[Predictions] One Piece Manga Chapter 870 Discussion and 871 Predictions

[Punk Hazard]

I wasn't replying to what he said but what you said, you said they escaped from a Yonko but that's not true since they never came face to face with the Yonko only her subordinates. If you expect replies to you to adhere to his original wording then maybe you shouldn't change it. If you meant they all escaped from Yonko territory than that's what you should have said because what you said is technically incorrect.

eeh only if we're talking in escaped their authority and not escaping them the person since Teach did that at night and snuck out.

Potato potato. He said no one's escaped from Yonko territory, I listed four people who have. You good or nah?

 

[LBeezy]

Potato potato. He said no one's escaped from Yonko territory, I listed four people who have. You good or nah?

I'm feelin the new ava bro..

 

[Dannie]

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"I've learned nothing from Ace's death." - Luffy

 

[LBeezy]

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"I've learned nothing from Ace's death." - Luffy

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[Dannie]

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You can't prove it wrong so you use memes, neat.

 

[LBeezy]

You can't prove it wrong so you use memes, neat.

Prove what wrong?

lol

What you posted makes no sense..

 

[Mystikk]

Potato potato. He said no one's escaped from Yonko territory, I listed four people who have. You good or nah?

Your point is??? You stated your own answer out of my opinion, that clearly we both knew. -_-

Also I said anyone who thinks they can walk in yonko territory and just walk out is stupid. I never said no one escaped.. you said that mouth mover!

I'm hoping to see luffys awakening in the chapters to come, or maybe we will see some new form of gear 4th again!!!!

Lol Bigmom Fanboys keep saying luffy will run and lose, but he keeps doing the exact opposite hahaha... priceless!!

 

[Dannie]

Prove what wrong?

lol

What you posted makes no sense..

I thought it made good sense.

After Ace died, Jimbei had to snap some sense into Luffy and make him realize that he is still way too weak to take on top tier opponents and be reckless. Now that Luffy has acquired a little bit of power after the timeskip, he still has this dumb idea of arrogance and stupidity that he can take on everyone, even yonko's at his current level, even after we have clearly seen his piss poor performance against Cracker, so how do you think it is smart for Luffy to say that he can go outside and beat everyone? lol

If Luffy would have taken even a little bit of what happened to his comrades against Kuma and during the battle on Marineford, then he wouldn't pick fights with top dogs who would clearly beat him in a 1 on 1.

Your point is??? You stated your own answer out of my opinion, that clearly we both knew. -_-

I'm hoping to see luffys awakening in the chapters to come, or maybe we will see some new form of gear 4th again!!!!

Lol Bigmom Fanboys keep saying luffy will run and lose, but he keeps doing the exact opposite hahaha... priceless!!

Why would Luffy awaken so early when we still have much more to get through, and why are you assuming that everyone are BM fanboys just because you want to see Luffy "kick everyones asses."

Also, you're absolutely right. Luffy knows that he can win, which is why he needed to escape inside of Big Father because he is totally gonna win.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Your point is??? You stated your own answer out of my opinion, that clearly we both knew. -_-

Also I said anyone who thinks they can walk in yonko territory and just walk out is stupid. I never said no one escaped.. you said that mouth mover!

I'm hoping to see luffys awakening in the chapters to come, or maybe we will see some new form of gear 4th again!!!!

Lol Bigmom Fanboys keep saying luffy will run and lose, but he keeps doing the exact opposite hahaha... priceless!!

***** what? You said no one has escaped from Yonko territory. I listed four examples of people who have. You never said a thing about walking out, you said escape.

 

[LBeezy]

I thought it made good sense.

I'm sorry I just didn't see how the two situations had any connection..

After Ace died,

Ace's death was his own fault though.. Luffy, WB and co. actually did manage to save Ace from his execution..

Luffy did extremely well in MF given his age and status in the world.. not to mention when compared to what other characters did during that battle.

Jimbei had to snap some sense into Luffy and make him realize that he is still way too weak to take on top tier opponents and be reckless.

Jinbei was snapping Luffy out of the tragic loss of his brother.. reminding him that he still had his friends to live for.

It had nothing to do with power and "top tier opponents".

