[Discussion] One Piece Top 20?

[24 12 11 to troll]

It may be true but he is strong/famous enough to earn WB's respect...

This is a joke Bro, Thire battles were said to shank the whole GL...I haven't seen Luffy or anyone of Luffy's caliber fighting on that scale

Defeating Lucci shook the system up. Defeating Crocodile shook the world. Defeating Moria would've shaken the world if news got out of Luffys victory, punching Charlos shook the world.Escaping Impel down shook the world, Luffy's performance in MF shook the world of fear because of the potential he demonstrated.

You always take things so literally. They can mean that it shocked people. Simple analogy and concept which is not hard to grasp. Shanks will have grown through 12 years of Haki training etc. since he lost his arm anyways. Highly doubt an ex Cabin Boy and recently Captain from the East Blue was the second or third strongest living man with or without his arm.

 

[Avinash012]

Defeating Lucci shook the system up. Defeating Crocodile shook the world. Defeating Moria would've shaken the world if news got out of Luffys victory, punching Charlos shook the world.Escaping Impel down shook the world, Luffy's performance in MF shook the world of fear because of the potential he demonstrated.

You always take things so literally. They can mean that it shocked people. Simple analogy and concept which is not hard to grasp. Shanks will have grown through 12 years of Haki training etc. since he lost his arm anyways. Highly doubt an ex Cabin Boy and recently Captain from the East Blue was the second or third strongest living man with or without his arm.

Iam not good at Twisting words for the sake of my own argument ..lol
It is not Shook it is Shake Lol...U can clearly Observe that they are strong Enough to fight on that level based on that statement...Even people like WB surprised to see Shanks like that ,he can't even think of someone that can damage Shanks like that...WB even said that he is pretty good even as an apprentice(U know how strong Prime WB is right..?)..he is strong as well as Brave Enough to stand B4 WB as an Enemy (Kid Shanks)...

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Iam not good at Twisting words for the sake of my own argument ..lol

I'm not twisting. I'm connotating what has been said.

It is not Shook it is Shake

Shook is past tense for Shake? Since the fights I mentioned happened in the past I'm sure that "Shook" is the appropriate word to use.

Lol...U can clearly Observe that they are strong Enough to fight on that level based on that statement...

Currently yes. But not 12 years ago.

Even people like WB surprised to see Shanks like that ,he can't even think of someone that can damage Shanks like that...WB even said that he is pretty good even as an apprentice(U know how strong Prime WB is right..?)..he is strong as well as Brave Enough to stand B4 WB as an Enemy (Kid Shanks)...

Whitebeards strength does not have any ties to Shanks. They were surprised. I too would be surprised if Shanks was as strong as you somehow believe before he lost his arm. Couldn't he just CoC the King of the Coast from 50m away before diving and saving Luffy.

You seem to think he was stronger than he is now. So he would be similar in speed right? Or was he not fast enough to do what I just said? (Diving in the water and saving Luffy from such a distance so that he doesn't risk his arm.)

 

[Avinash012]

Currently yes. But not 12 years ago.

He had 10y after Rogers death ...any need to remind u about Strewhats improvement in 2Y..

Whitebeards strength does not have any ties to Shanks. They were surprised.

Iam not saying that he is on that level but someone like WB, strongest man besides Roger acknowledged him means that he must be to OP even as a Kid....

I too would be surprised if Shanks was as strong as you somehow believe before he lost his arm. Couldn't he just CoC the King of the Coast from 50m away before diving and saving Luffy.

Plot > Logic...Y didn't WB used COC at MF war..? Plot

Y didn't Grap fought WB..?
PLot

Same goes for Shanks as well & IMO Shanks did it coz Luffy can't Swim at that time since he is a DF user...

You seem to think he was stronger than he is now.

NO

So he would be similar in speed right? Or was he not fast enough to do what I just said? (Diving in the water and saving Luffy from such a distance so that he doesn't risk his arm.)

Once again Plot > Logic

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

He had 10y after Rogers death ...any need to remind u about Strewhats improvement in 2Y..

Yep. But last time I checked 12 is a bigger number than 10.

Iam not saying that he is on that level but someone like WB, strongest man besides Roger acknowledged him means that he must be to OP even as a Kid....

He acknowledged Luffy aswell. Luffy wasn't OP. This whole debate is about whether Shanks was stronger before he lost his arm or currently. You clearly didn't even know what you're debating with me about.

