[Discussion] One Piece Powerscale

[Hexuze]

Are u telling me that WB is about a 10 times stronger than Garp? Because I am sure as hell OP world is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>8 mountains and we don't even know how many punches and how much time it took for Garp to pull that feat.

Sasuke destroyed mountain level CT's pretty easily.

I don't recall saying such things, I was just addressing the claim you made of him not being able to destroy the MF building. The point was to show that if Garp was able to destroy mountains with ease, then surely WB can destroy an island, especially with the help of his DF. You do know that the tsunami WB created at the start of the war would of engulfed the entire island, right? Assuming that Aokiji didn't do anything ofc. Garp said he destroyed those mountains for training, I don't think it took him that long seeing how at an old age he was able to launch that iron ball at the SH's.

They are trying to destroy each other so they would obviously use their most powerful attacks. It is same as saying that WB's GGNM punches are weaker when he's facing an opponent than when he's randomly destroying mountains. Both WB as well as Teach tried to destroy MF but couldn't destroy it but a TBB can destroy it without a single trace. 5 TBB's from bujji which were reflected by Naruto managed to destroy 5 mountains.

Most of their attacks clashed in middle air so you can't judge their DC based on the condition of VOTE.



Luffy was inside of Noah's bubble. If Giant's punch can send 1M tons into air like a bird then Luffy should be able to easily push Noah upwards with his punches.

Lol you really didn't understand what point I was making. When you're fighting with someone, do you start going batshit crazy and start destroying everything around you? No. WB could of easily destroyed MF if the Marines weren't there LOL. Man, I'm starting to doubt if you read OP or not. Teach just got the GGnM and he managed to split the sky in half and tilt the seas with relative ease. If masters the DF, would it be far-fetched for him to have the power to destroy the world? Not at all. Similarly with WB, BB would of been able to easily sink/destroy MF if the Marines weren't there to intervene (with higher diff. compared to WB ofc).

It wasn't that far from the valley of the end, in fact the blast radius should still damage the island heavily since you stated that they can destroy islands easily. Just look at the NV compared to the OPverse, much more top tiers in OP with better feats., not to mention the insane abilities they have on top of that. Spamming is a lot easier in the OPverse as well compared to the limitations that the NV has with their chakra system.

Useless hype until proven true

Yeah, it's useless seeing what BB did with the GGnM with little to no mastery...

 

[Lord Tywin]

Sorry what's BFR?

Feat is less impressive, but my point still remains the same

Where is your evidence of country busting? Show a map with a missing country. I urge you to.

@bold So when did interest correlate to power? IMO One Piece is way more interesting than that ninja drivel.

Reacting to something instant still takes time and is by no means a feat. How about this for a speed comparison?:

Naruto still cannot break the sound barrier. Luffy broke the sound barrier back in Ennies Lobby, pre timeskip. In fact, his enemy, Blueno could break the sound barrier, yet Luffy blitzed him. So pre TS Luffy already speed blitzes Ch 699 Naruto

Now, timeskip: Luffy can dodge Lasers (light speed). Light is 892,800 times faster than sound. So, Luffy is already proving to be substantially faster than Naruto. Lest we not forget the fact that Luffy got blitzed by Doflamingo whom is by no means portrayed as fast in comparison to the rest of the New World. LELELELELELELELELELELEL.

P.S. Teleportation is not speed.

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I guess you would say this was a city buster Lol

I used the wrong word for that sentence. I know op is massively more interesting that Naruto.

It's a reaction feat. People reacting to point blank instant teleportation is heck of a lot more interesting thant luffy dodging lasers from 200 yatds away.

Gai in 8th gates was distorting the space and was moving with relativistic speed. Madara was looking at him and could see him, getting prepared for the impact.

Sasuke was blitzing the same Madara like he was nothing, and Naruto was holding his own and even blitzed Kaguya, a being stronger and faster that Madara.

 

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I guess you would say this was a city buster Lol

I used the wrong word for that sentence. I know op is massively more interesting that Naruto.

It's a reaction feat. People reacting to point blank instant teleportation is heck of a lot more interesting thant luffy dodging lasers from 200 yatds away.

