One question for Itachi fans

[Conspirator.]

Average IQ is below 30, I'm not counting the troll threads. Most of the arguments here are terrible

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[ComplexCity]

I read somewhere that the Yata Mirror's blocking ability could "theoretically" reflect all attacks. Things like rasenshuriken + variants, kirin, yasaka magatama, susanno arrows, susano sword attacks, bijudama, bijudama rasenshuriken, particle style of Mu and Onohki etc etc being some of the strongest attacks in the Naruto Verse. I doubt Yata can tank all of them neg diff. The impact of kirin flattened Itachi and burned off his cloak. Susanno may only provide so much protection from high tier attacks.

The bold is what yata is... theoretical

IQ tests should be compulsory before new members register.

It is, they ask you who the main character of the series is. You can't join without knowing the answer

 

[Narutofan4203]

IQ tests should be compulsory before new members register.

I bet 80% of the users on this websites do not even know what the word "intelligence" means.

 

[Waltz]

I don't have a scan, but it's been shown Superman moving earth and grasping black holes with his bare hands (I've seen scans and don't feel like looking for them.) Supes hype is backed with feats. Sadly, Yata is not

Hmmm, perhaps I should phrase it another way: How are you certain that Superman's punch succeeds Yata's defensive abilities?

I'll remain in context within the Naruto Manga since it is the targeted issue. What your saying is fallacious and is no different to:

"Sharingan contest: Kaguya vs Itachi"

Kaguya was hyped by Hagoromo to have the Sharingan's power yet she lacks feats to validate this. Itachi has shown much more with the Sharingan (Susano'o ect); therefore he must be the better Sharingan user of the two.

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...there's nothing else of interest here. ​

 

[ComplexCity]

Hmmm, perhaps I should phrase it another way: How are you certain that Superman's punch succeeds Yata's defensive abilities?

I'll remain in context within the Naruto Manga since it is the targeted issue. What your saying is fallacious and is no different to:

"Sharingan contest: Kaguya vs Itachi"

Kaguya was hyped by Hagoromo to have the Sharingan's power yet she lacks feats to validate this. Itachi has shown much more with the Sharingan (Susano'o ect); therefore he must be the better Sharingan user of the two. ​

Show me manga scans of Yata blocking anything greater than Kunai explosives

 

[Narutofan4203]

Hmmm, perhaps I should phrase it another way: How are you certain that Superman's punch succeeds Yata's defensive abilities?

I'll remain in context within the Naruto Manga since it is the targeted issue. What your saying is fallacious and is no different to:

"Sharingan contest: Kaguya vs Itachi"

Kaguya was hyped by Hagoromo to have the Sharingan's power yet she lacks feats to validate this. Itachi has shown much more with the Sharingan (Susano'o ect); therefore he must be the better Sharingan user of the two. ​

Kid.. everyone has left the thread but me. And you still aren't responding to me. Why? It's because you're scared. Simple as that. How am I certain superman's punch exceeds yata's defenses?

1. No feats have been shown of it being indestructible.
2. All it has shown is blocking/reflecting two multi-city block to town level attacks.
3. Superman, depending on the incarnation, can be Planet level striking strength to Star level striking strength.

Class XJ: Tenajoule class. Attacks carry zetatons of energy. Characters in this category can usually physically bust planets.

10^32J x2

If megaton = 4.184 x 10^15 joules x = what it takes to destroy the earth

End all?

53 quadrillion megatons!

Tsar bomba.. the strongest created nuke? Ding! 50 megatons!

And itachi can tank this? What yata mirror deflected wasn't even at that level? And you assume it to that level due to the fact it has the hype, stated by the author, and was shown no limit? I'll post this a million times, even though I'm getting tired of owning ya.

The no limits fallacy is the illogical idea that a poorly understood phenomenon can be extrapolated to infinity or assumed to not have any maximum value or threshold. For a gross example, observing that a shield can easily withstand an attack from a particular weapon, one might illogically conclude that the shield could withstand fire from an unlimited number of those weapons at the same time, or that it could withstand fire from a similar weapon
that was much more powerful.

This is when someone claims that since an authority figure, someone who (apparently) knows a lot about the subject in question, says something, then it must be true.

Example: "Wizard magazine says Goku would beat Superman, so he can".

The person in this example is only basing his argument on what another person or group of people think, other than actually debating the points.

Another one. The kaguya example is irrelevant. Because what you are saying is that because a direct durability has not been shown and it was said (keyword) to he has no set durability and can tank everything, even if not physically shown, shown through feats, just because it was simply stated.

 

[Narutofan4203]

He lost due to debate rule number 3. You ignore feats, instant lose. He also lost with the golden rule. You do not respond, you lose. I've beaten so many users on this website with my alts with that.. Lol.

 

[End of Days]

this thread and the posts lmfao!

 

[Sasori]

Yata mirror should be able to block.

 

[lanakui8]

yaata mirror was stated to

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. Yet that statement was falsified when it failed to turn back

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as the snake heads slam against it like it would against any normal shield.

