It was you who stated that Prime Wb can destroy the world hence the burden of proof lies on your shoulder. I have feats WB not being able to destroy MF even after multiple hits to support my claim and you have none except for that useless hype.Lol
It won't cost him multiple hits. Madara had to go to his strongest power-up (PS) to pull off that feat., WB does it casually. Also, Madara destroyed a couple of mountains with a casual PS swing, whereas WB almost sank the entire MF with a single quake.
MF took multiple hits from GGNM = manga fact. What if it takes his strongest form? It is not like WB can offer anything stronger than GGNM punch. Lol The point is it takes multiple attacks from WB to destroy MF where as it takes single hit for Mads to destroy the same thing. Hence Madara's DC > that of WB.
Sinking =/= destroying. So,that point is super useless here.
It's not like they were fighting in space or anything. When they both clashed with their strongest techniques, it should of destroyed a huge portion of the island. Why wouldn't it effect the ground?
For most part they were fighting in the air. It dosen't matter if the impact didn't reach the ground. I have no reason to bother about it as long as I have feats of TBB destroying mountains to support my point.
Where did I say that WB didn't master his DF? I was talking about BB. DF mastery applies to all DF's (at least with the combat based ones) so the GGnM is no exception. Yes, MF wasn't destroyed for plot purposes.And WB's quakes caused tsunami's enough to engulf an entire island.
I don't get where exactly I was implying that bold part. I said BB pulled attacks on WB's level and we all know that WB has full mastery over his DF but still the DC of their attacks is same.Hence, BB's attacks aren't getting any stronger even if has better mastery over GGNM. Only think BB can gain by mastering it would be better control over it's power but the DC of his attacks'll remain the same.
It does seeing how their DC feats are done quite casually and can compare/surpass with EoS top tiers in Naruto. Clearly, that's not the case seeing how Prime WB had the power to destroy the world. EoS Law's room can easily cover an island probably based off how powerful WB/Roger were claimed to be and how in PH it covered a couple of mountains. Don't even get me started on the ancient weapons either.
Use feats bro, not useless hype. There is nothing from OP that has more DC than a regular TBB period. I have yet to use attacks such as Naruto's FRS TBB's and Juubi TBB's.
Oh and I totally forgot. Ace vs BB fight was on an island scale and they weren't even close to being admiral level, let alone PK tier like Prime WB was.
We have already seen what WB and Admirals can do.What are you trying to prove with this now? It's not like any of them can destroy a mountain with single attack.
It was you who stated that Prime Wb can destroy the world hence the burden of proof lies on your shoulder. I have feats WB not being able to destroy MF even after multiple hits to support my claim and you have none except for that useless hype.Lol
Call it what you will, it's still manga facts. This should wrap up your stupid denial. In fact, this should end the discussion, period. OPV has better DC than the NV.
MF took multiple hits from GGNM = manga fact. What if it takes his strongest form? It is not like WB can offer anything stronger than GGNM punch. Lol The point is it takes multiple attacks from WB to destroy MF where as it takes single hit for Mads to destroy the same thing. Hence Madara's DC > that of WB.
Sinking =/= destroying. So,that point is super useless here.
It seems you have a hard time believing WB had the power to destroy the world because he couldn't destroy MF, am I correct? Like I mentioned before, there is something called plot from preventing him in doing so. Not to mention, we've had the marines & admirals pretty much prevent him in doing so and he still managed to put MF in a really bad condition despite all the top tiers guarding it pretty much. Sinking is a form of destroying, much like burning an island down can be seen as destroying or cutting an island. If you don't want to accept sinking as a way of destroying something, sinking will still be a DC. His old age & illness probably hindered him greatly from using the DF to it's full extent.
For most part they were fighting in the air. It dosen't matter if the impact didn't reach the ground. I have no reason to bother about it as long as I have feats of TBB destroying mountains to support my point.
I don't get where exactly I was implying that bold part. I said BB pulled attacks on WB's level and we all know that WB has full mastery over his DF but still the DC of their attacks is same.Hence, BB's attacks aren't getting any stronger even if has better mastery over GGNM. Only think BB can gain by mastering it would be better control over it's power but the DC of his attacks'll remain the same.
So you're basically saying if someone like Nami was to pick up the DF, she would have the same DC as prime WB? Lol Yeah whatever you say. That would be a really one dimensional fruit, if that's the only capabilities of the DF and it has a fixed DC on the fruit.
Use feats bro, not useless hype. There is nothing from OP that has more DC than a regular TBB period. I have yet to use attacks such as Naruto's FRS TBB's and Juubi TBB's.
