[Predictions] One Piece Manga Chapter 823 Discussion and 824 Predictions

[Punk Hazard]

Is it sad that Luffy do nothing like a captain despite being the captain?

Incorrect. Dealings with other crews are settled by him, both those of conflict and those that are amicable. He protects his crew, as a captain should, and exercises the ultimate authority that comes with being captain. Not at all in the same boat as this alleged first mate.

I don't care about the firstmate thing for now. The purpose of my reply is to show who the strawhats consider the highest authority when Luffy isn't there. And this "Zoro and the others" clearly shows that. It's actually kinda sad though that when you have no reply, you can't even admit you're wrong

Except I'm not wrong? How does saying "Zoro and the others" mean Zoro is a figure of authority? He can't order them around, especially if Sanji is there or if it's with Nami and Usopp who'd protest to his more extreme ideals.

 

[Bogard]

Incorrect. Dealings with other crews are settled by him, both those of conflict and those that are amicable. He protects his crew, as a captain should, and exercises the ultimate authority that comes with being captain. Not at all in the same boat as this alleged first mate.

He can do that due to his strength, as the strongest of the crew, which is why when Luffy isn't there, the second strongest of the crew replace him for that role(Zoro vs Kuma)

Except I'm not wrong? How does saying "Zoro and the others" mean Zoro is a figure of authority? He can't order them around, especially if Sanji is there or if it's with Nami and Usopp who'd protest to his more extreme ideals.

Because he is the first one they reach for when Luffy isn't there? Or what do you think it means? You want me to show the panels where the strawhats name it "Zoro's group" instead to convince you? Zoro ordered them when he captured Neptune and the rest of the fishmen in Ryugu palace, started negociation in order for the strawhats to leave the island. Sanji was the one who led the strawhats to Zou. This no-authority in the strawhats bullshit of yours needs to stop

 

[Punk Hazard]

He can do that due to his strength, as the strongest of the crew, which is why when Luffy isn't there, the second strongest of the crew replace him for that role(Zoro vs Kuma)

The problem with Big Mom had nothing to do with his strength. The alliance with Law was based on Law's observations about the crew's capabilities as a whole, not just Luffy. Most of the people who end up aiding Luffy do so because of his charisma. They respect his authority because he built the crew, and that makes him captain, not just because he's the strongest.

Because he is the first one they reach for when Luffy isn't there? Or what do you think it means? You want me to show the panels where the strawhats name it "Zoro's group" instead to convince you? Zoro ordered them when he captured Neptune and the rest of the fishmen in Ryugu palace, started negociation in order for the strawhats to leave the island. Sanji was the one who led the strawhats to Zou. This no-authority in the strawhats bullshit of yours needs to stop

I've noticed that you've only linked panels where dialogue allegedly alludes to Zoro being the first mate, but never any where he's acting out the actions of a first mate. Hmm I wonder why that is.

 

[loj]

LOL Riker this is stupid...did Zoro do anything to you to hate him so much to deny the obvious?

You are telling me Sanji wouldn't listen to Zoro? But same Sanji did agree with Zoro in Water 7.I find it funny how you said that about Sanji probs thinking of their rivalry...Sanji would indeed listen to Zoro.

Zoro is pictured and seen as first mate in OP world.Denying manga facts is just stupid...

Barto's line pretty much confirmed it even with saying (by me) It's Oda who said it.The creator of One Piece.Two times it's said that Zoro is the first mate.

Bartolomeo and Urogue.

 

[Punk Hazard]

LOL Riker this is stupid...did Zoro do anything to you to hate him so much to deny the obvious?

I wish there was a vid of Jeremy from CinemaSins sighing.

You are telling me Sanji wouldn't listen to Zoro? But same Sanji did agree with Zoro in Water 7.I find it funny how you said that about Sanji probs thinking of their rivalry...Sanji would indeed listen to Zoro.

You're telling me Sanji would just follow every little thing Zoro says? Sanji would never pitch his ideas or at the very least argue with Zoro? Zoro would never go along with any of Sanji's ideas?

Zoro is pictured and seen as first mate in OP world.Denying manga facts is just stupid...

Two people who aren't credible=entire OP world? Good to know.

Barto's line pretty much confirmed it even with saying (by me) It's Oda who said it.The creator of One Piece.Two times it's said that Zoro is the first mate.