Now that Luffy has acquired a little bit of power after the timeskip, he still has this dumb idea of arrogance and stupidity that he can take on everyone, even yonko's at his current level, even after we have clearly seen his piss poor performance against Cracker, so how do you think it is smart for Luffy to say that he can go outside and beat everyone? lol

It's not that it's "smart" for Luffy to say that.. but it's true to his personality and who he his.

His willpower/determination is one of the main characteristics that other characters like about him.. the only ones who really have a problem with it is sometimes certain members of his crew (because they are scared and it's mostly comedic) or his enemies who end up losing to Luffy in the end.

No one thinks it's "stupidity" or a "dumb idea of arrogance".. in fact, it's the other way around.. most characters respect and admire Luffy because of his attitude and way of thinking.

If Luffy would have taken even a little bit of what happened to his comrades against Kuma and during the battle on Marineford, then he wouldn't pick fights with top dogs who would clearly beat him in a 1 on 1.

It's literally the opposite.

What happened with Kuma and MF taught Luffy and the SH's the valuable lesson of how weak they were and that they needed to get stronger.

They now have indeed become stronger, and losing or running away is a thing of the past.

If you don't want to see Luffy and the SH's winning and progressing in their world then Dannie, I suggest you just stop reading One Piece now.. cause you're in for a rude awakening homie..

 

[WhistleBlower]

Hype up chapter. Lets see in a couple of days how much hype it had in its roots!

 

[Dannie]

Ace's death was his own fault though.. Luffy, WB and co. actually did manage to save Ace from his execution..

Luffy did extremely well in MF given his age and status in the world.. not to mention when compared to what other characters did during that battle.

You didn't get the meaning of my post, I guess. How Ace died and what happened on MF isn't the issue. Why Luffy decided to get stronger AFTER what happened on MF and Sabaody, and deciding that it was time to get serious and stop ****ing around because there are clearly stronger enemies that he can't handle is what I'm talking about.

But nope, your boy wants to pick fights with yonkos and act like he can take on anyone now.

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But we saw how well that worked out right? Dude gets locked in a cage made to look like one of BM's pets and still wants to talk shit.

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Lol, then he starts to underestimate BM saying she can't be cocky for being a "yonko."

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But how did he escape from the prison? Oh right, it was Jimbei who rescued him.

It's really funny how Luffy has made it known several times that he will kick BM's ass and yet he still hasn't done it yet, and then he needs to tag team with Bege just to "escape." Why didn't Luffy just stay outside and fight BM and company? Why go hide inside Big Father knowing that he can "defeat BM"?

If Nami would've let Luffy go out there and "beat them all up to a pulp" what do you think would have happened to Luffy?

Also funny how more of BM's strength we see, the more Luffy becomes scared shitless, I mean look at that face.

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It's not that it's "smart" for Luffy to say that.. but it's true to his personality and who he his.

His willpower/determination is one of the main characteristics that other characters like about him.. the only ones who really have a problem with it is sometimes certain members of his crew (because they are scared and it's mostly comedic) or his enemies who end up losing to Luffy in the end.

No one thinks it's "stupidity" or a "dumb idea of arrogance".. in fact, it's the other way around.. most characters respect and admire Luffy because of his attitude and way of thinking.

If he can struggle with one commander, and then thinks he can go out and take on 2 commanders and a yonko then yes, that is stupidity. And that's exactly why he needs someone like Nami to keep him from getting killed since he obviously isn't ready to face a yonko by himself.

It's literally the opposite.

What happened with Kuma and MF taught Luffy and the SH's the valuable lesson of how weak they were and that they needed to get stronger.

They now have indeed become stronger, and losing or running away is a thing of the past.

If you don't want to see Luffy and the SH's winning and progressing in their world then Dannie, I suggest you just stop reading One Piece now.. cause you're in for a rude awakening homie..

And yet Luffy has learned nothing from that incident which was my original point.

>2 years of training to learn the basics of haki and a new gear is not enough to fight a yonko alone, and this was proven in his battle with Doffy which he had heavy assistance in, and in his bout with Cracker which he also had assistance in.
If Luffy can't see the obvious patterns that he isn't ready to make threats to big fighters then he hasn't learned anything.

If you are too weak to fight, why would you stay, make dumb threats and then get killed. Better to make a plan of escape and get off the island, or.. or... maybe.. just maybe, don't intrude on yonko territory.

