[Discussion] One Piece Movies: Strong World & Film Z (Status and Preference)

Canon or Non-canon?

  • Film Z is canon but not Strong World

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I create this room for anybody to argue discuss either these two movies; Strong World and Film Z are canon or not, or perhaps one of them is canon and whatnot.

WHY ONLY THESE TWO MOVIES?
Because they both have Odacchi involvement the most than other One Piece movies so far.

WHAT'S THE POINT OF DETERMINING THEIR STATUS?
Not really determining/judging, just giving opinions, so that we have some valid points to show and untie the mash of confusion among the fans, since there's a lot of information in them seem parallel with the canon manga version.

I NEVER WATCH THESE MOVIES (」゜ロ゜)」
Then go out there and watch them now! LOL I'll help you by explaining them below. Please read these brief summaries as follow:---

One Piece 10th movie: STRONG WORLD

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The story drives on one of Gol D Roger's rival, Golden Lion Shiki whom is a devil fruit user. After his miraculous escape from Impel Down two years since Roger's execution, Shiki intends to get back at the world, especially World Government and Marines, hence decides a plan to conquer them all; the sea, the people. His plan however, takes 20 years to be achieved, thus he makes his own place which floats in the sky in the meantime to operate it. As two decades passed by, he's fated to meet the Strawhats out in the open sea, where at the same time our main characters are worried when there's a news about East Blue villages have been attacked with some mysterious enemies. Shiki offers to help them reach EB with his power, until he reveals his real motive of aiding them just to abduct Nami and makes her his own crew due to her high knowledge in navigating & weather prediction. It's up to our protagonists to save their navigator from Shiki's hand, though little do they know, there's more consequences than they're ever imagined.

It's suggested by fans this movie may take place between Thriller Bark arc and Sabaody Archipelago arc.


One Piece 12th movie: FILM Z

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The story revolves around a veteran called himself Z, a former Marine Admiral, now leading his own illegal marine team after he quit the organisation due to some reasons. It just so happens that he attempts to destroy the New World by using the Dyna Stone, which said to be comparable with ancient weapon power and under Marine's supervision. He's near to accomplish his goal when the Strawhats appear in his way, disturbing his effort with an obvious different reason to defeat him. Z explains his intention and hatred on pirates to our protagonists, but does Luffy gives a crap about it? Definitely no, especially to someone that provokes his dream and also stomp on his precious strawhat, hence his objective to beat Z to a pulp.

It's suggested by fans this movie may take place after TS, probably between Fishmen Island and Punk Hazard.


WHAT NOW?
Throws your opinion here and discuss these over in any way you want but without offend someone's point outright flat. NB rules also applied. By the way, you can state which one is your favourite. :heh:

©Eiichiro Oda/Shueisha, Toei Animation, Funimation

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1 make a poll.
2. Yes they are both cannon. The shichbukai the seventh one has been called in manga the one to take Z arms.
 

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Why is this so hard for people to understand?
No films are canon except some parts from Film Z such as the things about the seventh Shichibukai and the fact there is a character named Zephyr who was a former Admiral and looks like he does in the film...that's it.

Also, Z is obviously the better of the two films U___U
 

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Z is far better I'd say. The animation is Z is wow. Z is canon. Chapter 0 is canon. Not sure about strong world though. Personally, I find it weird that someone like Shiki (Roger and WB's rival who was definitely admiral level), even though past his prime, lost to pre TS Luffy.
 

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They re not cannon. They would be cannon if story of the fimls can fit somewhere in the manga. But they can't.
 

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Both are Cannon...
Z is better,

1- Strong World cannot be b/w TB and SA because Zoro fought perfectly in SW but couldn't after TB...
2- It's a major PnJ that Luffy defeated Shiki, but maybe afterwards Shiki wasn't all tough even in Roger's Era, he heavily depended on his army-like crew...
 

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I assume both are non canon.
The reason why most information in the movies including the backstories and character designs are parallel to canon manga is because Odacchi keep them as such, to avoid conflict with his mainstream manga version. The fact that both movies aren't fit in any part of manga just strengthen the point, though Odacchi did want them to be included. Unfortunately he couldn't find the right moment to blend them in with the current pace at the time.
 

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It's impossible for Z to be canon

Not possible.
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Here they still have the fish they got while leaving Fishman Island, which clearly wasn't present during Film Z.
Immediately after this page, they get the call on the Den Den Mushi from Kinemon, and they head straight to Punk Hazard.

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It's not like they spent a lot of time going to Punk Hazard, it was right there
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Film Z doesn't fit in the story.
 

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1 make a poll.
2. Yes they are both cannon. The shichbukai the seventh one has been called in manga the one to take Z arms.

Was that in the SBS?

OT: The Z movie was made before they got to Fisherman Island....

Red Hawk wasn't in yet
 

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Was that in the SBS?

OT: The Z movie was made before they got to Fisherman Island....

Red Hawk wasn't in yet

That's also impossible since Film Z is set in the New World and the Strawhats went through Fishman Island to get to the New World.
 

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That's also impossible since Film Z is set in the New World and the Strawhats went through Fishman Island to get to the New World.

Ya, fisherman island isn't in the new world yet but that's when the movie was made right?
 

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They are cannon to en extent and the back story of the movies are cannon but the overall movie(s) itself isn't cannon
 

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That's not how you determine the placement of a movie dude...

Placement was right out of fishermen island, I already knew that.

It was when the movie was made or came out that I was referring to.
 

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Placement was right out of fishermen island, I already knew that.

It was when the movie was made or came out that I was referring to.

Except no, Punk Hazard was right out of Fishman Island.
 

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Except no, Punk Hazard was right out of Fishman Island.

Well yes in Canon (manga), but the movie it didn't...

After fishermen island was the filler about some Neo Navy working under Z himself.

That is when the movie was suppose to merge with the story.
 

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Well yes in Canon (manga), but the movie it didn't...

After fishermen island was the filler about some Neo Navy working under Z himself.

That is when the movie was suppose to merge with the story.

Yeah. But it's not part of the story.
 
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