One Piece or Naruto?

[Hyperion]

FAIL, ICv2 is and american base shonen news entity, that calculates manga, anime and dvd sales throughout all of north America, by interview's from manga manufacturer, distributor's and retailer's, stats shows that Naruto is the most bought manga in north america (US, Canada).

which proves my point that most people in the western world rather bleach and naruto, however OP have the most sales overall and thats from people in Europe and Asia, while naruto here in the western world is number 1 in both anime and manga, bleach is second and OP is way at position 8 of the most bought manga.

i provided evidence but i didn't expect much better from OP fanboy. try going to the US, or canada, or the Caribbean, or south America and you'll see the your precious OP is hardly recognized, Naruto is number 1 over here.

It really didn't explain shit.

Not a hero?
Lets compare how many countries Naruto has saved to how many Luffy has saved(not counting fillers):
Naruto: Max 5 countries.
(There are only 5 countries he can save).
Luffy: At least 9
(The island with Cpt. Morgan, the corrupted Marine, he freed the island from his cruel reign.
The island Buggy was occupying.
Didn't really save the town with Usopp, but he did do a great deed there.
Namis home country, saved from Arlongs reign.
Drum Island.
Alabasta.
Skypiea.
Saved all the victims of thriller bark.
Fishman island.)

And tons of more heroic stuff. Even if Luffy doesn't choose to be a hero, he still ends up being the hero.

Naruto didn't start being the "hero" until he saved Konoha from Pain really. He hadn't done much heroic up to that point. And Konoha was really destroyed when he got there, but he did save all the citizens.

Mugi hasn't even used his Text Text No Mi.

It's not deeds that make one a hero, but the character of the person behind those deeds. A hero puts the lives of others as their number one priority, Luffy's heroisms were only the convenient byproducts of his selfish goal of becoming the pirate king. There are many times in which luffy could save people's lives such as helpless marines or pirates, yet he chooses not to. Naruto goes the extra mile countless times for the innocent, even for the enemy. It is the character of a person that makes them a hero and clearly, luffy's character gives a rats a** about the greater good.

Naruto's love for Sasuke created half the mess everyone is in.

 

[Haruno Hyuuga Yamanaka]

It's not deeds that make one a hero, but the character of the person behind those deeds. A hero puts the lives of others as their number one priority, Luffy's heroisms were only the convenient byproducts of his selfish goal of becoming the pirate king. There are many times in which luffy could save people's lives such as helpless marines or pirates, yet he chooses not to. Naruto goes the extra mile countless times for the innocent, even for the enemy. It is the character of a person that makes them a hero and clearly, luffy's character gives a rats a** about the greater good.

Hmm.... so saving Nico Robin, the enemy who had supposedly murdered Igaram, from dying on the arabastian tomb doesn't count?

And his actions in Enies Lobby were not heroic? He went all the way there and declared the WG his enemy and fought the most powerful secret agents just to retrieve one person. And did you see him leaving Franky behind? Or the Franky House guys? Or Paulie and the guys from Galley La?

What about Skypiea? He went to ring the bell even if it costed his life just so Montblanc Cricket could hear it. That shows his care for others. How is that different from what Naruto did?

I could name others, but I'm too lazy to do so and I think my point is clear. Luffy is a hero. End of story.

 

[Mugiwara]

It's not deeds that make one a hero, but the character of the person behind those deeds. A hero puts the lives of others as their number one priority, Luffy's heroisms were only the convenient byproducts of his selfish goal of becoming the pirate king. There are many times in which luffy could save people's lives such as helpless marines or pirates, yet he chooses not to. Naruto goes the extra mile countless times for the innocent, even for the enemy. It is the character of a person that makes them a hero and clearly, luffy's character gives a rats a** about the greater good.

Are you serious?
Luffy would never let someone die right in front of him, whether its a foe, or enemy.
Also, it's not the reasoning behind the rescue that defines the hero, its the fact that he did that deed which makes him a hero.

Gives a rats ass about the greater good? He almost died 3 times trying to save a country, by going up against one of the 7 strongest pirates in the world, because it was the country of his friend....

"There are many times in which luffy could save people's lives such as helpless marines or pirates, yet he chooses not to."
Show me one example where he has chosen to do so.

First he declared war on the world government, the strongest organization in the world, just to rescue one person.
And again, he infiltrated one of the strongest strongholds, the most secure prison in the world, almost dying several times, again to rescue one person. While he was doing that, that person was transferred to the Main headquarters of the Marines to go and rescue him, charging head first into a massive war between pirates and marines.

He went up against a person feared as "God", to try and free a whole country from his reign.

If he was selfish, he wouldn't give two craps about rescuing anyone of those.

He saved a whole village, because he liked the bravery of a dog that was fighting against the ones attacking the village.

Several times throughout the series he has saved several villages because he met someone from one of those villages, and decided that he wanted to help them.