We have seen Luffy progress and win/lose for 870 chapters, so I am not seeing how much more you need. It's like every main villain, you expect Luffy to fight and defeat them, which is why you are blinded by your own fanboyism and delusions. If in fact Luffy was stronger than Big Mom, then I wouldn't have any problem in him fighting and defeating her, but that isn't the case now.

If Luffy fights BM right now then it will just be another "Luffy vs Crocodile" episode except this time Luffy won't get any lucky advantages.

 

[LBeezy]

You didn't get the meaning of my post, I guess.

I really didn't.. but I'm trying to be open minded.. I just still don't see how Ace being killed has anything to do with Luffy wanting to go out and fight Big Mom and her crew.

Luffy has been like that since the first chapter.. Ace died well after that...

How Ace died and what happened on MF isn't the issue. Why Luffy decided to get stronger AFTER what happened on MF and Sabaody, and deciding that it was time to get serious and stop ****ing around because there are clearly stronger enemies that he can't handle is what I'm talking about.

But nope, your boy wants to pick fights with yonkos and act like he can take on anyone now.

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But we saw how well that worked out right? Dude gets locked in a cage made to look like one of BM's pets and still wants to talk shit.

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Lol, then he starts to underestimate BM saying she can't be cocky for being a "yonko."

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But how did he escape from the prison? Oh right, it was Jimbei who rescued him.

It's really funny how Luffy has made it known several times that he will kick BM's ass and yet he still hasn't done it yet, and then he needs to tag team with Bege just to "escape." Why didn't Luffy just stay outside and fight BM and company? Why go hide inside Big Father knowing that he can "defeat BM"?

@bold it's called story telling.. you act like this arc is over...

If Nami would've let Luffy go out there and "beat them all up to a pulp" what do you think would have happened to Luffy?

My guess is that other characters would have jumped out of Bege as well and it would be a battle royale.. (similar to what we have starting up right now it seems)

Also funny how more of BM's strength we see, the more Luffy becomes scared shitless, I mean look at that face.

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Holy crap, you really think that's Luffy "scared shitless"??

That was his reaction to what happened.. and he's been FAR from scared of Big Mom... for.. basically his whole life. lol

If he can struggle with one commander, and then thinks he can go out and take on 2 commanders and a yonko then yes, that is stupidity. And that's exactly why he needs someone like Nami to keep him from getting killed since he obviously isn't ready to face a yonko by himself.




And yet Luffy has learned nothing from that incident which was my original point.

>2 years of training to learn the basics of haki and a new gear is not enough to fight a yonko alone, and this was proven in his battle with Doffy which he had heavy assistance in, and in his bout with Cracker which he also had assistance in.
If Luffy can't see the obvious patterns that he isn't ready to make threats to big fighters then he hasn't learned anything.

Luffy's assistance vs Doflamingo = Doflamingo's assistance vs Luffy

It was never truly a 1v1.. and when it did boil down to just Luffy and Doflamingo giving everything they got, Luffy put Doflamingo to sleep. End of story.


Nami barely did anything in the fight with Cracker although, yes, she did help.. but you're acting like Cracker was one fighter. Due to his DF he was able to create so many biscuit soldiers that it was technically never a 1v1 to begin with.. so how is ONE Luffy fair against tons of biscuit soldiers? That's an obvious reason why Oda would have Luffy and Nami work together to take Cracker down.. besides, from a plot standpoint, Cracker was meant to keep Luffy busy for X amount of time anyway.. Yonko commanders shouldn't be defeated too quickly by ANY character.

If you are too weak to fight, why would you stay, make dumb threats and then get killed. Better to make a plan of escape and get off the island, or.. or... maybe.. just maybe, don't intrude on yonko territory.

But......... Luffy's not "too weak to fight".. and they already intruded the Yonko's territory, so this is the reality for them right now.

If escaping isn't a simple task, fighting their way out might just be the only way to leave freely. (Especially when members from both parties actually WANT to fight each other.. and Luffy doesn't want to run away from enemies any more.)

We have seen Luffy progress and win/lose for 870 chapters, so I am not seeing how much more you need. It's like every main villain, you expect Luffy to fight and defeat them,

I don't think anyone expected Luffy to singlehandedly defeat everyone at MF..

Or defeat Kizaru in Sabaody..

Or take out the whole Buster Call at EL..

Or completely destroy BlackBeard in ID..