Ohhh so a character saying something means that's Oda saying something? I guess when Enel said his will alone created the One Piece Universe, that was Oda saying he did. Or when Bellamy told Luffy Skypeia didn't exist, that was Oda confirming it doesn't. Or when Akainu said Whitebeard is nothing but a loser and trash, that was Oda saying Whitebeard is nothing but a loser and trash. Not to mention Akainu saying Luffy and Ace deserve to die and Usopp's lies and Spandam saying Robin should absolutely die. The list just goes on and on.

While we're at it, I bet Jehovah really saved Luffy by Barto's words that the lightning bolt was from God and that Zoro really did chop up all of Enies Lobby.

 

[loj]

I wish there was a vid of Jeremy from CinemaSins sighing.



You're telling me Sanji would just follow every little thing Zoro says? Sanji would never pitch his ideas or at the very least argue with Zoro? Zoro would never go along with any of Sanji's ideas?


Two people who aren't credible=entire OP world? Good to know.



Ohhh so a character saying something means that's Oda saying something? I guess when Enel said his will alone created the One Piece Universe, that was Oda saying he did. Or when Bellamy told Luffy Skypeia didn't exist, that was Oda confirming it doesn't. Or when Akainu said Whitebeard is nothing but a loser and trash, that was Oda saying Whitebeard is nothing but a loser and trash. Not to mention Akainu saying Luffy and Ace deserve to die and Usopp's lies and Spandam saying Robin should absolutely die. The list just goes on and on.

While we're at it, I bet Jehovah really saved Luffy by Barto's words that the lightning bolt was from God and that Zoro really did chop up all of Enies Lobby.

Yes Sanji wouls listen to Zoro...Sanji is not stupid for God sakes...

Literally Oda threw you twice the situation about Zoro in your face and you are still denying it...I should be the one sighing not you...

 

[Punk Hazard]

Yes Sanji wouls listen to Zoro...Sanji is not stupid for God sakes...

That's not what I asked you.

Literally Oda threw you twice the situation about Zoro in your face and you are still denying it...I should be the one sighing not you...

Hold on, lemme find the multiple scans of Akainu calling pirates like WB and Luffy trash who deserve to die and the many panels of Enel asserting himself as a divine being and the many panels of Bellamy renouncing Skypeia's existence and the many panels of CP9 saying Robin deserves to die and is a demon. Cuz it being said more than once means it's true.

 

[LBeezy]

First Mate is another term for the Vice Captain. The difference between saying "Zoro is the First Mate" and "Zoro is the first mate to join" is basically the same as the difference between "Michelle Obama is the First Lady," and "The first lady to ever date Barack was so and so."

You'd be correct in saying Zoro is the first mate meaning he's the first person to be in the crew, but not with the formal title of First Mate. It's a tricky thing to explain.

Oohhhh okay.. thank you for clearing that up for me. Yeah I see what you mean by it being tricky.. cause I didn't know that the "First Mate" was the same thing as a "Vice Captain". But I thought that the First Mate was always the first person to join the captain and start the crew..

Kinemon for first mate confirmed according to latest chapter apparently. What a useful thing those little diagrams, didn't know you could use them for stuff like that.

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I'm sorry but this was a horrible example for you to use.. mainly because it actually feeds into what Bogard is saying.

Look at the scan again.. and closely...

The SH's split up into two groups. One group is represented by Luffy the captain.. and the other group is represented by Zoro..

It's Kinemon's team of course, but Oda clearly shows Law representing himself and the heart pirates, and Zoro representing the SH's.. (Which is something, as Bogard already proved, that Oda does quite often.)

 

[Skull Knight]

Oohhhh okay.. thank you for clearing that up for me. Yeah I see what you mean by it being tricky.. cause I didn't know that the "First Mate" was the same thing as a "Vice Captain". But I thought that the First Mate was always the first person to join the captain and start the crew..

Bro FM is someone who is 2nd in command on a ship. His primary duties is to supervise deck crew.The mate is responsible for the safety and security of the ship as well as the welfare of the crew on board.The chief mate also trains the crew and cadets on various aspects like safety, firefighting, search and rescue, and various other contingencies. The chief officer/First mate assumes command of the whole ship in the absence or incapacitation of the captain.
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[ToshiZO]

"waaaa waaa waaaa"

 

[loj]

That's not what I asked you.



