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OT: OP >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Naruto. It's not even an exaggeration at this point.
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[Discussion] One Piece over Naruto ?
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OT: OP >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Naruto. It's not even an exaggeration at this point.
Naruto has better writing and is more consistent? Yeah man that's why Sakura is repeating the same mistake as before by being obsessed with Sasuke. Just cause Luffy is an idiot doesn't mean sh*t. What's important is his development is that he did mature a lot and developed, unlike 80% of the characters in Naruto.
flyboyissac
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i like naruto better then one piece for the fact one piece will never end it have the most unnecessary chapter
Pell walks away from a ground zero citywide explosion, Enel nails several people with over 60 billion volts and all of them are fine, brownbeard gets shot in the faces at least 6 times, crushed by metal cylinders twice his size then gets shot several more times all in the same day and he's okay, everytime a straw hat takes lethal damage they just eat a meal, take a nap and they are back at 100% I can think of plenty more examples but u get the idea
Also just Cus Luffy is tougher, hardly means he isn't the same guy who practically walks head first into suicide before even trying to weigh his options but makes it out due to PIS.
Every arc he nearly dies. Most of those situations could have been avoided or at the very least approached more carefully.
Also just Cus Luffy is tougher, hardly means he isn't the same guy who practically walks head first into suicide before even trying to weigh his options but makes it out due to PIS.
Every arc he nearly dies. Most of those situations could have been avoided or at the very least approached more carefully.
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Those aren't SH members. BrownBeard/Pell don't have much significance to the overall story, if it was something like Ace surviving Akainu's magma fist, then I'd call prob. call BS. Does that automatically make it a inferior story? No. OP isn't about deaths. Oda doesn't do deaths that often compared to other manga series. OP still has a superior story and better writing than Naruto has. Why do you think narutards get bashed more often than optards? It's cause they praise/hype the series for more than what it actually delivers. This "final" arc isn't even Naruto's greatest arc, I can think of many more. It seems now that it's all about who can pull the greatest jutsu/technique/ability out of their ass than actually working for it. I.E. powerups from the SO6P. These powerups come out of nowhere.
Oh man, you didn't understand what I was telling you. Luffy did mature. (i.e. his fight with Aokiji, Ace's death, etc). That's the point of Luffy's adventure. He made it quite clear that he doesn't mind dying for his dream so if that doesn't answer your concern idk what will. It's more of adventure series not a battle manga.
MartinRico
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You enjoy reading one piece more than Naruto, but want us to give you permission to like it more? I give you permission.
My point is, plot related or not, people in OP, far more often than Naruto, walk away from more damage than they should be able to handle. Usually completely unfazed. Meaning if brownbeard and Pell and papaya etc etc are insignificant, why can't they just die? I think a story where death feels possible is a better written one. Had it not been for the whitebeard arc I probably would have given up on the series.
Yes the main character should be in constant peril. I'm aware of how epics and plot adventures work. However, Luffy would sooner stick his head into a cannon than take a minute to destroy the cannon without risking his life or even better yet, attack the person operating it. I'm not arguing that he shouldn't take risks, just that his that he doesn't have to be quite as stupid as he is.
Otherwise the writing is a matter of preference. I personally think Naruto is at least slightly less silly and full of fantasy than OP which I personally believe lends itself to a better writing style. For example all the over dramatics everyone crying in OP every few minutes can be a little annoying.
Yes the main character should be in constant peril. I'm aware of how epics and plot adventures work. However, Luffy would sooner stick his head into a cannon than take a minute to destroy the cannon without risking his life or even better yet, attack the person operating it. I'm not arguing that he shouldn't take risks, just that his that he doesn't have to be quite as stupid as he is.
Otherwise the writing is a matter of preference. I personally think Naruto is at least slightly less silly and full of fantasy than OP which I personally believe lends itself to a better writing style. For example all the over dramatics everyone crying in OP every few minutes can be a little annoying.
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It's hilarious when you said: "I think a story where death feels possible is a better written one." Death doesn't feel that possible with Edo tensei around, now does it? Deaths in Naruto don't have much of an impact. Look at Neji's death, people barely cared it. Deaths in OP have a much greater significance in Naruto and Oda does an excellent job with having death effecting the story in a positive way. Deaths that impact the story in a good way are much better than just killing off characters for the sake of doing it.