Gai in 8th gates was distorting the space and was moving with relativistic speed. Madara was looking at him and could see him, getting prepared for the impact.

Sasuke was blitzing the same Madara like he was nothing, and Naruto was holding his own and even blitzed Kaguya, a being stronger and faster that Madara.

Reacting and enacting upon are different things.

NV chars can react whereas OP chars can enact upon something moving at the speed of light, in comparison to a ninja whom teleported, the shinobi's raw speed (for taijutsu etc.) is nothing by comparison to light

 

[Lord Tywin]

Reacting and enacting upon are different things.

NV chars can react whereas OP chars can enact upon something moving at the speed of light, in comparison to a ninja whom teleported, the shinobi's raw speed (for taijutsu etc.) is nothing by comparison to light

Lol you need an speed close to light to bent the space like that. And madara has lost his truth seeking balls to counter Gai effectively. Also luffy had far more distance between him that the distance between madara and gai.

 

[Bogard]

Kizaru has light speed(mangawise) and many characters have been shown to be capable to react to his speed. Speedwise, some of the one piece characters may actually be faster than Naruto characters and like Kizaru likes to say "speed is weight". Observation haki probably helps in the CQC timing though

 

[Lord Tywin]

Kizaru has light speed(mangawise) and many characters have been shown to be capable to react to his speed. Speedwise, some of the one piece characters may actually be faster than Naruto characters and like Kizaru likes to say "speed is weight". Observation haki probably helps in the CQC timing though

When kizaru takes forever to lunch himself? Or that he needs mirrors and glasses to do it? Haku did it in the very first arc.

I enjoy OP heck of a lot more than Naruto, but Naruto is a stronger verse to me.

 

[Bogard]

When was it said Haku had light speed? Besides no Kizaru said his kicks were light speed. He doesn't need the mirror

 

[Lord Tywin]

When was it said Haku had light speed? Besides no Kizaru said his kicks were light speed. He doesn't need the mirror

Haku was using ice mirrors to reflect and attack. Kizaru has light speed kicks, while he hasn't shown the same speed continuously or the wholr body.

 

[skygoku]

To the guy saying toriko beat DBZ lol are you kidding.

OT: One piece may physical be stronger but Naruto characters have way more DC

 

[Lord Tywin]

To the guy saying toriko beat DBZ lol are you kidding.

OT: One piece may physical be stronger but Naruto characters have way more DC

Toriko has people in it that skip mountains with mach1 speed, as to PASS THE TIME. They also have the hax.

 

[skygoku]

Toriko has people in it that skip mountains with mach1 speed, as to PASS THE TIME. They also have the hax.

Skip mountains lol goku can go from planet to planet best feat so far was probably jirou grand knocking which stop the rotation of the planet. early in the series it should how much durbality they had and I forgot who but someone had a 98 which is the power to almost surive a planet explosion lol goku could dish ten times that

 

[Hexuze]

Skip mountains lol goku can go from planet to planet best feat so far was probably jirou grand knocking which stop the rotation of the planet. early in the series it should how much durbality they had and I forgot who but someone had a 98 which is the power to almost surive a planet explosion lol goku could dish ten times that

Just curious, do you even read Toriko? Jirou stopping the earth from rotating says a lot not only because of how large the world is but the fact that he barely makes the top 10 strongest Toriko characters list. We've just got past the TS as well and the characters are already insanely powerful. I doubt Goku can blitz from the 100G mountain like it's nothing and throw mountains across the Toriko world without declining in speed. The battle wolf is already seen as one of the strongest 8 kings too. Heracles, presumably one of the weakest 8 kings can give a lot of trouble to a DBZ character.

 

[skygoku]

Just curious, do you even read Toriko? Jirou stopping the earth from rotating says a lot not only because of how large the world is but the fact that he barely makes the top 10 strongest Toriko characters list. We've just got past the TS as well and the characters are already insanely powerful. I doubt Goku can blitz from the 100G mountain like it's nothing and throw mountains across the Toriko world without declining in speed. The battle wolf is already seen as one of the strongest 8 kings too. Heracles, presumably one of the weakest 8 kings can give a lot of trouble to a DBZ character.

