suit your agenda

My Illusion cannot be broken lol

My illusionary technique cannot be broken get it right fanboy you guys should know every word Itachi says off by heart

I never ignored anyones post i guess i forgot to quote it oh well let me do that now.

I understand what you are saying, it depends on wether you interpret "my" as him having it, or "my" as his own unique version.
Since the focus of the conversation was how quick the genjutsu lasted and him being able to manipulate time inside the genjutsu (only Itachi has been shown able to do this) shows that he was more than likely referring to his own version of Tsukuyomi. Him saying "Only a Sharingan user with the same blood as me can defeat me" further backs it up he was talking about himself only.
Itachi's Tsukuyomi is instant in the real world, so the only way to counter it is inside the illusion itself (Only the Sharingan has been shown able to reverse a genjutsu from within the genjutsu as far as I can remember) which is why Itachi say's only a Sharingan user can break it. The tailed beast wouldn't be able to do anything because the jutsu isn't effecting their brain, so he is still seeing the real world through Killer Bee's eyes. Meaning he wouldn't have enough time to break the genjutsu.
If you are caught in it then there is little hope, but there are still ways to avoid it.

 

[Kira was Righteous]

So the whole point is that KA and Tsukuyomi can be broken? Yes with a some sort of assistance. Without assistance? Not so much.

And Itachi was talking about his own Tsukuyomi. Simply because of the fact his has never been broken except by Sasuke, and Bee was able to break Sasuke's version.


Compare it to Rasengan.

Naruto and Jiraya's standard Rasengan is the size of a baseball.

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Konohamaru's is half as big

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And Minato's is roughly the size of the Giant Rasengan

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Now if Minato says his Rasengan can hollow a mountain, does that hold true for Naruto and Konohamaru? No. Because Minato's version is stronger.

Now if he said the Rasengan can hollow a mountain, that should be true for anyone capable of using the technique.

You can argue you as much as you want what you think Itachi was saying but he refered to the technique Tsukuyomi and thats all.If the technique as a whole was broken and Itachi said it couldnt that meant he was wrong.Comparrisons of skill mean nothing in this debate as its more about the technique rather then skill level

I understand what you are saying, it depends on wether you interpret "my" as him having it, or "my" as his own unique version.
Since the focus of the conversation was how quick the genjutsu lasted and him being able to manipulate time inside the genjutsu (only Itachi has been shown able to do this) shows that he was more than likely referring to his own version of Tsukuyomi. Him saying "Only a Sharingan user with the same blood as me can defeat me" further backs it up he was talking about himself only.
Itachi's Tsukuyomi is instant in the real world, so the only way to counter it is inside the illusion itself (Only the Sharingan has been shown able to reverse a genjutsu from within the genjutsu as far as I can remember) which is why Itachi say's only a Sharingan user can break it. The tailed beast wouldn't be able to do anything because the jutsu isn't effecting their brain, so he is still seeing the real world through Killer Bee's eyes. Meaning he wouldn't have enough time to break the genjutsu.
If you are caught in it then there is little hope, but there are still ways to avoid it.

Yeah well at least your using logic but like i said My illusion technique Tsukuyomi cannot be broken means the technique.Tsukuyomi was broken by bee probably Itachis will take longer to break however all Genjutsu can be broken and thats the point im trying to make.

Worst case scenerio of Tsukuyomi as well if someone cannot break it is being mentally totured which anyone with great mental strength could survive and carry on fighting

KA is obviously more dangerous if your caught and your not aware of it anything could happen

 

[iSpeak]

Yeah well at least your using logic but like i said My illusion technique Tsukuyomi cannot be broken means the technique.Tsukuyomi was broken by bee probably Itachis will take longer to break however all Genjutsu can be broken and thats the point im trying to make.