Most fans only want Luffy to win and beat the villain of the arc if it's reasonable and within his means.

Right now, whether you like it or not, taking down Big Mom here and now is possible.

which is why you are blinded by your own fanboyism and delusions. If in fact Luffy was stronger than Big Mom, then I wouldn't have any problem in him fighting and defeating her, but that isn't the case now.

If Luffy fights BM right now then it will just be another "Luffy vs Crocodile" episode except this time Luffy won't get any lucky advantages.

But no one in their world would have expected Luffy to beat Crocodile..

Just like Rob Lucci..

Or Moriah..

Etc.. Etc..

No one expects Luffy to win these fights.. that's why when he does, many are in shock and his bounty keeps going up. lol


So far, BM's DF is worthless against people who do not fear her.

After that, what does she seem to have? Physical power. All of her attacks that aren't soul related are regular shit.. her fighting style just seems to be punches, etc.

This is Luffy's type of fight.

Along with the help of other characters there, Big Mom can be defeated. (Heck, some of her sweet commanders or other strong crew members can still be standing at the end.. but once they see Big Mom knocked out who knows how they'll react.. not to mention what happens to all of the souls and homies if BM is knocked unconscious.. since we don't know yet, it's safe to say that anything can happen.)


Have faith in Oda.

Regardless of how this arc ends, I can bet on one thing being a fact.... and that's the fact that it'll be amazing and epic as usual.

 

[Mystikk]

I thought it made good sense.

After Ace died, Jimbei had to snap some sense into Luffy and make him realize that he is still way too weak to take on top tier opponents and be reckless. Now that Luffy has acquired a little bit of power after the timeskip, he still has this dumb idea of arrogance and stupidity that he can take on everyone, even yonko's at his current level, even after we have clearly seen his piss poor performance against Cracker, so how do you think it is smart for Luffy to say that he can go outside and beat everyone? lol

If Luffy would have taken even a little bit of what happened to his comrades against Kuma and during the battle on Marineford, then he wouldn't pick fights with top dogs who would clearly beat him in a 1 on 1.



Why would Luffy awaken so early when we still have much more to get through, and why are you assuming that everyone are BM fanboys just because you want to see Luffy "kick everyones asses."

Also, you're absolutely right. Luffy knows that he can win, which is why he needed to escape inside of Big Father because he is totally gonna win.

He needed a plan because of all the extra people with him soon as the plan went to shiiit AGAIN !!! he did what??? Went strait after bigmom so shut up bro your points are meaningless to me.

Every time you try to hype bigmom up you just look more like a fanboy.. and I don't wanna see luffy beat everyone up more like Zorro but at least ion want luffy to lose like you do idiot.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Y'all just dumb as hell.

Ace died because he rushed in against an opponent out of his league when escaping was the right option.

Dannie saying Luffy learned nothing because he's currently rushing in against an opponent out of his league when escaping is the right option.

Feel like a special ed teacher, having to explain this.

 

[LBeezy]

Y'all just dumb as hell.

Ace died because he rushed in against an opponent out of his league when escaping was the right option.

Dannie saying Luffy learned nothing because he's currently rushing in against an opponent out of his league when escaping is the right option.

Feel like a special ed teacher, having to explain this.

Nah.. just special ed.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Luffy's assistance vs Doflamingo = Doflamingo's assistance vs Luffy

It was never truly a 1v1.. and when it did boil down to just Luffy and Doflamingo giving everything they got, Luffy put Doflamingo to sleep. End of story.

So very wrong. Doflamingo's "assistance" were Bellamy and Trebol. Trebol did no damage to Luffy whatsoever, and the damage Bellamy did to Luffy is weaker than both Gamma Knife(meaning Luffy wasn't as weakened as Doflamingo) and Doflamingo's Awakening(meaning if Bellamy wasn't available, Doflamingo could have used Awakening off the bat to weaken Luffy just as much, or even more, through is own power.)

Luffy threw everything he had at Doflamingo, and the result was him fast asleep as Doflamino was marching towards him with Awakened strings primed to strike. Luffy is very much weaker than Doflamingo.

Nami barely did anything in the fight with Cracker although, yes, she did help..