Hold on, lemme find the multiple scans of Akainu calling pirates like WB and Luffy trash who deserve to die and the many panels of Enel asserting himself as a divine being and the many panels of Bellamy renouncing Skypeia's existence and the many panels of CP9 saying Robin deserves to die and is a demon. Cuz it being said more than once means it's true.

I literally laughed so hard that Sanji wouldn't listen to Zoro...they are a crew for God sakes of course they'd listen to each other...your argument about Nami being closer to Rayleigh is just stupid.She's a navigator that's her job.I mean if you were Oda you would make Nami the captain how it seems since Luffy isn't doing shit on the ship anyways right?

I find it funny how you compare these situations with Zoro and situations on the ship...Oda never touched the situation of first mate before and now you got it TWICE.Twice Oda wrote for characters that Zoro is indeed the first mate.Twice.Not once.TWICE!

Nami,Sanji or others were never mentioned...not even once.

I really don't know what's so hard to believe that Sanji would listen to Zoro...

 

[Punk Hazard]

I literally laughed so hard that Sanji wouldn't listen to Zoro...they are a crew for God sakes of course they'd listen to each other...your argument about Nami being closer to Rayleigh is just stupid.She's a navigator that's her job.I mean if you were Oda you would make Nami the captain how it seems since Luffy isn't doing shit on the ship anyways right?

I find it funny how you compare these situations with Zoro and situations on the ship...Oda never touched the situation of first mate before and now you got it TWICE.Twice Oda wrote for characters that Zoro is indeed the first mate.Twice.Not once.TWICE!

Nami,Sanji or others were never mentioned...not even once.

I really don't know what's so hard to believe that Sanji would listen to Zoro...

Oh my fuc-

I never said Sanji would never listen to Zoro. I said the scenario of Sanji blindly following every little thing Zoro says is stupid and will never happen. What IS going to happen is that there will be arguments from both sides, refusal from both sides, pitching in ideas from both sides, and following from both sides. Because that's the way they've been for 20 years of manga.

It's amazing how Zoro was mentioned to be first mate twice by people whose words mean nothing, yet Oda has shown Zoro acting as first mate a whopping zero times.

Not touching the Nami-Rayleigh thing again, I already explained that and if you still think I said Nami is the Ray of the crew, you belong in a facility for retards.

 

[loj]

Oh my fuc-

I never said Sanji would never listen to Zoro. I said the scenario of Sanji blindly following every little thing Zoro says is stupid and will never happen. What IS going to happen is that there will be arguments from both sides, refusal from both sides, pitching in ideas from both sides, and following from both sides. Because that's the way they've been for 20 years of manga.

It's amazing how Zoro was mentioned to be first mate twice by people whose words mean nothing, yet Oda has shown Zoro acting as first mate a whopping zero times.

Not touching the Nami-Rayleigh thing again, I already explained that and if you still think I said Nami is the Ray of the crew, you belong in a facility for retards.

Just why wouldn't Sanji listen to Zoro? 'Cause of rivalry? 'Cause of humor Oda put in their situations? Bloody hell if Sanji can follow Luffy who is a no brainer in most situations then Sanji can for sure follow Zoro as well...

Shown or not shown facts stay.Oda wrote it on two occasions now you can cry how much you want.

@Bold you said Nami is the closest so is pretty much the same.I honestly think you would put Nami as captain before Luffy 'cause apparently you need to show the worth of being a captain on the ship where Luffy did fuk all...good job Riker..you got a point.Nami is the captain from now on and Sanji is the first mate.Since yeah mostly Nami is yelling and telling them what to do anyways right?

 

[Punk Hazard]

Just why wouldn't Sanji listen to Zoro? 'Cause of rivalry? 'Cause of humor Oda put in their situations? Bloody hell if Sanji can follow Luffy who is a no brainer in most situations then Sanji can for sure follow Zoro as well...

It's not simple rivalry, Sanji and Zoro dislike each other and butt heads ALL the time, even in serious situations. It is definitely 100% going to happen in this scenario. Would Sanji listen to Zoro? Yes. Would Sanji listen to Zoro 100% of the time without argument? Absolutely ****ing not.

Shown or not shown facts stay.Oda wrote it on two occasions now you can cry how much you want.