Plot > Logic...Y didn't WB used COC at MF war..? Plot

Plot incorporates Logic. Neither is greater.

Y didn't Grap fought WB..?
PLot

The fact you call Garp "Grap" means I'm debating with an idiot who doesn't even know what he's debating with me about... How low have I fallen?

Same goes for Shanks as well & IMO Shanks did it coz Luffy can't Swim at that time since he is a DF user...

Correct. Do you fail to see my point? IF SHANKS WAS STRONGER THEN THAN NOW THEN HE WOULD MINIMALLY BE SO FAST AS TO TRAVEL HUNDREDS OF METRES FROM HIS SHIP IN THE BLINK OF AN EYE TO SAVE COBY. SO HE COULD EASILY SAVE LUFFY ANYWAYS. BUT BECAUSE HE HAD TO DITCH HIS ARM IT'S CLEAR HE WAS NOT SKILLED IN HAOSHOKU HAKI AND ONLY JUST LEARNING HOW TO USE IT(AND THEREFORE LEARNING THE BASICS OF HAKI IN GENERAL). THEREFORE HE WAS WEAKER. NUFF SAID. SIMPLE. NOT HARD TO UNDERSTAND.

Once again Plot > Logic

How is this relevant?

 

[Kuzan]

The fact you call Garp "Grap" means I'm debating with an idiot who doesn't even know what he's debating with me about... How low have I fallen?

He probably just made a typo, dont hate on the guy for a typo.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

He probably just made a typo, dont hate on the guy for a typo.

He's called Garp "Grap" in other threads too. On many occasions and he even gets told that Garp is called Garp.

 

[Avinash012]

He acknowledged Luffy aswell. Luffy wasn't OP. This whole debate is about whether Shanks was stronger before he lost his arm or currently. You clearly didn't even know what you're debating with me about.

Lol I have never mentioned anything about Shanks being Stronger than Current one...Iam talking about his fame & saying that he is strong enough to earn that fame...
U said that he is as strong as Luffy & Iam saying that he is stronger than Luffy (Both hands)

Plot incorporates Logic. Neither is greater.

Then Explain Y WB didn't use COC at MF..?

he is not skilled enough to do that same as Shanks back then..Right..?

The fact you call Garp "Grap" means I'm debating with an idiot who doesn't even know what he's debating with me about... How low have I fallen?

U have no argument so u r using this BS to twist the argument ..U can understand that Iam referring to Garp then Y can't u answer properly.?

Ok now tell me Y didn't Garp fought WB...?

Correct. Do you fail to see my point? IF SHANKS WAS STRONGER THEN THAN NOW THEN HE WOULD MINIMALLY BE SO FAST AS TO TRAVEL HUNDREDS OF METRES FROM HIS SHIP IN THE BLINK OF AN EYE TO SAVE COBY. SO HE COULD EASILY SAVE LUFFY ANYWAYS. BUT BECAUSE HE HAD TO DITCH HIS ARM IT'S CLEAR HE WAS NOT SKILLED IN HAOSHOKU HAKI AND ONLY JUST LEARNING HOW TO USE IT(AND THEREFORE LEARNING THE BASICS OF HAKI IN GENERAL). THEREFORE HE WAS WEAKER. NUFF SAID. SIMPLE. NOT HARD TO UNDERSTAND.

I have already told u that it is for the sake of plot...If Shanks didn't do that then it would ruin the whole point of Luffy respecting Shanks that much...

He's called Garp "Grap" in other threads too. On many occasions and he even gets told that Garp is called Garp.

U can understand that Iam referring to Garp... right..?

Iam not familiar with English, not even 2nd Language
Plz try to understand...

He probably just made a typo, dont hate on the guy for a typo.

Sorry My bad ,I usually dont pay much attention to the Names...

Recently learned that Iam using wrong Spl for Garp's Name thanks to Rinne ...But I have been Using the same Spl for a long time ...Guess it'll take some time to Sync my mind with my hand while typing Garp's name..:NO:

Yeah as of now. He just happens to be a shichibukai but he has another title that puts him above that guy.

Lol those titles makes no sense in case of some characters if u ask me ...Garp said that Yonko are the most powerful pirates..By this logic 4 Yonko Should be > Mihawk...Ha ha