Luffy couldn't beat Cracker by overpowering him, so he made it a game of stamina. Luffy needed to eat Cracker's biscuits in order to keep his stamina up, and he was only able to eat the biscuits because Nami soaked them. She made that fight in Luffy's favor. Without her, Luffy was undoubtedly losing.

but you're acting like Cracker was one fighter. Due to his DF he was able to create so many biscuit soldiers that it was technically never a 1v1 to begin with.. so how is ONE Luffy fair against tons of biscuit soldiers? That's an obvious reason why Oda would have Luffy and Nami work together to take Cracker down.. besides, from a plot standpoint, Cracker was meant to keep Luffy busy for X amount of time anyway.. Yonko commanders shouldn't be defeated too quickly by ANY character.

This logic is faulty. A character making an army out of DF constructs is still a 1 vs 1 because those constructs fall under his power. It's like saying Doflamingo making five strings to slash Luffy means it's now a 6 vs 1, which is stupid as shit. The biscuit soldiers all fall under Cracker, they're not an external party to Cracker. Oda made it a 2 vs 1(Luffy and Nami vs Cracker) because Luffy couldn't win on his own.

But......... Luffy's not "too weak to fight".. and they already intruded the Yonko's territory, so this is the reality for them right now.

If escaping isn't a simple task, fighting their way out might just be the only way to leave freely. (Especially when members from both parties actually WANT to fight each other.. and Luffy doesn't want to run away from enemies any more.)

Luffy is fully willing to escape.

I don't think anyone expected Luffy to singlehandedly defeat everyone at MF..

Or defeat Kizaru in Sabaody..

Or take out the whole Buster Call at EL..

Or completely destroy BlackBeard in ID..


Most fans only want Luffy to win and beat the villain of the arc if it's reasonable and within his means.

Too bad it's not reasonable or within his means to defeat Big Mom.

Right now, whether you like it or not, taking down Big Mom here and now is possible.

Luffy has been portrayed as weaker, having a hard time with two of her subordinates who are below her in power.

 

[adeerays]

So very wrong. Doflamingo's "assistance" were Bellamy and Trebol. Trebol did no damage to Luffy whatsoever, and the damage Bellamy did to Luffy is weaker than both Gamma Knife(meaning Luffy wasn't as weakened as Doflamingo) and Doflamingo's Awakening(meaning if Bellamy wasn't available, Doflamingo could have used Awakening off the bat to weaken Luffy just as much, or even more, through is own power.)

Luffy threw everything he had at Doflamingo, and the result was him fast asleep as Doflamino was marching towards him with Awakened strings primed to strike. Luffy is very much weaker than Doflamingo.


Luffy couldn't beat Cracker by overpowering him, so he made it a game of stamina. Luffy needed to eat Cracker's biscuits in order to keep his stamina up, and he was only able to eat the biscuits because Nami soaked them. She made that fight in Luffy's favor. Without her, Luffy was undoubtedly losing.


This logic is faulty. A character making an army out of DF constructs is still a 1 vs 1 because those constructs fall under his power. It's like saying Doflamingo making five strings to slash Luffy means it's now a 6 vs 1, which is stupid as shit. The biscuit soldiers all fall under Cracker, they're not an external party to Cracker. Oda made it a 2 vs 1(Luffy and Nami vs Cracker) because Luffy couldn't win on his own.



Luffy is fully willing to escape.



Too bad it's not reasonable or within his means to defeat Big Mom.


Luffy has been portrayed as weaker, having a hard time with two of her subordinates who are below her in power.

I believe, that in very group/team of people every character has a roll. Even the lead cannot (in most scenario) can take on all type of enemies. So that is why characters with different types of abilities are there in every group in OP. So luffy doesnt have to fight all and/or the commanders he was struggling with are not meant to be fought by him alone or by him at all. Like the ghost lady, who troubled everyone in Thriller Bark Arc had no effect on Usopp.

I agree with the bro that it is just the start. lets get things unfold and all will definitely amazed with the story progressing.

Also Luffy has a tendency shown in various chapters before to step up his skills (though not exactly how his enemies were having) based/learned from their enemies.

 

[WoldOfFingo]

Thank God Oda is the one writing the story.. If it were for many on NB the sight of any stronger enemy means a flee on sight order

 

[Love Cook]

Thank God Oda is the one writing the story.. If it were for many on NB the sight of any stronger enemy means YOLO I'm the main character I will win anyway.