Whether you like it or not he is going to be stupid. He will obviously be more mature but at the end of the series but he'll still keep his personality. Everyone crying in OP? Please elaborate. Naruto finally arc seems so cliche and overdone, which is why I highly disagree it has better writing. Kishi. never really proved himself as a good writer since he used HxH as a template and in Shippuden he had his good moments but mostly bad (especially the TS). The whole idea of one person taking over the world has been done and I was hoping for something a lot better.
it's not killing off characters for the sake of doing it, it's killing off characters so that you are aware that what the plot has declared a "threat" is really a threat. Why would i worry about Luffy after i saw him get impaled through the chest,drained of all bodily fluid, and bleed out like a gallon of blood all in the same day and not even need a week to recover? when you can have people like pell get obliterated and walk away as if it never happened? OP makes it hard to feel like anyone in the series is ever in any real danger. edo tensei doesn't really disrupt my point because it's not permanent without loop holes. and it can't be used if the person didn't die in the first place.
if someone somehow drove a kunai through naruto's skull, i'm pretty sure he'd die. If the same thing happens to Luffy i'd highly doubt he'd even stop fighting. in fact, not just Luffy but, any character at all would probably just put a bandage over the wound and act as if it never happen.
im not getting into the crying but OP is heavy on the tears. but anyway, like i said the writing is a matter of preferance. Cliche doesn't always mean lame IMO. But u know what is? Kicking air really fast to fly!? really!?... there's a reason so many Manga/anime use some sort of "chakra/ki" system... it's so they don't have to come up with ridiculous stuff like that. That's practically a chunk norris joke used seriously in anime/manga form
if someone somehow drove a kunai through naruto's skull, i'm pretty sure he'd die. If the same thing happens to Luffy i'd highly doubt he'd even stop fighting. in fact, not just Luffy but, any character at all would probably just put a bandage over the wound and act as if it never happen.
im not getting into the crying but OP is heavy on the tears. but anyway, like i said the writing is a matter of preferance. Cliche doesn't always mean lame IMO. But u know what is? Kicking air really fast to fly!? really!?... there's a reason so many Manga/anime use some sort of "chakra/ki" system... it's so they don't have to come up with ridiculous stuff like that. That's practically a chunk norris joke used seriously in anime/manga form
i'm not saying either series is bad. i'm a fan of them both. i just disagree with more of what happens in OP than Naruto. Even the art. Subjectively speaking, it's fun. Objectively speaking, it's dumb-er
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Killing someone off to give the readers a sense of danger isn't always the smartest move. It can be done right but not in this case. There's other ways of showing how much of a threat something is than besides death. Killing them off by death seems kind of meh and sometimes unnecessary. Luffy and SH's are heavily protected by plot, just like how team 7 + possibly Kakashi are too (maybe not so much now since it's the "final" arc). Also, you have to realize that OP recently passed the half-way mark (2011 I believe) and it still has a strong 8++ years to go. Oda doesn't need to kill off his characters to give a sense of danger, that's one of the key things that makes him different and IMO better. Regardless if edo is perm. or not, allowing people to have another chance even after death is stupid. *cough* Madara *cough*
Same with Luffy. He would die too, just like how Naruto will die. Naruto is ending so obviously he may die at any given point by the end of the arc but OP has only passed it's half way mark a few years ago & still has years to go, so it's obvious that the SH's are safe for now. Luffy never got serious injuries in his fights, he usually ends up bleeding a lot. The only serious injury he got was by Akainu and the scar is still there so I don't really see what you're trying to argue.
OP is heavy on tears? Please elaborate. The only "heavy tears" we get are usually from flashbacks/deaths and they're necessary. None of the "heavy crying" is unnecessary unless it's for comedic purposes like Usopp joining the crew back. Cliche is usually boring and most of the time it's lame. Yeah and summoning meteorites and potentially killing people with just your eyes, isn't? It's fiction and Oda introduced haki to counter Logia-DF's and give an advantage to non-DF users. Ridiculous? Most of the DF's that Oda introduces are creative. The introduction with DF abilities is amazing and the possibilities are endless! (Similarly to nen from HxH)
DoubleKamui
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You don't have to kill off key character. But if Crocodile couldn't even kill Chaka, how the hell is he a threat to Luffy? They are making all these major threat antagonist into Bada$$es but even the fodder don't die. nothing dies outside of WB and Ace. it doesn't matter what arc your in.. even if we are at the very beginning, plot invincibility shouldn't be that obvious. it pushes the entire series on the kiddy/corny side.