I am? It's not like I'm bringing Roger to this discussion or Shanks. I told you WB's quakes are already above Naruto's techniques. Akainu's magma fist meteor, Fujitora's meteor, Mihawk's unnamed slashes, Chinjao's headbutts who can split continents in his prime and got one shot'd by Garp, etc.
We have already seen what WB and Admirals can do.What are you trying to prove with this now? It's not like any of them can destroy a mountain with single attack.
Lol We haven't seen the full strength of Kizaru/Aokiji/Fujitora. We've seen Ace fight with killing intent and his fight was on an island scale, so imagine what an admiral with the same intent can do. Aokiji just wanted to battle Akainu, not kill him off. Ace's entei can destroy a mountain. If he can destroy a mountain with a single attack, then I'm more than confident the admirals can as well. It's common sense.
NV shits on OP verse... Bijuudama's would obliterate Luffy... Plus Naruto has immortal chars which OP doesn't Kaguya alone destroys OP Verse... Hell OP chars would be scared shitless against people like Kisame,Tobirama etc...
Well IMO the NV is a more flashy verse especially towards its closing were there were these massive scale attacks true but 98% of them were useless and the pple actually got defeated by far less impressive means, look at Madara(got a *** change/take over),Kaguya(mother of all chakra can't counter a seal she has seen before, ugh so anticlimactic n pathetic for me) then naruto vs Sasuke ended up a fist fight(I actually liked that though coz I was tired of the let me draw a smaller landscape and larger explosion ball game).
The attacks that really matter r stuff like Pain obliterating Kanoha(something relevant not some no name mountains that keep being there even after the first ten get destroyed).
I think manga with energy based systems tend to b more flashy look at Bleach n Dbz they r so different from the more physical/body centric one piece n comparing them just ends in unnecessary wars.
1Mtons was so not cool though coz cmon what kind of crater(if any part of the island wld b left) wld that leave? n 10K is an impressive feat anyways.
NV doesnt use raw power ( do you even lift sasuke? ) except taijutsu (for guy to use that level of physical strength was kin jutsu anyway) it's all about chakra and chakra nature.
Call it what you will, it's still manga facts. This should wrap up your stupid denial. In fact, this should end the discussion, period. OPV has better DC than the NV.
TBB can destror whole MF without a trace and that wave can't do it. Hence, The wave's DC is <<< That of a TBB. Not really hard to understand.
It seems you have a hard time believing WB had the power to destroy the world because he couldn't destroy MF, am I correct? Like I mentioned before, there is something called plot from preventing him in doing so. Not to mention, we've had the marines & admirals pretty much prevent him in doing so and he still managed to put MF in a really bad condition despite all the top tiers guarding it pretty much. Sinking is a form of destroying, much like burning an island down can be seen as destroying or cutting an island. If you don't want to accept sinking as a way of destroying something, sinking will still be a DC. His old age & illness probably hindered him greatly from using the DF to it's full extent.
There are occasions when WB didn't even cared about his own men. Let me remind you that the same dude with the power to destroy the world failed to destroy the iron walls at MF.Lol WB attacked with an intent to kill him and he has no reason to hold back on him yet his didn't managed to to destroy MF. This guy ain't destroying MF with single hit let alone whole OP verse.
So you're basically saying if someone like Nami was to pick up the DF, she would have the same DC as prime WB? Lol Yeah whatever you say. That would be a really one dimensional fruit, if that's the only capabilities of the DF and it has a fixed DC on the fruit.
It dosen't matter what level of powers Nami can gain. The thing is BB displayed attacks that are on par with WB attacks who has loads of experience with GGNM. So, I have no reason to believe that his attacks are going to get any stronger.
I am? It's not like I'm bringing Roger to this discussion or Shanks. I told you WB's quakes are already above Naruto's techniques. Akainu's magma fist meteor, Fujitora's meteor, Mihawk's unnamed slashes, Chinjao's headbutts who can split continents in his prime and got one shot'd by Garp, etc.
So, You know what Roger can do? Can Shanks change anything here? What did Shanks displayed that can make him look better than WB to think he can make any difference? All those attacks that you have mentioned are far below TBB when it comes to DC.
A TBB = Whole green bit will turn into dust and you are comparing Fujitoran's meteor with a TBB? Lmao, not sure if serious.Lol
Lol We haven't seen the full strength of Kizaru/Aokiji/Fujitora. We've seen Ace fight with killing intent and his fight was on an island scale, so imagine what an admiral with the same intent can do. Aokiji just wanted to battle Akainu, not kill him off. Ace's entei can destroy a mountain. If he can destroy a mountain with a single attack, then I'm more than confident the admirals can as well. It's common sense.