You have clearly only seen 10-15 episodes of One Piece, so how would you possibly know whether the main character is selfish or not.

Even though Luffy doesn't see himself a the hero, his actions are what makes him a hero in the eyes of everyone he saved.

Luffy has never intentionally killed any of his foes, and he cares a great deal for his friends and is willing to go up against the whole world if it means saving them(which he has done several times).

He was even ready to lay down his life in a blink of an eye, because 3 people that saved his life earlier were about to be executed, and he chose to take their place without giving it a second thought.

Clearly you don't know anything about Luffy or One Piece and everything you just wrote about him is complete and utter bullshit.

Likewise, you could say every heroic deed Naruto does is for his own selfish reason.

 

[lanakau888]

^^^^ To these two above.

Its not about actions, its the character behind the actions. Luffy does do heroic things, but he is not a hero since there are many other instances where he could heroic things and chooses not to. Its his character that is not heroic, you can't deny that his ideal goal is not world peace or to fight evil, but just to become the pirate king. This is not the goal of someone who is a hero.

 

[Pain..]

This thread still going?

In fact pick Naruto you might as well like the story line and by the end of the day when Nartuo ends and all the mystery is over with such as who's Tobi you might like it more than One Piece but if you like action i recommend One Piece.

 

[Pain..]

LOL.
LOL.
Japan isn't the place that matters?
If it wasn't for Japan, there'd be no Naruto or no One Piece. If there was no Japan, there'd be no manga or anime..

There are more people watching anime and reading manga in Japan than there are in US.

What has country popularity to do with anything? Japan isn't as popular as US? LOL.. That has no meaning in this discussion.

Also:
"Since its release, One Piece has become the most popular manga series of all time in Japan and one of the most popular manga series worldwide. It is the highest-selling manga of all time in the history of Weekly Shōnen Jump, as well as currently being its most acclaimed manga.[1] In 2010, Shueisha announced that they sold over 230 million volumes of One Piece manga so far; volume 61 set a new record for the highest initial print run of any book in Japan in history with 3.8 million copies (the previous record belonging to volume 60 with 3.4 million copies). Volume 60 is the first book to sell over two million copies in its opening week on Japan's Oricon book rankings.[2] One Piece is currently ranked as the best-selling series of all time in manga history.[3] It enjoys a very high readership, with more than 250 million volumes of the series sold by 2011. One Piece has received wide critical acclaim from reviewers, primarily for its art, characterization, humor and story."
"One Piece is also the first manga to increase Weekly Shōnen Jump's sales in eleven years"
" Volume 61 holds a manga publishing record in Japan, with 3.8 million copies published in its first printing alone, breaking its own previous records established by volumes 57, 59 and 60 (at 3.0, 3.2 and 3.4 million copies respectively)"
" In addition to that, it also broke Japan's all time first print publishing record of all books, passing the previous record of 2.9 million copies, held by Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix."
"Since 2010 One piece has sold 54.8 million copies out of its total of around 250 million copies. This amounted to more than number 2 Naruto, number 3 Kimi ni Todoke, number 4 Fairy Tail, number 5 Bleach, number 6 Bakuman, number 7 Gintama and number 8 Fullmetal Alchemist combined."

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One Piece is THE Manga in Japan. Japan is the heart of all manga and anime.

Also: "Narutard" and "OPtard" ain't insults just as "new***" isn't an insult.

Without Funimation (which i think is a US company) One piece wouldn't even be up to it's chapter.

And we all OPtard, let's face the facts here.

 

[Hyperion]

^^^^ To these two above.

Its not about actions, its the character behind the actions. Luffy does do heroic things, but he is not a hero since there are many other instances where he could heroic things and chooses not to. Its his character that is not heroic, you can't deny that his ideal goal is not world peace or to fight evil, but just to become the pirate king. This is not the goal of someone who is a hero.

I think you should stop.
You don't know anything about Luffy's character.

 

[Mugiwara]

^^^^ To these two above.

Its not about actions, its the character behind the actions. Luffy does do heroic things, but he is not a hero since there are many other instances where he could heroic things and chooses not to. Its his character that is not heroic, you can't deny that his ideal goal is not world peace or to fight evil, but just to become the pirate king. This is not the goal of someone who is a hero.

Show me some examples.
Show me examples where he chooses not to do something heroic and I'll show you just as many examples where Naruto chooses not do to something heroic even when he has the chance to do so.
Becoming the Hokage is? His goal is to be the strongest one in the village, attain the highest title. I'd say their goals are pretty much the same.

And seriously, who you view as a hero is ****ed up. It IS the actions of the man that defines whether he is a hero or not. Not the character.
Someone could declare himself as a hero and be wanting to save the world, and end up saving 1 person, and another person who is actually selfish but has saved 5 people, the person who saved 5 people is a greater hero than the one who only saved 1 but wished to save everyone.
He isn't a hero no matter how much he wishes to save everyone, if he only ends up saving a couple of them. The real hero is the one who saves the most and the one who does the most for whatever reason.
It's not the reason why he saved them that matters, it is the fact that he did save them that matters.

