[Theory] One Piece Theory : Dressrosa-Poneglyphs-Final Ancient Weapon

[MickNerks]

I like it.. I agree with most of it.

 

[Skylar Knight]

This has to be one of my favourite theories, and fully possible. Many more wacky and unlikely things have happened in One Piece that if told to someone a few years ago would be counted as highly unlikely.

Love it man, great work

Oh, for crying out... even you, Outside? C'mon, you know better than to put this here on top of your list. I was going to enjoy a nice meal, watch a movie, and take a nap, now that I finally have some free time for myself, but now I feel obligated to crush this theory into crumbles... like bread.

Here are some points as to why I personally don't like this theory of yours:

- The dwarves were under slave labor during the Void Century, and did not live on Green Bit. This indicates that the Donquixote family was under control of Green Bit. The Ancient civilization gave Ponyglyphs to their allies, or so we can assume, which means they would not leave one on Green Bit.

- Norland Monblanc did not recongize the Ponyglyph on Jaya, when visiting the Shandorian tribe. This was two years after his voyage to Green Bit. Why wouldn't the Dwarves show Norland, their hero, the Ponyglyph on Green Bit? Certainly they'd show him if they had one.

- The Upper Yard is nothing like Green Bit; there are plant life that are too different from the normal trees on the former half of Jaya. Also, there were neither plants nor trees in the Upper Yard that grew in size, as far as I can tell. If you're talking about the giant beanstalk, Giant Jack, then I'm afraid I have to disappoint you. It wasn't originally from Jaya.

- The title of 'God' wasn't self-proclaimed by Enel, it's Skypiea's title of king. Enel was one of the many rulers who bore this title, but most likely the only one to take it as serious as he did. Calling this a 'hint for the future', or foreshadowing, is rubbish. There've been many characters in the series with the nickname of gods, but that in itself doesn't make them Ancient Weapons.

- You're basically saying that Uranus would be useless without Pluton. Like most logias; Sakazuki, Borsalino, Blackbeard, and perhaps Kuzan, would be able to destroy islands if they so wanted. There are many ways to be creative with your DF abilities, like Enel back in Skypiea. Even Borsalino's beams were put into the Pacifista, robots the Marines have hundreds of now, but such methods doesn't make one a weapon of mass destruction. It's like claiming that Issho (or perhaps his sword) is Uranus, because, aside from his destructive power, he can make things float. Hey, that doesn't sound half bad... uhm, anyway, it's not something I'd prefer.​

I'm really picky when it comes to theories, though. You seem to have spent some time on this, which I appreciate, but nowadays people tend to claim something without actually looking into it. When they actually do look it up, before posting it, most of the times they'd see their wrong, just from a wiki page. Plus I could always be wrong, and you right; who knows. Decent job, though. Most of the times I wouldn't even have cared posting.

 

[Lili-Chwan]

Oh, for crying out... even you, Outside? C'mon, you know better than to put this here on top of your list. I was going to enjoy a nice meal, watch a movie, and take a nap, now that I finally have some free time for myself, but now I feel obligated to crush this theory into crumbles... like bread.

Here are some points as to why I personally don't like this theory of yours:

- The dwarves were under slave labor during the Void Century, and did not live on Green Bit. This indicates that the Donquixote family was under control of Green Bit. The Ancient civilization gave Ponyglyphs to their allies, or so we can assume, which means they would not leave one on Green Bit.​

Why do you say they weren't on Green Bit? Not only that, but you just said that they were under slave labor ( and it is a fact that the slavers were the Donquixote Family, as stated in the Manga ), and then you said that it indicates the Donquixote famility was under control of Green Bit. You basically contradicted yourself, even after inventing your own facts.

Secondly, the Tontatta Kingdom were not part of the Donquixote's Kingdom. For all you know, the fact that they were being mistreated might have been because they were allies with the enemy during the 100 years, and were punished for that as the war took it's course. So they could have received a phoneglyph for being friends, and, in protecting them, they allowed themselves to be punished and enslaved. This speculation has better chances of being real than yours, if anything because it isn't a logical contradiction.