Worst case scenerio of Tsukuyomi as well if someone cannot break it is being mentally totured which anyone with great mental strength could survive and carry on fighting

KA is obviously more dangerous if your caught and your not aware of it anything could happen

Even if we take your meaning, I have already explained above why a perfect Jinjuriki wouldn't be able to break Itachi's Tsukuyomi. But do you understand that it still depends on how you interpret the word "my"? For example, if Mike Tyson says "My Peak-a-boo fighting style is unbeatable", this is obviously in reference to him only and not other boxers who are only just learning the tecnique or havn't fully mastered it. Same could be said in Itachi's case. Sasuke hasn't mastered Tsukuyomi as well as Itachi has.

 

[toviasrepier]

And Ao didnt battle Shisui

HE DID

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[Kira was Righteous]

Even if we take your meaning, I have already explained above why a perfect Jinjuriki wouldn't be able to break Itachi's Tsukuyomi. But do you understand that it still depends on how you interpret the word "my"? For example, if Mike Tyson says "My Peak-a-boo fighting style is unbeatable", this is obviously in reference to him only and not other boxers who are only just learning the tecnique or havn't fully mastered it. Same could be said in Itachi's case. Sasuke hasn't mastered Tsukuyomi as well as Itachi has.

If he said My illusionary peek a boo technique cannot be beaten and someone used the exact same style but weaker and beat it.It would make the technique as a whole beatable because Mike said the technique not the person.

Experience isnt a issue here its the technique and theres only one meaning in the manga not multiple meanings.He said his illusionary technique Tsukuyomi could not be beaten and it was but there's no point arguing about this

I wont be responding to this point again ive done it enough

 

[Bogard]

I think genjutsu is a dangerous art as well but not like people think it is. If it was that unavoidable, Madara would have done it already almost everytime in his fight against Kage. He could have use it against Onoki also. But the problem is that Onoki knows how to fight Sharingan. There are methods you can use to fight against sharingan genjutsus(like Gai also), but that's what others refuse to accept and always think that genjutsu is unavoidable

 

[toviasrepier]

Sigh, Complete idiocy.... How will a sensor be able to tell if he's using ka? Most people don't even know about it, And even if they did, they can't counter it because they would have already been controlled without their knowledge..

AO sensed it & how did he knew about it anyway?

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Only a retard will see Itachi say , MY tsukyomi, and not THE illusion tsukyomi, and say he's talking about the technique overall, Even kakashi states, HIS tsukyomi, happens in an instant, thus there are no cancellation effects





Jesus christ, are you retarded?
Itachi right after says the only person capable of beating it is someone with his blood

Danzo canceled it out Itachi is wrong at 1 point yes Itachi's better but it is still Tsukyomi and it got canceled so it is already proven that this jutsu can be cancelled.

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[-Logic-]

Itachi already stated that his Tsukuyomi cannot be broken, unless you have a Sharingan and possess the same blood as the caster. Therefore, the only person to break it is Sasuke. Simple. Fact. Nagato cannot break Tsukuyomi for shit. Sure Killer Bee broke Sasuke's version but that's not what this is about. IF you're talking about Tsukuyomi in general then yes, it can be broken, if you're talking about Itachi's then it can't be broken unless you have the requirements I've already stated above.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

You got me, highlighted part made me lol

Counter points? lmao.
Meh all i see is a fuming nagato fan.

Just to piss you off some more;

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that pic was from shinobi x LOL

 

[Dark Artist]

Im going to tell you the truth about yourself

You think your really smart(which is sad) but your not at all .You want to tell me where my failures are? I really want to see your counters to these points

Anyway just to reiterate your not smart at all so stop acting all condescending

100% agree

this guy is just ANOTHER FANBOY so his opinion is not important lol

 

[Stark]

KA is a broken jutsu, it will never be explained.

 

[Arcaneos510X]

Yeah dont get me wrong Genjutsu is a great tool but it is not unbreakable by high level ninjas no matter what Genjutsu it is.I guess thats the main point im trying to get through



Well your wrong im calm and stuff like that doesn't bother me because the moment Kabuto realised Itachi wasn't a edo zombie and sent Nagato after him.Itachi was the one asking for help because hes smart.

Your also not funny either

presiclesy my point indeed