We have seen what 2 admirals can do in an one on one all out battle and We have seen what strongest dude in OP can pull. None of those feats can get near TBB in terms of DC.
When did Ace destroyed a mountain? Am I missing something?
Well IMO the NV is a more flashy verse especially towards its closing were there were these massive scale attacks true but 98% of them were useless and the pple actually got defeated by far less impressive means, look at Madara(got a *** change/take over),Kaguya(mother of all chakra can't counter a seal she has seen before, ugh so anticlimactic n pathetic for me) then naruto vs Sasuke ended up a fist fight(I actually liked that though coz I was tired of the let me draw a smaller landscape and larger explosion ball game).
The attacks that really matter r stuff like Pain obliterating Kanoha(something relevant not some no name mountains that keep being there even after the first ten get destroyed).
I think manga with energy based systems tend to b more flashy look at Bleach n Dbz they r so different from the more physical/body centric one piece n comparing them just ends in unnecessary wars.
1Mtons was so not cool though coz cmon what kind of crater(if any part of the island wld b left) wld that leave? n 10K is an impressive feat anyways.
NV doesnt use raw power ( do you even lift sasuke? ) except taijutsu (for guy to use that level of physical strength was kin jutsu anyway) it's all about chakra and chakra nature.
Do read these two above. They're the closest opinions i could agree with to conclude about both verses' powerscale. If you're talking about the extent of damage one could cause by keeping their respective powers and special abilities, it's pretty obvious NV and BV have clear advantages over OPV. They have much more OP techniques, which the power itself mostly overwhelms Devil Fruit power.
However, if you strip off their special abilities for all these three verses (OPV, NV and BV), taking account only pure physical feats and put them for a straight up brawls, I'd say it's OPV reigning over other two verses. Physical strength and durability, are quite amazing in One Piece at most, so far.
DBZV? Man, that's hardly to be compared. Seriously...
That wasn't the point of the scan. I posted it to show what Sengoku said about WB. Seriously dude, I notice that you have a hard time understanding stuff and it pretty much makes this debate useless if you can't accept manga facts & understand my points. WB having the feat. to destroy the world > anything that the NV showed (or at least was stated) in terms of DC. Now the big difference here is that before you say it's meaningless hype (which is stupid enough), look at how much damage he did to MF with 3 top tiers protecting it & the marines for the most part. I can't believe you're actually trying to tell me that WB can't destroy MF casually if no one was there to guard it or easier than a TBB. It's not far-fetched at all to believe that WB could of destroyed the world in his prime.
I think Oda just went overboard with his powerscaling. It's better to keep it low and allow more room for strategies and tactics rather than thousands of tons of brute force. 10,000 tons is too high at his stage for characters who can't even hold a candle to the top tiers. And it also starts to raise a lot of questions like how Water 7 Luffy couldn't get himself free from being stuck between two buildings (all he had to do was break the walls), Luffy struggled to free himself when Paulie and him were trapped and so on. Agreed it was pre TS Luffy, but he still should have been strong enough to get himself out of those situations, especially since he proved that he was a match for a giant at Little Garden.
And why are people comparing the power levels of different mangas? It's not like it a higher powerscaling means better plot or something.
That wasn't the point of the scan. I posted it to show what Sengoku said about WB. Seriously dude, I notice that you have a hard time understanding stuff and it pretty much makes this debate useless if you can't accept manga facts & understand my points. WB having the feat. to destroy the world > anything that the NV showed (or at least was stated) in terms of DC.
Lmao, It is funny how you are riding on hype while talking about WB and using feats when talking about NV.hmm You can ride on hype as much as you want. But you are not proving anything here unless you can bring me good enough proofs to support your claim. If multiple hits from his DF can't destroy MF building which can be easily destroyed by a TBB then he's not destroying the world.
Now the big difference here is that before you say it's meaningless hype (which is stupid enough),
Anyone with little common sense can easily understand that the statement is a hyperbole. WB's feats at MF clearly indicates that.If he has the power to destroy the world then why can't he destroy the walls at MF? :yeah:
look at how much damage he did to MF with 3 top tiers protecting it & the marines for the most part. I can't believe you're actually trying to tell me that WB can't destroy MF casually if no one was there to guard it or easier than a TBB. It's not far-fetched at all to believe that WB could of destroyed the world in his prime.
It doesn't matter, MF still took multiple hits from WB and still it wasn't destroyed. Why are you riding on assumptions and hypes? Why don't you bring me feats?