- Norland Monblanc did not recongize the Ponyglyph on Jaya, when visiting the Shandorian tribe. This was two years after his voyage to Green Bit. Why wouldn't the Dwarves show Norland, their hero, the Ponyglyph on Green Bit? Certainly they'd show him if they had one.

You do not know the circumstances of Norland's adventure in the Tontatta Kingdom, though you know it happened before the Shandorian adventure ( because he spoked about a kindgom of dwarves in his stories to the people, which happened before he went on the trip to Shandia ). But we do know Norland wasn't interested in the phoneglyphs. And the blocks weren't even common knowledge, as their study and even mentioning them was outlawed by the World Government. Norland might not have had interest in knowing about them. In Shandia, their true purpose was to protect the stone, but the focus of Norland's story with Calgara was the ringing of the Bell. Even if he did recognize the phoneglyph at it's base, he might not have cared, or Oda might not have focused on it, and, thus, didn't show it.

So, sure, they might have shown it. But Norland didn't seem the type to care about the phoneglyphs.

- The Upper Yard is nothing like Green Bit; there are plant life that are too different from the normal trees on the former half of Jaya. Also, there were neither plants nor trees in the Upper Yard that grew in size, as far as I can tell. If you're talking about the giant beanstalk, Giant Jack, then I'm afraid I have to disappoint you. It wasn't originally from Jaya.

Upper Yard came directly from Jaya, and stood in the same climate ( somewhat ) as Jaya. In this theory, while Green Bit came from Jaya's missing eye, it ended up near Dressrosa. It's a completely different climate and it's already been shown that Dressrosa is rich in flowers, having as far as a whole field of sunflowers. But one thing that I do find hard to explain is, not just the difference in location, so far from each other, but the growth itself.

Green bit existed before Shandia was shot to the sky, if we agree that the Tontatta lived near the Donquixote's Dressrosa in Green Bit, 900 years ago. But the excessive plant growth was not because of the land, but because of Island and Ocean Cloud nurturing composition. So I believe the plant growth ( after reading this theory ) came from the same nutrient that created the denser clouds, which was said to be the same mineral that composes Sea Stone. So, maybe Green Bit came from the sky, after Jaya's eye was thrown into it, and then drifted, or maybe Green Bit is on top of a Sea Stone volcanic hotspot, where the minerals that would form sea Stone are being infused into the land itself, prompting the growth.

I like that theory.

Regardless, I'd like to keep on shaming you, as you tried this hard working guy. So, once again, you're wrong. Upper Yard did have plants and trees that grew in size, it was the first observation Nami did when she arrived at the shores of Upper Yard, and was noted throughout the arc as the Straw Hats were exploring the island. Everything looked like Jaya's forest except bigger and wilder. The Bean Stalk didn't come from Upper Yard, as it was already there, but it's growth was also due to the same reason as Upper Yard's plant life. So you might want to check your facts again.

- The title of 'God' wasn't self-proclaimed by Enel, it's Skypiea's title of king. Enel was one of the many rulers who bore this title, but most likely the only one to take it as serious as he did. Calling this a 'hint for the future', or foreshadowing, is rubbish. There've been many characters in the series with the nickname of gods, but that in itself doesn't make them Ancient Weapons.

Why is it rubbish? First of all, the title came from somewhere. All the guy did was link it with the Ancient History, which could very well be true. You don't seem to realize that Oda doesn't do random as often as you might initially think, and the whole God / Ruler topic was big enough to warrant a step back and a more deeper reflection. And on top of all the in game clues that Oda may or may not have dropped in the story already, there's also metagaming foreshadowing, where the author writes some clues not into the story itself, in character, but also through the choice of words in the writing, it's a common occurrence in novels and could just as well happen in something as deep as Oda's work.

His speculation is just as fitting as yours, except he made a thread about it and you made an angry post. Opinion wise, neither one is rubbish, exposition wise, only yours is.