even when you have presumably dead fodder like in the Punk Hazard arc, they always gotta cheese it up at the end and show us that those non important characters will live. reversing that "super lethal" poison... why!? just let them die! this is so Disney. lol
it's over dramatic. flashbacks (which are extremely common) are generally always accompanied by tears. momo and kin, tears. a SH joining, tears. the girl eating all the "candies," tears. getting rid of the merry, tears. Ussop, tears. Nami/arlong arc, tears. Robin "wants to live," tears. Bon clay, tears. please don't make me keep listing cus there is so much more. weather it's necessary or not i guess is up to each person. for me it's overkill. When referring to the anime i'd say damn near every other episode. is crammed full of over dramatics.
Original doesn't equal good. Often a cliche here and there works just fine. Hence why they are called "cliche"... because it's worked in the past more than once.
and what do you mean luffy never gets serious injuries? vs Lucci, vs Croc, vs Magellan, vs Hordy, Marieford he practically died like twice etc etc.. he faces near death constantly. But aside from Marieford arc there's barely ever been a recovery phase. he naps for a sec, eats a turkey leg and he's Good as new.. Sure i understand he's the main character and such but if the characters are gonna act so dramatic, at least the drama be real and not a glorified false alarm 90% of the time.
even when you have presumably dead fodder like in the Punk Hazard arc, they always gotta cheese it up at the end and show us that those non important characters will live. reversing that "super lethal" poison... why!? just let them die! this is so Disney. lol
it's over dramatic. flashbacks (which are extremely common) are generally always accompanied by tears. momo and kin, tears. a SH joining, tears. the girl eating all the "candies," tears. getting rid of the merry, tears. Ussop, tears. Nami/arlong arc, tears. Robin "wants to live," tears. Bon clay, tears. please don't make me keep listing cus there is so much more. weather it's necessary or not i guess is up to each person. for me it's overkill. When referring to the anime i'd say damn near every other episode. is crammed full of over dramatics.
Original doesn't equal good. Often a cliche here and there works just fine. Hence why they are called "cliche"... because it's worked in the past more than once.
and what do you mean luffy never gets serious injuries? vs Lucci, vs Croc, vs Magellan, vs Hordy, Marieford he practically died like twice etc etc.. he faces near death constantly. But aside from Marieford arc there's barely ever been a recovery phase. he naps for a sec, eats a turkey leg and he's Good as new.. Sure i understand he's the main character and such but if the characters are gonna act so dramatic, at least the drama be real and not a glorified false alarm 90% of the time.
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Crocodile could of killed Chaka. He defeated Luffy like 3 times and that's a threat to Luffy obviously. Chaka just merely blocked his attack, that doesn't mean he's stronger. It's like saying Vista blocked Mihawk's attack, therefore he's stronger. It doesn't make sense. People have died besides Ace/WB but seeing how you won't accept deaths in flashbacks then I'll prob. say Vergo/Monet. Plot invincibility does matter and it is obvious in "long-running" series like Naruto/OP, there are other series where main characters are killed off early but Naruto/OP aren't like that. In this case, yes characters are protected by plot to some extent if not greatly.
Those "fodders" make up Smoker's G5 unit. Seeing how Smoker cares about those "fodders" quite greatly and nearly risked his life to fight Vergo, it's nice to see that they're alive. It seems as if you're calling OP childish (which it's clearly not) but let's say for argument sake that OP is childish. So what? Does it make inferior to other series? No. A "childish" series can be just as good a series that's intended for a mature audience. It's all preference, like you said.
You're over exaggerating it quite a bit but you do know that it's mostly dragged out in the anime only, right? It's not like they're crying for no reason. There's reasoning for their tears. What I mean by serious injuries are life-threatening injuries and aside from Akainu's fist he did get them from Magellan back at Impel down (there was a recovery phase for that). Even the recovery phase has costed a few years from his life span. There's barely a recovery phase? What do you want to really see a recovery phase after ever battle him & the SH's has fought in? That would make OP literally an endless series. It's redundant to show it all the time and doing it too much is such a waste. It's off-screen or panel in this case. We already saw "recovery phases" in Impel Down arc, post-MF arc & even FI arc.