Yea i do its a great manga just think your hyping and did freiza not destroy planet vegeta which is also much bigger than earth. If this was a lifting contest then torkio would win but its a fight goku energy blast and speed are too much for any toriko character

 

[Lord Tywin]

Just curious, do you even read Toriko? Jirou stopping the earth from rotating says a lot not only because of how large the world is but the fact that he barely makes the top 10 strongest Toriko characters list. We've just got past the TS as well and the characters are already insanely powerful. I doubt Goku can blitz from the 100G mountain like it's nothing and throw mountains across the Toriko world without declining in speed. The battle wolf is already seen as one of the strongest 8 kings too. Heracles, presumably one of the weakest 8 kings can give a lot of trouble to a DBZ character.

Nah Jirou should easily make it top10

 

[Hexuze]

Yea i do its a great manga just think your hyping and did freiza not destroy planet vegeta which is also much bigger than earth. If this was a lifting contest then torkio would win but its a fight goku energy blast and speed are too much for any toriko character

Even Ichiryuu's minority world? Goku can't survive something as OP as that. Besides, the person who I was talking to said Goku can solo any verse. The Toriko verse low-diffs Goku with ease, if it was a verse battle then I'm not sure seeing how we don't know how strong the other 8 kings are & the Blue Nitro are.

Nah Jirou should easily make it top10

Really? I wouldn't say easily since we've got a lot of competition from the 8 kings, Blue Nitro, Joa, etc.

Atm, this is how I see it
8 kings > Blue Nitro (they could be above the 8 kings who knows) > Ichiryuu > Jirou > Midora

I see Jirou barely making the top 10, especially since he's out of his prime.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Even Ichiryuu's minority world? Goku can't survive something as OP as that. Besides, the person who I was talking to said Goku can solo any verse. The Toriko verse low-diffs Goku with ease, if it was a verse battle then I'm not sure seeing how we don't know how strong the other 8 kings are & the Blue Nitro are.


Really? I wouldn't say easily since we've got a lot of competition from the 8 kings, Blue Nitro, Joa, etc.

Atm, this is how I see it
8 kings > Blue Nitro (they could be above the 8 kings who knows) > Ichiryuu > Jirou > Midora

I see Jirou barely making the top 10, especially since he's out of his prime.

I personally see Acacia's students abovr 8 kings. Midora should be above Jirou because I don't see how Jirou gets past hungry space. Also I see the top ten like this
Acacia
Head of Blue Nitro
Ichiryuu
Midora
Jirou
Top three of 8 kings( battle wolf, Derous, Mother Snake)
Joa
Another Blue Nitro

 

[A v i]

I don't recall saying such things, I was just addressing the claim you made of him not being able to destroy the MF building. The point was to show that if Garp was able to destroy mountains with ease, then surely WB can destroy an island, especially with the help of his DF. You do know that the tsunami WB created at the start of the war would of engulfed the entire island, right? Assuming that Aokiji didn't do anything ofc. Garp said he destroyed those mountains for training, I don't think it took him that long seeing how at an old age he was able to launch that iron ball at the SH's.

It was my bad. I was in a hurry back then so I didn't read it properly. I read it like this 'if Garp can destroy 8 mountains for training then WB could destroy the world if he wanted to.

Whatever, Wb ain't destroying world and Yes, He could destroy MF if he wanted to but it'll cost him multiple hits but a TBB /single PS slash
is more than enough to pull comparable damage.

Lol you really didn't understand what point I was making. When you're fighting with someone, do you start going batshit crazy and start destroying everything around you? No. WB could of easily destroyed MF if the Marines weren't there LOL.

Marines are there to stop WB from destroying MF but no one is protecting PH from Akainu or Aokiji so only thing their battle can bring is noting more than destruction. If Akainu throws magma fists at Aokiji they'll eventually hit the ground and it'll just bring more destruction. Where as in case of Naruto and Sasuke if their attacks clashed with each other in the middle air the impact won't effect the ground but in case of Akainu and Aokiji it'll effect the ground as their attacks'll eventually reach the ground even if they clash in the middle air which is why Akainu vs Aokiji is totally different from the battle at VOTE.