I'm...I'm actually laughing. Let's take a look at other things Oda has written more than once:

1. Skypeia doesn't exist

2. WB is a loser and trash

3. Robin is a devil who deserves to die

4. Enel is a divine being who is the strongest thing ever and he created the world through sheer will

5. Blackbeard is the strongest

Should I go on?

@Bold you said Nami is the closest so is pretty much the same.

No, it's not the same. Whitebeard was stated to be closest thing to the Pirate King while he was alive. Was he the Pirate King though?

I honestly think you would put Nami as captain before Luffy 'cause apparently you need to show the worth of being a captain on the ship where Luffy did fuk all...good job Riker..you got a point.Nami is the captain from now on and Sanji is the first mate.Since yeah mostly Nami is yelling and telling them what to do anyways right?

I never said any of this. The duties of a first mate involve disciplining the crew, making sure they're doing their jobs, and giving orders in the captain's stead. What I ACTUALLY said in what is apparently Greek to you, is that Nami has done these things more times than Zoro has. I said before that granted, being a navigator means Nami will be giving a lot of orders. What's important is not that she's done it, but that she's done it more than Zoro.

Let me repeat. It's not relevant that she's done it. It's relevant because she's done it more than Zoro has.

Luffy has shown his worth as a captain by protecting the crew and exercising the supreme authority of a captain. The fact of the matter is, Luffy IS an unusual captain. There IS dissonance between what makes a usual captain, and the kind of captain Luffy is. He lets Nami and Sanji smack him around, and had no qualms with things like Chopper saying "No one come in this room, it's my medical room." Luffy is still undeniably the captain, however, because he exercises authority that no one else in the crew has. This is why both Franky and Sanji had to ask Luffy permission to get involved with the Tontotta and to fight back against Big Mom's goons respectively.

No one else fulfills this role as captain, so there is zero argument for any other person being more of a captain than Luffy is. The same cannot be said for the concept of Zoro being the first mate, who has done NOTHING in certain roles that define a first mate.

Once again, it will never how many times we see people saying they THINK Zoro is the first mate when Zoro himself NEVER acts as a first mate.

 

[loj]

It's not simple rivalry, Sanji and Zoro dislike each other and butt heads ALL the time, even in serious situations. It is definitely 100% going to happen in this scenario. Would Sanji listen to Zoro? Yes. Would Sanji listen to Zoro 100% of the time without argument? Absolutely ****ing not.

I'm...I'm actually laughing. Let's take a look at other things Oda has written more than once:

1. Skypeia doesn't exist

2. WB is a loser and trash

3. Robin is a devil who deserves to die

4. Enel is a divine being who is the strongest thing ever and he created the world through sheer will

5. Blackbeard is the strongest

Should I go on?


No, it's not the same. Whitebeard was stated to be closest thing to the Pirate King while he was alive. Was he the Pirate King though?



I never said any of this. The duties of a first mate involve disciplining the crew, making sure they're doing their jobs, and giving orders in the captain's stead. What I ACTUALLY said in what is apparently Greek to you, is that Nami has done these things more times than Zoro has. I said before that granted, being a navigator means Nami will be giving a lot of orders. What's important is not that she's done it, but that she's done it more than Zoro.

Let me repeat. It's not relevant that she's done it. It's relevant because she's done it more than Zoro has.

Luffy has shown his worth as a captain by protecting the crew and exercising the supreme authority of a captain. The fact of the matter is, Luffy IS an unusual captain. There IS dissonance between what makes a usual captain, and the kind of captain Luffy is. He lets Nami and Sanji smack him around, and had no qualms with things like Chopper saying "No one come in this room, it's my medical room." Luffy is still undeniably the captain, however, because he exercises authority that no one else in the crew has. This is why both Franky and Sanji had to ask Luffy permission to get involved with the Tontotta and to fight back against Big Mom's goons respectively.

No one else fulfills this role as captain, so there is zero argument for any other person being more of a captain than Luffy is. The same cannot be said for the concept of Zoro being the first mate, who has done NOTHING in certain roles that define a first mate.

Once again, it will never how many times we see people saying they THINK Zoro is the first mate when Zoro himself NEVER acts as a first mate.

And you think crew is always happy with Luffy's action? They don't argment each other? NAMI AND USOPP are crying every bloody time Luffy says something.