Superman shatters yaata and itachi before itachi knows what's going on.

 

[Torche]

Anime > Cartoon, Manga > Comic, Yata = Unbreakable, Unbreakable > Superman. U_U

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

Real answer is we don't know and you don't know

 

[Autism]

You're contradicting yourself (reality is, you're biased) :

Okay, yeah, you got me there. But here's the thing: a general rule is that a claim is made that is completely out of league for anything shown in the verse, ergo. Itachi being able to reflect all attacks (your backing is that it was accepted, but there are no feats of it blocking anything past Multi-city block level+ attacks, nothing planet level), in itachi's verse where the strongest characters are small planet level at most, it's likely a hyperbole. Now, for DC, it's pretty much acceptable the Tesseract/Cosmic Cube is/are indestructible, because DC has cosmic reality warping, a possible omnipotent, several multiversal nigh-omnipotents, etc. Naruto? Doesn't stand up to this. Sorry for not explaining this before.

Still failing to realize is that what is written about Yata-no-Kagami is the truth and history of the Shield and It's properties, not legend, folklore or here-say. :

Has it ever blocked or altered it's properties to block a planet level attack before? Or a country level attack? Star level. No. You cannot prove this, it's the no-limits-fallacy, extrapolated to infinity or no maximum value or threshold. Even if it is it's folklore, there's no evidence it can alter it's properties to these insane levels, it's merely hype and it hasn't been discredited because it hasn't survived attacks like it before. What I am saying is you can say it's indestructible using the hype, but it is very logical in a multiversal debate to say it is not.

Apparently, you can't read as well . The no limits fallacy is based on " a poorly understood phenomenon " which is then extrapolated upon. Yata-no-Kagami cannot be applicable since the action of it negating attacks (the phenomenon) is already understood as it's history and function is to negate all attacks----being the purpose of it's existence.:

It's poorly misunderstood outside of the verse is what I consider it as. It's a hyperbole for it to tank a galaxy being thrown at, or even a planet level punch from superman. Outside of the verse (in our verse), it's understood as it can "turn back all attacks", which is extrapolated to infinity and with no threshold. If it's only been shown turning back 2 multi-city block level attacks, it's pretty poorly misunderstood that it can turn back planet and galaxy level attacks when the verse doesn't even reach that level of strength. I shouldn't have used that explanation, rather the OBD definition.

you're saying that since the hyped-indestructible Cosmic cube hasn't endured a galaxy level blast and has been hyped indestructible by the author, then superman's sneeze would destroy it.:

Explained above. It can be logically assumed due to the vast cosmic strength of DC, but naruto's Yata Mirror cannot be hyped to no maximum threshold from the two attacks it has blocked in the series and the hype it has had "on earth", the hype made "by earthlings". Especially when the verse is small planet level at most with Kaguya and So6p, because he created the moon casually and that would exert several exatons etc etc.

Furthermore: You say it's already understood and established, right? Then why were you calling it hype, just earlier? Tell me, what force in naruto would give it the hype of blocking all astral, physical etc attacks? Meteors? What? What would give it this capability?

Also:
I view the no limits fallacy as an idea or hype that has been stated, and because it was shown, with no applicable logic people will say it indeed holds no limits or is expanded to having no limits, like how yata mirror in it's history could have never been put up against a planet or galaxy level attack, even country or continent level going by the naruto verse or everything physical like an entire meteor striking earth, or anything of the sort for yata, and how the strongest the verse has demonstrated being small planet level via Kaguya and So6p, yet the yata mirror is a part OF the verse and it exceeds it to such levels.

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

No. Yata mirror is unbreakable i think.

based on what?
oh right nothing proves that. its just ridiculous hype spewed out by a fallble character recounting mere legend

You didn't say that superman can't rewind time and go back to before itachi can activate his susanoo.... If he can't do that, then yes, yata mirror blocks it

based on nothing excpet lies. it cant block it because its shown nothing anywhere near supermans level.
you have absoltuely no hard evidence it blocks ANYTHING.

Yet you haven't provided any canonical material discrediting Yata's capabilities which were supported by both the Manga and Databook sides personal feeling and conjecture. Essentially, you're just in denial.

the manga and databook support nothing.
the manga had a character recounting a mythical legend he heard once. he wasnt sure.
the databook has a bunch of absurd bullshit and declares nearly every defensive jutsu to be "invincible shield that blocks anything".
how can you debate something where all you need to prove your point is absurd claims made by minor characters and a databook that contradicts itself?

the biggest evidence that yatas hype was a lie is how itachi behaves and fights.
did he go up to akatsuki and raise his unbeatable shield, while stabbing them with an unbeatable sword?
decidedly not. the only reason why he would not do so is its not as strong as black zetsus saying.

: How are you certain that Superman's punch succeeds Yata's defensive abilities?

superman has 70 years of impressive punches. yata has no durability feats that impress me. at best its city block level. supermans finger snaps it in half like a twig.
its not supes that needs to prove he can break yata. its you who needs to prove yata stops supes.