Man, I'm starting to doubt if you read OP or not. Teach just got the GGnM and he managed to split the sky in half and tilt the seas with relative ease. If masters the DF, would it be far-fetched for him to have the power to destroy the world? Not at all. Similarly with WB, BB would of been able to easily sink/destroy MF if the Marines weren't there to intervene (with higher diff. compared to WB ofc).

Stop using fanfics man.I am pretty sure WB fully mastered his DF and his DC is same as that of Teach. So, his attacks aren't going to get any better even if Teach has better mastery over it.MF took more than one hit from GGNM yet it wasn't destroyed.hmm

It wasn't that far from the valley of the end, in fact the blast radius should still damage the island heavily since you stated that they can destroy islands easily.

We don't know how far it is and TBB's did destroyed mountains on more than one occasion.

Just look at the NV compared to the OPverse, much more top tiers in OP with better feats., not to mention the insane abilities they have on top of that. Spamming is a lot easier in the OPverse as well compared to the limitations that the NV has with their chakra system.

It does't matter if OP has more top tiers than Naruto. The point we are discussing is the power scaling and the attacks from Naruto has more DC than anything offered by OP which is why Naruto is above OP's power scaling. I know that OP characters have far better physical capabilities than people from Naruto but it won't change the fact that Naruto has attacks with more DC.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Fact is Goku couldn't even lift 400 tons in base with 100 each limb. Hajrudin would destroy Goku in a fight.

Goku can use IT and blast the planet from space. Then he goes to another planet nearby to chill

 

[Hexuze]

Whatever, Wb ain't destroying world and Yes, He could destroy MF if he wanted to but it'll cost him multiple hits but a TBB /single PS slash
is more than enough to pull comparable damage.

Please tell me how WB can't destroy the world. It won't cost him multiple hits. Madara had to go to his strongest power-up (PS) to pull off that feat., WB does it casually. Also, Madara destroyed a couple of mountains with a casual PS swing, whereas WB almost sank the entire MF with a single quake.

Marines are there to stop WB from destroying MF but no one is protecting PH from Akainu or Aokiji so only thing their battle can bring is noting more than destruction. If Akainu throws magma fists at Aokiji they'll eventually hit the ground and it'll just bring more destruction. Where as in case of Naruto and Sasuke if their attacks clashed with each other in the middle air the impact won't effect the ground but in case of Akainu and Aokiji it'll effect the ground as their attacks'll eventually reach the ground even if they clash in the middle air which is why Akainu vs Aokiji is totally different from the battle at VOTE.

It's not like they were fighting in space or anything. When they both clashed with their strongest techniques, it should of destroyed a huge portion of the island. Why wouldn't it effect the ground?

Stop using fanfics man.I am pretty sure WB fully mastered his DF and his DC is same as that of Teach. So, his attacks aren't going to get any better even if Teach has better mastery over it.MF took more than one hit from GGNM yet it wasn't destroyed.hmm

Where did I say that WB didn't master his DF? I was talking about BB. DF mastery applies to all DF's (at least with the combat based ones) so the GGnM is no exception. Yes, MF wasn't destroyed for plot purposes.

We don't know how far it is and TBB's did destroyed mountains on more than one occasion.

And WB's quakes caused tsunami's enough to engulf an entire island.

It does't matter if OP has more top tiers than Naruto. The point we are discussing is the power scaling and the attacks from Naruto has more DC than anything offered by OP which is why Naruto is above OP's power scaling. I know that OP characters have far better physical capabilities than people from Naruto but it won't change the fact that Naruto has attacks with more DC.

It does seeing how their DC feats are done quite casually and can compare/surpass with EoS top tiers in Naruto. Clearly, that's not the case seeing how Prime WB had the power to destroy the world. EoS Law's room can easily cover an island probably based off how powerful WB/Roger were claimed to be and how in PH it covered a couple of mountains. Don't even get me started on the ancient weapons either.


Oh and I totally forgot. Ace vs BB fight was on an island scale and they weren't even close to being admiral level, let alone PK tier like Prime WB was.

 

[Hyperion]

These kinds of threads are ignorant.