- You're basically saying that Uranus would be useless without Pluton. Like most logias; Sakazuki, Borsalino, Blackbeard, and perhaps Kuzan, would be able to destroy islands if they so wanted. There are many ways to be creative with your DF abilities, like Enel back in Skypiea. Even Borsalino's beams were put into the Pacifista, robots the Marines have hundreds of now, but such methods doesn't make one a weapon of mass destruction. It's like claiming that Issho (or perhaps his sword) is Uranus, because, aside from his destructive power, he can make things float. Hey, that doesn't sound half bad... uhm, anyway, it's not something I'd prefer.

I'm really picky when it comes to theories, though. You seem to have spent some time on this, which I appreciate, but nowadays people tend to claim something without actually looking into it. When they actually do look it up, before posting it, most of the times they'd see their wrong, just from a wiki page. Plus I could always be wrong, and you right; who knows. Decent job, though. Most of the times I wouldn't even have cared posting.

His theory was that Uranus controlled Logia. He believed the most powerful and fitting is Goro Goro, so he started to link with that one alone. But he started by speculating that Uranus controlled the elements. I like that concept better than Uranus controlling the weather, having it control "Elements" is much more ominious, and the idea that maybe Uranus can take over elemental fruits is quite interesting. While I agree that all weapons should, on their own, be able to mass destruction, I don't think having them work together would be such a far-fetched thing. There must be some other connection other than just inherent individual threat between the three weapons, or else they wouldn't be the trio of god weapons. And it is safe to assume that the type of mass destruction that the World Government is so worried about is superior than the power of any DF user, Logia or not, seeing as they once had 3 Admirals with formidable Logia.

So, once again, you're far too worried about dissing the poor guy than you are making sure your counter-arguments make any sense. For someone so picky about theories, you don't seem to be that picky in your attempts to refute them. Were I in a worse mood I'd simple dismiss you as a troll. But I think the kind of effort and refreshing ideas that this thread threw out warranted a little better response on my part.​

 

[WhistleBlower]

I disagree on some parts and agree on others.

 

[Uchiha Samater]

Why do you say they weren't on Green Bit? Not only that, but you just said that they were under slave labor ( and it is a fact that the slavers were the Donquixote Family, as stated in the Manga ), and then you said that it indicates the Donquixote famility was under control of Green Bit. You basically contradicted yourself, even after inventing your own facts.

Secondly, the Tontatta Kingdom were not part of the Donquixote's Kingdom. For all you know, the fact that they were being mistreated might have been because they were allies with the enemy during the 100 years, and were punished for that as the war took it's course. So they could have received a phoneglyph for being friends, and, in protecting them, they allowed themselves to be punished and enslaved. This speculation has better chances of being real than yours, if anything because it isn't a logical contradiction.



You do not know the circumstances of Norland's adventure in the Tontatta Kingdom, though you know it happened before the Shandorian adventure ( because he spoked about a kindgom of dwarves in his stories to the people, which happened before he went on the trip to Shandia ). But we do know Norland wasn't interested in the phoneglyphs. And the blocks weren't even common knowledge, as their study and even mentioning them was outlawed by the World Government. Norland might not have had interest in knowing about them. In Shandia, their true purpose was to protect the stone, but the focus of Norland's story with Calgara was the ringing of the Bell. Even if he did recognize the phoneglyph at it's base, he might not have cared, or Oda might not have focused on it, and, thus, didn't show it.

So, sure, they might have shown it. But Norland didn't seem the type to care about the phoneglyphs.



Upper Yard came directly from Jaya, and stood in the same climate ( somewhat ) as Jaya. In this theory, while Green Bit came from Jaya's missing eye, it ended up near Dressrosa. It's a completely different climate and it's already been shown that Dressrosa is rich in flowers, having as far as a whole field of sunflowers. But one thing that I do find hard to explain is, not just the difference in location, so far from each other, but the growth itself.

Green bit existed before Shandia was shot to the sky, if we agree that the Tontatta lived near the Donquixote's Dressrosa in Green Bit, 900 years ago. But the excessive plant growth was not because of the land, but because of Island and Ocean Cloud nurturing composition. So I believe the plant growth ( after reading this theory ) came from the same nutrient that created the denser clouds, which was said to be the same mineral that composes Sea Stone. So, maybe Green Bit came from the sky, after Jaya's eye was thrown into it, and then drifted, or maybe Green Bit is on top of a Sea Stone volcanic hotspot, where the minerals that would form sea Stone are being infused into the land itself, prompting the growth.

