[Predictions] One Piece Manga Chapter 823 Discussion and 824 Predictions

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Tbh, Black Beard is savage. No, In fact I think he deserves the title of the most savage character in OP.


First he becomes a yonko and concurs the strongest man's territories
He then Beats marco and remaining of the WB crew
and now he annihilate the shit out of one the Revo's headquarters


I now even doubt kaido's title tbh.
 

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Tbh, Black Beard is savage. No, In fact I think he deserves the title of the most savage character in OP.


First he becomes a yonko and concurs the strongest man's territories
He then Beats marco and remaining of the WB crew
and now he annihilate the shit out of one the Revo's headquarters


I now even doubt kaido's title tbh.
There probs wasn't anyone on the island when that happened...I find it stupid seeing Dragon defeated after he said he'll call all the top tier commanders...I mean Dragon wants to take down WG and if he can't resist a Yonko then I don't think there is anything Rev can do...Dragon probs wasn't there like at all...
 

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There probs wasn't anyone on the island when that happened...I find it stupid seeing Dragon defeated after he said he'll call all the top tier commanders...I mean Dragon wants to take down WG and if he can't resist a Yonko then I don't think there is anything Rev can do...Dragon probs wasn't there like at all...
Destroying the island along with their headquarter is what I said, dragon doesn't necessarily have to be there
 

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Destroying the island along with their headquarter is what I said, dragon doesn't necessarily have to be there
Well that's not savage if you ask me...literally that was pure luck even getting there...would be savage if Dragon was there.

And makes sense Dragon not being there since he might have been preparing for Reverie which was today announced.So I'm expecting some mess when Reverie happens.
 

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Well that's not savage if you ask me...literally that was pure luck even getting there...would be savage if Dragon was there.

And makes sense Dragon not being there since he might have been preparing for Reverie which was today announced.So I'm expecting some mess when Reverie happens.
That is savage when he did something the WG couldn't for 20 years, in fact no other pirates ever did such thing. And as I said, even if dragon himself isn;t there, sabo and others might be. It's a hideout after all.
 

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That is savage when he did something the WG couldn't for 20 years, in fact no other pirates ever did such thing. And as I said, even if dragon himself isn;t there, sabo and others might be. It's a hideout after all.
Pure luck thanks to Burgess if he really intended to do it and then did it that would be savage,this is just a no from me personally.

Well don't think they were there,they are planing something for Reverie 100% on probs other place,but that's what I just think...

EDIT: And I just remembered,Kuzan might have some hands into this since he could have contacted Dragon somehow to leave Baltigo.Which I can totally see.
 
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Stelly is Sabo's adoptive brother, remember. He was adopted as insurance because Sabo had ran away from home, so his parents were in doubt about their family's future prospect and just to be sure they adopted Stelly for when things would turn south with Sabo.

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And that the would be strong is extremely doubtful. The power of people like him don't lie in their physical strength, but their influence.

Ah, I would not decline the fact that I thought the moment Goa Kingdom was mentioned that there was a link with sabo, but I never went back to reading that part, to notice the adopted wart. And he seems to be obsessed with Trash management. Wonder, what's his story? Cause I certainly get the feeling there is more to him than meets the eye.
 

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Ah, I would not decline the fact that I thought the moment Goa Kingdom was mentioned that there was a link with sabo, but I never went back to reading that part, to notice the adopted wart. And he seems to be obsessed with Trash management. Wonder, what's his story? Cause I certainly get the feeling there is more to him than meets the eye.
Well you can just read the entire flash-back again from Luffy's childhood. The Goa Kingdom is known for being the most cleanest kingdom in the world. All their garbage is dumped continuously on the same spot: the Gray Terminal. When they were planning to burn the GT because a Celestial Dragon was going to visit, Stelly was laughing at the idea of having all those bumbs being burned alive and he wasn't the only one. All the nobles knew about it, so yeah all the rich people from the Goa Kingdom are obsessed with trash management.

And the story writes itself: Sabo, a noble from the Goa Kingdom and the 2nd in command of the RA has a brother that was adopted solely for the sake of replacing him if Sabo would 'fail' and who now became the king of the Goa Kingdom and currently is planning to attend the most influential assembly in the world. Despite so many people going haywire about Baltigo being destroyed, the newspaper didn't mention anything specific about the RA. If either Dragon or the RA was destroyed, they would be talking about that and not Baltigo and considering it was implied that Dragon was planning to make a move, there's a high chance here that he is going to do that during the Reverie and that he and Sabo already left Baltigo the moment BB attacked it. Ergo Stelly meets Sabo at the Reverie.
 

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Don't think Carrot will join the strawhats for the same reason i didn't think anyone else would join the strawhats: Because it's been almost 400 chapters since Brook first appeared. And i'm sure if Oda intended for anyone else to join, they would have joined then.

Doubt BB just wrecked Dragon. Revolutionaries are too big a part of the story to just get offpaneled. They could easily have escaped, or even curbstomped Blackbeard with lots of collateral damage.
 