Again you are comparing wrong stuff with topic we are on.Oda never touched the topic about first mate and you got it twice now.

And thanks,you literally proved my point on Luffy and Zoro.

Luffy is unusual captain ok...Zoro is too.GG you can't counter it...you just defeated yourself in an argument since Zoro...can bloody do the same.Literally...the same.Luffy is captain by name.Defeating the strongest bad guys over and over.Zoro defeats 2nd strongest over and over...Luffy doesn't command shit on the ship and Idk why Zoro would...


You literally can't counter this argument now since it's you who said it...not me.

While we are on protecting the crew...Idk who took the bullet for Luffy on Thriller Bark :lol Nami didn't :lol but MA MAN ZORO DID,AND TOOK IT LIKE A MAN!

 

[Punk Hazard]

And you think crew is always happy with Luffy's action? They don't argment each other? NAMI AND USOPP are crying every bloody time Luffy says something.

But they do it anyway. You know why? Supreme captain's authority. Something Zoro doesn't have. Also, take a second to think about what you just said. Nami and Usopp argue against Luffy's decision all the time, even though they ultimately HAVE to go along with it. If Usopp, arguably the closest to Luffy in terms of friendship, and Nami who generally gets along with him, argue back, what makes you think Zoro and Sanji, who ALWAYS argue and DISLIKE each other, won't argue?

You're saying "Dude, Usopp and Nami who like Luffy and get along with him argue with him. That's proof that Zoro and Sanji, who are always fighting and dislike each other, will never argue and Sanji will just listen to him no matter what." And that's bollocks.

Again you are comparing wrong stuff with topic we are on.Oda never touched the topic about first mate and you got it twice now.

You're not even reading what you're writing at this point which is why this part makes no sense.

And thanks,you literally proved my point on Luffy and Zoro.

As usual, amazing in-depth analysis and explanation from Lolflajagja;gjai that supports his rhetoric. It's a large post friend, might wanna be more specific.

Luffy is unusual captain ok...Zoro is too.GG you can't counter it...you just defeated yourself in an argument since Zoro...can bloody do the same.Literally...the same.Luffy is captain by name.Defeating the strongest bad guys over and over.Zoro defeats 2nd strongest over and over...Luffy doesn't command shit on the ship and Idk why Zoro would...

Except, no. Luffy is an unusual captain in that he does some things a captain does and doesn't do some of the things a captain does. Zoro, on the other hand, does NONE of the things a first mate does. That's not being an unusual first mate, that's not being the first mate.

Doing half of a thing makes you unusual. Doing none of the thing makes you not it at all. Because you're doing ZERO of it.

Beating the second strongest guy isn't what makes you a first mate. By that logic, Zoro hasn't been first mate since Thriller Bark seeing as in:

Thriller Bark, Sanji beat the second strongest, Absalom.

In Saboady, there was no second strongest, unless you count Kuma being inferior to Kizaru.

The post-timeskip ar, Sanji and Zoro both beat the Pacifista and that was it.

In Fishman Island, there was no distinct second strongest, just Hody followed by equally fodder fishmen pirates.

In Punk Hazard, Vergo was the second strongest on that island, and he was defeated by Law, whereas Zoro actually fought the weakest antagonist, Monet.

In Dressrosa, Fujitora was actually the strongest antagonist, followed by Doffy, if you wanna get technical about it. Pica probably wasn't even the strongest Executive, who were all just pretty weak and seemed pretty much even.

 

[loj]

But they do it anyway. You know why? Supreme captain's authority. Something Zoro doesn't have. Also, take a second to think about what you just said. Nami and Usopp argue against Luffy's decision all the time, even though they ultimately HAVE to go along with it. If Usopp, arguably the closest to Luffy in terms of friendship, and Nami who generally gets along with him, argue back, what makes you think Zoro and Sanji, who ALWAYS argue and DISLIKE each other, won't argue?

You're saying "Dude, Usopp and Nami who like Luffy and get along with him argue with him. That's proof that Zoro and Sanji, who are always fighting and dislike each other, will never argue and Sanji will just listen to him no matter what." And that's bollocks.


You're not even reading what you're writing at this point which is why this part makes no sense.



As usual, amazing in-depth analysis and explanation from Lolflajagja;gjai that supports his rhetoric. It's a large post friend, might wanna be more specific.