Lmao, It is funny how you are riding on hype while talking about WB and using feats when talking about NV.hmm You can ride on hype as much as you want. But you are not proving anything here unless you can bring me good enough proofs to support your claim. If multiple hits from his DF can't destroy MF building which can be easily destroyed by a TBB then he's not destroying the world.
It's funny that you can't prove me wrong. That's a feat. of WB, he had the power to destroy the world. I already gave you proof, the tsunami that would of engulfed MF. Having the power to destroy the world doesn't have to mean he does it in one blow.
Anyone with little common sense can easily understand that the statement is a hyperbole. WB's feats at MF clearly indicates that.If he has the power to destroy the world then why can't he destroy the walls at MF? :yeah:
LMAO, that's an exaggeration? What part of WB being old/sick & a bunch of top tiers guarding MF do you not understand? He already tilted the island and sea at
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with a single hand motion. Lmao and you're telling me that WB can't destroy the island seeing how did that with minimal effort? You can't refute my points. A prime WB can destroy the OP world.
It doesn't matter, MF still took multiple hits from WB and still it wasn't destroyed. Why are you riding on assumptions and hypes? Why don't you bring me feats?
Have Madara, Sasuke & -instert a top tier Naruto character here- with probably the whole shinobi alliance guarding an island. Let's see if Naruto's TBB can destroy the island now. The shinobi alliance had nothing to hold them back, they wanted to defeat Madara/Obito whereas WB was holding back since he just wanted to save Ace so obviously he can't sink/destroy the island.
It's funny that you can't prove me wrong. That's a feat. of WB, he had the power to destroy the world. I already gave you proof, the tsunami that would of engulfed MF. Having the power to destroy the world doesn't have to mean he does it in one blow.
Is there any need for me to prove you wrong? You didn't provided an argument with a legit argument to began with. So, you telling me that WB could destroy the world in a Year or two by spamming GGNM? Please tell me why Naruto can't do the same by spamming TBB's? He can do that much earlier than WB could.
LMAO, that's an exaggeration? What part of WB being old/sick
Can you prove that his attacks are weaker because of those reasons?
a bunch of top tiers guarding MF do you not understand? He already tilted the island and sea at
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with a single hand motion. Lmao and you're telling me that WB can't destroy the island seeing how did that with minimal effort? You can't refute my points. A prime WB can destroy the OP world.
'MF took hits from WB despite of being protected by marines.' What part of it is so hard for you to understand? Apart from the part where 3 admirals used haki to defend MF from WB's attack, there wasn't a single panel in which WB's attacks were suppressed by marines to think that his DC was decreased because of marines. Once again, call me when Wb can destroy the
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let alone whole OPV.
Have Madara, Sasuke & -instert a top tier Naruto character here- with probably the whole shinobi alliance guarding an island. Let's see if Naruto's TBB can destroy the island now. The shinobi alliance had nothing to hold them back, they wanted to defeat Madara/Obito whereas WB was holding back since he just wanted to save Ace so obviously he can't sink/destroy the island.
Seems like you forgot what Madara alone did against whole SA. I have already told you that there are a few occasions in which WB didn't even cared about what would happen to his own men. Whatever, nothing is going to change unless you can show me an attack that can surpass a TBB DC level. Juubidama's and FRS TBBS are yet to be used.Lol
Even Ichiryuu's minority world? Goku can't survive something as OP as that. Besides, the person who I was talking to said Goku can solo any verse. The Toriko verse low-diffs Goku with ease, if it was a verse battle then I'm not sure seeing how we don't know how strong the other 8 kings are & the Blue Nitro are.
In a verse battle DBZ would easily win. Torkio wolrd have no anwser for BUU,BROLY OR BILLS BBB TRIO SOLOS
He sent Machvise flying, not the metal plate. It was the plate that weighed 10,000 ton. Actually, if you look closely, you'd see it barely even recoiled. A punch can only do so much, and his only managed to bend the plate, which happened to make Machvise vulnerable. Hajrudin managed to stay up long enough to make the impact of his punch go through the plate, that's all.
Hajruding completely destroyed his body with this one punch. The feat is definitely impressive, but you're hyping it up too much.
Even Ichiryuu's minority world? Goku can't survive something as OP as that. Besides, the person who I was talking to said Goku can solo any verse. The Toriko verse low-diffs Goku with ease, if it was a verse battle then I'm not sure seeing how we don't know how strong the other 8 kings are & the Blue Nitro are.
In a verse battle DBZ would easily win. Torkio wolrd have no anwser for BUU,BROLY OR BILLS BBB TRIO SOLOS