I like that theory.

Regardless, I'd like to keep on shaming you, as you tried this hard working guy. So, once again, you're wrong. Upper Yard did have plants and trees that grew in size, it was the first observation Nami did when she arrived at the shores of Upper Yard, and was noted throughout the arc as the Straw Hats were exploring the island. Everything looked like Jaya's forest except bigger and wilder. The Bean Stalk didn't come from Upper Yard, as it was already there, but it's growth was also due to the same reason as Upper Yard's plant life. So you might want to check your facts again.



Why is it rubbish? First of all, the title came from somewhere. All the guy did was link it with the Ancient History, which could very well be true. You don't seem to realize that Oda doesn't do random as often as you might initially think, and the whole God / Ruler topic was big enough to warrant a step back and a more deeper reflection. And on top of all the in game clues that Oda may or may not have dropped in the story already, there's also metagaming foreshadowing, where the author writes some clues not into the story itself, in character, but also through the choice of words in the writing, it's a common occurrence in novels and could just as well happen in something as deep as Oda's work.

His speculation is just as fitting as yours, except he made a thread about it and you made an angry post. Opinion wise, neither one is rubbish, exposition wise, only yours is.



His theory was that Uranus controlled Logia. He believed the most powerful and fitting is Goro Goro, so he started to link with that one alone. But he started by speculating that Uranus controlled the elements. I like that concept better than Uranus controlling the weather, having it control "Elements" is much more ominious, and the idea that maybe Uranus can take over elemental fruits is quite interesting. While I agree that all weapons should, on their own, be able to mass destruction, I don't think having them work together would be such a far-fetched thing. There must be some other connection other than just inherent individual threat between the three weapons, or else they wouldn't be the trio of god weapons. And it is safe to assume that the type of mass destruction that the World Government is so worried about is superior than the power of any DF user, Logia or not, seeing as they once had 3 Admirals with formidable Logia.

So, once again, you're far too worried about dissing the poor guy than you are making sure your counter-arguments make any sense. For someone so picky about theories, you don't seem to be that picky in your attempts to refute them. Were I in a worse mood I'd simple dismiss you as a troll. But I think the kind of effort and refreshing ideas that this thread threw out warranted a little better response on my part.

lol thanks for responding, for me but at the same time, his opinions are more than entitled and help me bounce back my ideas


now Skylar, as i did mention this is all my own opinion and not fact until oda proves or disproves, either way is fine with me

Mr.O already addressed my answers so hope that makes it clearer

thanks guys

 

[Uchiha Samater]

I disagree on some parts and agree on others.

Thanks for reading bro

 

[Angelic.]

i woulsnt be surprised if there is a poneglyph, there are a lot of similiarities between alabasta, jaya, and dressrosa arcs.

 

[Skylar Knight]

Why do you say they weren't on Green Bit? Not only that, but you just said that they were under slave labor ( and it is a fact that the slavers were the Donquixote Family, as stated in the Manga ), and then you said that it indicates the Donquixote famility was under control of Green Bit. You basically contradicted yourself, even after inventing your own facts.

I don't really see how I contradicted myself here? The dwarves were under slave labor, so I assume they were either sent over to Dressrosa, which is the most logical conclusion, or stayed on Green Bit as slaves (in factories or farms). I don't really see what kind of labor they'd have to do on Green Bit, to be honest, even though there's probably plenty, so I disregarded this. This assumption means that Green Bit was free to take, which, again, indicates that the Donquixote took over the island. Note the word 'indicates'. I did not state it as a fact.

Secondly, the Tontatta Kingdom were not part of the Donquixote's Kingdom. For all you know, the fact that they were being mistreated might have been because they were allies with the enemy during the 100 years, and were punished for that as the war took it's course. So they could have received a phoneglyph for being friends, and, in protecting them, they allowed themselves to be punished and enslaved. This speculation has better chances of being real than yours, if anything because it isn't a logical contradiction.