Except, no. Luffy is an unusual captain in that he does some things a captain does and doesn't do some of the things a captain does. Zoro, on the other hand, does NONE of the things a first mate does. That's not being an unusual first mate, that's not being the first mate.

Doing half of a thing makes you unusual. Doing none of the thing makes you not it at all. Because you're doing ZERO of it.

Beating the second strongest guy isn't what makes you a first mate. By that logic, Zoro hasn't been first mate since Thriller Bark seeing as in:

Thriller Bark, Sanji beat the second strongest, Absalom.

In Saboady, there was no second strongest, unless you count Kuma being inferior to Kizaru.

The post-timeskip ar, Sanji and Zoro both beat the Pacifista and that was it.

In Fishman Island, there was no distinct second strongest, just Hody followed by equally fodder fishmen pirates.

In Punk Hazard, Vergo was the second strongest on that island, and he was defeated by Law, whereas Zoro actually fought the weakest antagonist, Monet.

In Dressrosa, Fujitora was actually the strongest antagonist, followed by Doffy, if you wanna get technical about it. Pica probably wasn't even the strongest Executive, who were all just pretty weak and seemed pretty much even.

They argue back and they still doesn't make Luffy change his decision where...Same could happen to Sanji and Zoro...the arguments are getting weaker and weaker my mate...

I am specific.You said Luffy is an unusual captain that makes everyone do their work without commanding them and your argument on Zoro was...Zoro wouldn't order anyone around no one would listen especially Sanji..Luffy does fuk all and you say something about Zoro hahahahah

Zoro can be like Luffy...make everyone do their thing and say final thing when matter since that's what Luffy does.Protect their crew...Zoro did the same on Thriller Bark and has authority where Zoro had on Water 7.

Zoro doesn't have the authority...yelled the shit on Luffy and crew in Water 7 while everyone shut their mouth...but yeah...no authority :/

And can you explain me what are these SOME things Luffy does as captain that isn't beating the villain on island and doing no brainer things? Asking food from Sanji? Gotta give it to Luffy a real captain asking for food...SOME things...

 

[Punk Hazard]

They argue back and they still doesn't make Luffy change his decision where...Same could happen to Sanji and Zoro...the arguments are getting weaker and weaker my mate...

This never happens with Sanji and Zoro. Once the two are in an argument, they NEVER settle it by agreeing with the other. The thing they argue about the most is that Sanji is a dumbass pervert, and yet Sanji hasn't changed any of his lewd ways because of Zoro's words. Show me one scenario where Sanji and Zoro got into an argument, and Sanji traded up and joined Zoro's side.

I am specific.You said Luffy is an unusual captain that makes everyone do their work without commanding them and your argument on Zoro was...Zoro wouldn't order anyone around no one would listen especially Sanji..Luffy does fuk all and you say something about Zoro hahahahah

Luffy doesn't make them do their job. He never forces them. They just willingly do it because that's their job. What makes Luffy an unusual captain is because he lefts them smack him around and talk to him like he's just any other crewmember. Take Kid for example: His crewmates call him Captain even when talking among themselves; never happens with Luffy. Another captain, Shiki, treats his crewmates like subordinates. Same as Doflamingo. Not the same for Luffy, he treats them all like friends.

Luffy does however exercise authority as captain by giving the final commands and being the one that develops whatever allies or enemies they get. So no, Luffy doesn't actually do **** all. He actually does things that makes a captain captain.

Zoro can be like Luffy...make everyone do their thing and say final thing when matter since that's what Luffy does.Protect their crew...Zoro did the same on Thriller Bark and has authority where Zoro had on Water 7.

Zoro commanded the crew and had final say on Thriller Bark?

Water 7 was the closest Zoro came to this, and even then, he didn't command anyone. He said what he thought the right thing to do was, and what Luffy being captain is supposed to mean, and gave Luffy an ultimatum, which Luffy then accepted. There was no commanding there, everyone was free to act how they wanted to at that point. They choose to go along with what Zoro said because Luffy chose to. That. One. Time.

The next time he tried it was on Zou, where he said they should ignore the Sanji thing completely and avoid Big Mom completely. What ended up happening? Luffy is going directly to Big Mom's island to get back Sanji. That worked out dandily for Zoro.