Without Funimation (which i think is a US company) One piece wouldn't even be up to it's chapter.

And we all OPtard, let's face the facts here.

The majority of sales and popularity of One Piece lies in Japan, and it's mostly the manga.
Funimation just recently took over the anime...

It is actually the studio Toei Animation that makes the anime, Funimation just licenses it and hosts it in US.

Weren't you just saying that what matters is US and not Japan? ... o_o I don't think you replied to my reply to you.

 

[LeafSpirit 20]

One Piece.

Only ignorant children would say Naruto.

With all due respect then what are you doing in a naruto forum? Naruto all the way one piece animation and quality don't stand up to it's hype

 

[Dracule]

With all due respect then what are you doing in a naruto forum? Naruto all the way one piece animation and quality don't stand up to it's hype

What kinda fool likes an anime only for animation and quality? OP isn't hyped because of minor stuff like that.
Naruto isn't perfect in that category either.

 

[Hyperion]

With all due respect then what are you doing in a naruto forum? Naruto all the way one piece animation and quality don't stand up to it's hype

I don't understand why f_ckheads keep asking me this.
My statement is correct.

 

[Talk No Jutsu]

With all due respect then what are you doing in a naruto forum? Naruto all the way one piece animation and quality don't stand up to it's hype

Ok ...

Let's get the animation from the same episodes and compare them ...

Naruto Episode 387 (220 + 167)

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and One Piece Episode 387

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or maybe, Shippuden episode 237

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to Latest OP episode

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so you're not the one to talk about animation quality.

 

[LeafSpirit 20]

Lol I don't care that you guys get upset for stating my opinion. It's funny to see people loosing their head and calling people fu&@ heads but oh well... In my opinion op animation quality characters and storyline just don't do it for me.. It's personality as an anime is kinda like those crazy childish playdoh like American cartoons.. A lot of you guys hate great anime like bleach so I have every right to dislike one piece And people that get mad must be insecure of this anime and defend it with their all and try to bite peoples heads off. Everybody has their opinion and I have watched anime since a little kid and have experienced and enjoyed a whole variety troughout the years and one piece is just a no no

 

[Hyperion]

Lol I don't care that you guys get upset for stating my opinion. It's funny to see people loosing their head and calling people fu&@ heads but oh well... In my opinion op animation quality characters and storyline just don't do it for me.. It's personality as an anime is kinda like those crazy childish playdoh like American cartoons.. A lot of you guys hate great anime like bleach so I have every right to dislike one piece And people that get mad must be insecure of this anime and defend it with their all and try to bite peoples heads off. Everybody has their opinion and I have watched anime since a little kid and have experienced and enjoyed a whole variety trueout the years and one piece is just a no no

Child, those words hold no emotion.
You're a no no

 

[Dracule]

Lol I don't care that you guys get upset for stating my opinion. It's funny to see people loosing their head and calling people fu&@ heads but oh well... In my opinion op animation quality characters and storyline just don't do it for me.. It's personality as an anime is kinda like those crazy childish playdoh like American cartoons.. A lot of you guys hate great anime like bleach so I have every right to dislike one piece And people that get mad must be insecure of this anime and defend it with their all and try to bite peoples heads off. Everybody has their opinion and I have watched anime since a little kid and have experienced and enjoyed a whole variety troughout the years and one piece is just a no no

Name one of us here that says we hate Bleach. Go on....
And not to mention, I don't see what Bleach even has to do with this since its nowhere in the title....

 

[LeafSpirit 20]

Lol... Give it a rest you should watch more anime to give yourself an idea as you have no clue... It's kinda stupid to tell off people that prefer a true anime like naruto in a NARUTO forum hyperion....

 

[Zwei]

Lol... Give it a rest you should watch more anime to give yourself an idea as you have no clue... It's kinda stupid to tell off people that prefer a true anime like naruto in a NARUTO forum

True anime? Naruto?

*Laughs my ass off*

 

[Hyperion]

Lol... Give it a rest you should watch more anime to give yourself an idea as you have no clue... It's kinda stupid to tell off people that prefer a true anime like naruto in a NARUTO forum hyperion....

Naruto fan forum, not a Naruto forum.
Naruto takes up barely 20% of this site.

Yours and other childrens ignorance is the reason why this thread got derailed.

 

[LeafSpirit 20]

If you don't like naruto then what are you really doing here?

 

[Dracule]

Lol... Give it a rest you should watch more anime to give yourself an idea as you have no clue... It's kinda stupid to tell off people that prefer a true anime like naruto in a NARUTO forum

I love how he couldn't even answer my simple question...... xd
And watch more anime? Are you serious? I'm not even sure you understand what your trying to say seeing as I have watched over at least 15 different anime (three of which I like more than Naruto). And a "true" anime? That doesn't even make sense.....