No, it doesn't have better chances, as their enslavement started long before the Void Century. They weren't friends with the enemies, they were simply tricked. The Donquixote Family proposed a treaty in which they would provide shelter and resources in exchange for manual labor. I did a little copy and paste there, but oh well. Either way, your speculation is most likely wrong. Contradicting my statement above, they could have been friends with the enemy. However, it's hard to believe as they were already under slave labor by the time of the Void Century.

You do not know the circumstances of Norland's adventure in the Tontatta Kingdom, though you know it happened before the Shandorian adventure ( because he spoked about a kindgom of dwarves in his stories to the people, which happened before he went on the trip to Shandia ). But we do know Norland wasn't interested in the phoneglyphs. And the blocks weren't even common knowledge, as their study and even mentioning them was outlawed by the World Government. Norland might not have had interest in knowing about them. In Shandia, their true purpose was to protect the stone, but the focus of Norland's story with Calgara was the ringing of the Bell. Even if he did recognize the phoneglyph at it's base, he might not have cared, or Oda might not have focused on it, and, thus, didn't show it.

So, sure, they might have shown it. But Norland didn't seem the type to care about the phoneglyphs.

That is a false statement, actually. Norland seemed very interested in the culture of different countries and tribes, and would definitely have noticed the writings on the Ponyglyph. On Jaya, they translated the Ponyglyph for him and pointed out many things of its history, how they were ordered to protect the stone and writings, as you stated. He certainly wasn't stupid, and would have remembered if the Dwarves did the same or something similiar.

However, you are right, I don't know the circumstances of Norland's adventure on Green Bit. The dwarves may not have had time to show him the Ponyglyph, or they simply just forgot about it. It is still, for me, logical that they'd show it to him. If I've understood Norland's character correctly, he'd stay as long as he could and talked to the dwarves. Again, it is most logical for me that they'd show him their own Ponyglyph, if they have one, that is.

What we seem to disagree about is Norland's character, not the chances of there being a Ponyglyph on Green Bit.

Upper Yard came directly from Jaya, and stood in the same climate ( somewhat ) as Jaya. In this theory, while Green Bit came from Jaya's missing eye, it ended up near Dressrosa. It's a completely different climate and it's already been shown that Dressrosa is rich in flowers, having as far as a whole field of sunflowers. But one thing that I do find hard to explain is, not just the difference in location, so far from each other, but the growth itself.

Green bit existed before Shandia was shot to the sky, if we agree that the Tontatta lived near the Donquixote's Dressrosa in Green Bit, 900 years ago. But the excessive plant growth was not because of the land, but because of Island and Ocean Cloud nurturing composition. So I believe the plant growth ( after reading this theory ) came from the same nutrient that created the denser clouds, which was said to be the same mineral that composes Sea Stone. So, maybe Green Bit came from the sky, after Jaya's eye was thrown into it, and then drifted, or maybe Green Bit is on top of a Sea Stone volcanic hotspot, where the minerals that would form sea Stone are being infused into the land itself, prompting the growth.

I like that theory.

I do not like that theory. It is simply absurd, and even more so, wild guessing. I don't know what's going on in Oda's head, so I could be wrong about this, but c'mon, most of it really doesn't make sense. You're adding in volcanos, sky drifting, and sea stones, just to make it sound possible. Skypiea is 10,000 meters above the ground, and if something like an island were to fall down, it would've been crushed to bits. This is assuming it didn't just hit the sea, but then again, the island itself would sink if nothing was under it but water.

It's also arguable if the Knock Up Stream existed over 400 years ago. Before that, Jaya and the Shandorians only heard the trembles underground, and immediately assumed it was a God's doing, till the pressure became too strong. As we already know, they ended up in the sky. All natural events have a debut, and the Knock Up Stream certainly had one as well

Regardless, I'd like to keep on shaming you, as you tried this hard working guy. So, once again, you're wrong. Upper Yard did have plants and trees that grew in size, it was the first observation Nami did when she arrived at the shores of Upper Yard, and was noted throughout the arc as the Straw Hats were exploring the island. Everything looked like Jaya's forest except bigger and wilder. The Bean Stalk didn't come from Upper Yard, as it was already there, but it's growth was also due to the same reason as Upper Yard's plant life. So you might want to check your facts again.