Zoro doesn't have the authority...yelled the shit on Luffy and crew in Water 7 while everyone shut their mouth...but yeah...no authority :/

That's not authority. Authority would be Zoro saying "This is what we're doing, and none of you have any say." As I said just above, Zoro didn't command them to do something, he said what he thought they should do, and Luffy and Sanji agreed to it.

And can you explain me what are these SOME things Luffy does as captain that isn't beating the villain on island and doing no brainer things? Asking food from Sanji? Gotta give it to Luffy a real captain asking for food...SOME things...

1. Supreme authority on who the allies of the crew are
2. Supreme authority on who joins
3. Supreme authority on who the crew wages war against
4. Supreme authority on where the crew goes next
5. Supreme authority and how the crew's course goes. Biggest example, Luffy ORDERING the crew to halt the adventure to train for two years

As I've been saying for so long that a deaf and blind retard could understand: Luffy is captain because he exercises supreme authority.

 

[loj]

This never happens with Sanji and Zoro. Once the two are in an argument, they NEVER settle it by agreeing with the other. The thing they argue about the most is that Sanji is a dumbass pervert, and yet Sanji hasn't changed any of his lewd ways because of Zoro's words. Show me one scenario where Sanji and Zoro got into an argument, and Sanji traded up and joined Zoro's side.


Luffy doesn't make them do their job. He never forces them. They just willingly do it because that's their job. What makes Luffy an unusual captain is because he lefts them smack him around and talk to him like he's just any other crewmember. Take Kid for example: His crewmates call him Captain even when talking among themselves; never happens with Luffy. Another captain, Shiki, treats his crewmates like subordinates. Same as Doflamingo. Not the same for Luffy, he treats them all like friends.

Luffy does however exercise authority as captain by giving the final commands and being the one that develops whatever allies or enemies they get. So no, Luffy doesn't actually do **** all. He actually does things that makes a captain captain.


Zoro commanded the crew and had final say on Thriller Bark?

Water 7 was the closest Zoro came to this, and even then, he didn't command anyone. He said what he thought the right thing to do was, and what Luffy being captain is supposed to mean, and gave Luffy an ultimatum, which Luffy then accepted. There was no commanding there, everyone was free to act how they wanted to at that point. They choose to go along with what Zoro said because Luffy chose to. That. One. Time.

The next time he tried it was on Zou, where he said they should ignore the Sanji thing completely and avoid Big Mom completely. What ended up happening? Luffy is going directly to Big Mom's island to get back Sanji. That worked out dandily for Zoro.


That's not authority. Authority would be Zoro saying "This is what we're doing, and none of you have any say." As I said just above, Zoro didn't command them to do something, he said what he thought they should do, and Luffy and Sanji agreed to it.



1. Supreme authority on who the allies of the crew are
2. Supreme authority on who joins
3. Supreme authority on who the crew wages war against
4. Supreme authority on where the crew goes next
5. Supreme authority and how the crew's course goes. Biggest example, Luffy ORDERING the crew to halt the adventure to train for two years

As I've been saying for so long that a deaf and blind retard could understand: Luffy is captain because he exercises supreme authority.

Different story about Sanji and Zoro if Zoro was a captain they would argue but there would be a final word by Zoro.

While we at it and situation on Water 7...Zoro said things.Sanji listened.Did Sanji argue? No.

All what Luffy does Zoro can do the same so I really don't see a reason why Zoro couldn't and isn't first mate since he fit 100%

So we can settle and say Luffy just does final things where I don't see a problem Zoro doing the same...

 

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Different story about Sanji and Zoro if Zoro was a captain they would argue but there would be a final word by Zoro.

That's because being captain means you have that authority. Zoro, however, isn't the captain, so this is irrelevant.

While we at it and situation on Water 7...Zoro said things.Sanji listened.Did Sanji argue? No.

Sanji didn't argue because he felt the same way from the beginning. I'm asking for a scenario where Sanji and Zoro expressed opposite views, and then Sanji changed his mind because of Zoro.

All what Luffy does Zoro can do the same so I really don't see a reason why Zoro couldn't and isn't first mate since he fit 100%

So we can settle and say Luffy just does final things where I don't see a problem Zoro doing the same...

Zoro has absolutely zero ability to do any of those things. He can't decide who joins, who are their allies, what island they go to next, and who they wage war on. The difference between Zoro and Luffy is that if Zoro tried to do those things, the rest of the crew can say no.