Shame me? For what, exactly? We just have different opinions about what's more logical or not. For the first time, I recon, I was wrong. Things do grow to huge sizes in the Upper Yard, which I had forgotten. However, you're the one in the wrong now. I double-checked my facts, so you wouldn't bite me for it later. There's a huge difference between Jaya and Skypiea's climates, although you seem to think otherwise. It was stated, twice I believe, that the growth in plants and trees was due to the decrease in atmosphere. You might want to check your facts again, no?

Why is it rubbish? First of all, the title came from somewhere. All the guy did was link it with the Ancient History, which could very well be true. You don't seem to realize that Oda doesn't do random as often as you might initially think, and the whole God / Ruler topic was big enough to warrant a step back and a more deeper reflection. And on top of all the in game clues that Oda may or may not have dropped in the story already, there's also metagaming foreshadowing, where the author writes some clues not into the story itself, in character, but also through the choice of words in the writing, it's a common occurrence in novels and could just as well happen in something as deep as Oda's work.

His speculation is just as fitting as yours, except he made a thread about it and you made an angry post. Opinion wise, neither one is rubbish, exposition wise, only yours is.

I disagree, though. Enel was arrogant and thought too highly of himself, as far as to call himself a god, obviously. Luffy disproved him, you could say. I believe that was mostly the point of their fight. In the end, the citizens of Skypiea prayed for God to save them from Enel, and so Luffy appeared. Again, I don't know what Oda is thinking, but I doubt he'd go as far as to feed Enel's ego.

I know very well that Oda is the type to leave behind hints and clues to his story. I may be dumb, but I'm not an idiot. I call it 'rubbish' because I believe it's rubbish. There are many reasons as to why I don't believe that Enel's title would actually hint to him being an actual God. One of them is stated above. Oda made a point out of Enel. Another is that there have been left numerous clues as to what Uranus actually is, but I'll leave that for another time. It's simply a difference in opinion, but I'll still use the word 'rubbish' for this, yes.

His theory was that Uranus controlled Logia. He believed the most powerful and fitting is Goro Goro, so he started to link with that one alone. But he started by speculating that Uranus controlled the elements. I like that concept better than Uranus controlling the weather, having it control "Elements" is much more ominious, and the idea that maybe Uranus can take over elemental fruits is quite interesting. While I agree that all weapons should, on their own, be able to mass destruction, I don't think having them work together would be such a far-fetched thing. There must be some other connection other than just inherent individual threat between the three weapons, or else they wouldn't be the trio of god weapons. And it is safe to assume that the type of mass destruction that the World Government is so worried about is superior than the power of any DF user, Logia or not, seeing as they once had 3 Admirals with formidable Logia.

Again, just a matter of opinion. I believe that, like you, all weapons alone should be able to create mass destruction. Franky was shocked when he first saw the blueprints of Pluton, and stated that it was definitely capable of mass destruction. How would he have been so sure of it when it actually just created some smoke/thunder clouds? Pluton is known for being the God of the underworld, but also, unlike Hades (his other name), the ruler of minerals. Oda chose this name for a reason, not to create some black clouds and shoot with a giant cannon.

So, once again, you're far too worried about dissing the poor guy than you are making sure your counter-arguments make any sense. For someone so picky about theories, you don't seem to be that picky in your attempts to refute them. Were I in a worse mood I'd simple dismiss you as a troll. But I think the kind of effort and refreshing ideas that this thread threw out warranted a little better response on my part.

I believe my arguments were good enough, thank you. You don't check your facts, either, and sometimes you put your opinions equal to facts or other logical assumptions. You're not one to complain. I have no need to 'diss' the guy, as I really don't care for him (no offense, Uchiha Samater), I simply wanted to disregard this theory as logical. Again (and again), it's a matter of opinion.

 

[Uchiha Samater]

LoL

as Skylar said it is all opinion, and as i mentioned in the original thread my assumptions/theory for the future is only based on past events

all responses are welcome and no offense was taken at all