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The pacing is so slow nowadays :/
And the repetitive cliffhangers that Oda never shows right after start to annoy me
Carrot was enjoyable in the chapter though
 

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The pacing is so slow nowadays :/
And the repetitive cliffhangers that Oda never shows right after start to annoy me
Carrot was enjoyable in the chapter though
Yup. My biggest grief with OP atm. Like, he knows we're gonna read next week, he's built a ton of world, it's been 20 goddamn years. He can show us some shit now instead of off-paneling it.
 

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Don't think Carrot will join the strawhats for the same reason i didn't think anyone else would join the strawhats: Because it's been almost 400 chapters since Brook first appeared. And i'm sure if Oda intended for anyone else to join, they would have joined then.

Doubt BB just wrecked Dragon. Revolutionaries are too big a part of the story to just get offpaneled. They could easily have escaped, or even curbstomped Blackbeard with lots of collateral damage.
I agree with that logic up to a certain degree. There are indeed many people who seem to be underestimating the importance of the time-skip and think that anyone can join at any time, which is really not the case. The time-skip was almost a point of no return as you can't just keep adding Strawhats simply because if it's too late in the story, that character's development would be redundant, forced or non-existent. Before the TS the Strawhats just did everything on the spur of the moment. The TS was the first and only time they ever seriously prepared for something and this for a period of two years. This creates a bond between the Strawhats that would be alien to any other future Strawhat. Hence why I also always have been skeptical about new Strawhats.

However it remains a fact that Oda himself set the door open somewhere in the SBS or in an interview in regards to new Strawhats and that Luffy said all the way at the beginning that he wanted 10 crew members and so far he only has 9. There's also a reasonable estimation that currently the story is around 2/3, which means there's still 1/3 to go and I believe that's still enough time for at least one member. Of course that member should be joining about now, so Carrot appeared on the ideal moment.

From all the characters people have been suggesting as the newest Strawhat, Carrot by far has currently the highest chance of actually joining:

1) She's female

Considering the current ratio is 8 males for 2 females, female characters have a higher chance than male characters to keep things more balanced.

2) She's a mink

Luffy has a love for the weird and the unusal. A cyborg, a human reindeer, a skeleton...so a female rabbit surely would be a perfect match for the crew.

3) Personality quirks

Almost all Strawhats also have weird personalities or some weird quirks. A chronic lier, several perverts, a gold digger...now this is rather common for many characters, not just the Strawhats, but still Carrot has showed to be rather odd.

4) Strength

All the Strawhats had to train for two years, which makes it rather difficult for anyone to join as that person needs to have a certain amount of strength, however it would be rather illogical that all the Strawhats had to train for 2 years, but that someone else can join just like that and keep up. So there has to be something that balances out that 2 years of training. Now Minks are born warriors, they have a natural aptitude for fighting and Pedro implied in this chapter that Carrot's strength seems to even be for a mink rather high.

5) Adventurous

IMO this might even be the most important characteristic of Carrot. It was quite strongly emphasized this chapter that she has never left Zou and is severely naive in regards to the outside world and as a result she's highly excited to the prospect of traveling around. This is a quality many other characters that people have suggested lack and it's a quality many people also seem to ignore. For example characters like Rebecca or Viola had no reason to leave and this also applies to Vivi. She is the sole heir of a mighty country and her father is in bad health, so she really can't just leave to go on an adventure.


The only thing so far that Carrot is lacking, is a position within the crew. All the others have a defined position: navigator, shipwright, cook, doctor etc., but what is Carrot supposed to be?
 

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4) Strength

All the Strawhats had to train for two years, which makes it rather difficult for anyone to join as that person needs to have a certain amount of strength, however it would be rather illogical that all the Strawhats had to train for 2 years, but that someone else can join just like that and keep up. So there has to be something that balances out that 2 years of training. Now Minks are born warriors, they have a natural aptitude for fighting and Pedro implied in this chapter that Carrot's strength seems to even be for a mink rather high.
This doesn't make sense. If that person was a fighter prior to joining the Strawhats, then it's fully logical for them to be as strong as the Strawhats. From as early on as Zoro and then following up with Sanji, Robin, Franky, and Brook, Luffy has recruited people who are already fighters and have already built strength independently that fit and grew with the Strawhat dynamic. After all, why can't Luffy recruit a fighter that's been fighting and training all of this time independently?

Considering that they're now in the New World, which is a dangerous and violent place, especially for fighters, it'd be far more logical for fighters Luffy gathers to have substantial strength already due to being a fighter in the new World, and can easily fit with the crew. If strength dynamic is really taken into consideration, then they just have to be stronger than Usopp and, if we're really getting nitpicky, weaker than Sanji, and we're good.

Could this guy be Sanji's brother?

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Possibly. So far, we just know that it's Stelly, Sabo's adopted brother.
 

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This doesn't make sense. If that person was a fighter prior to joining the Strawhats, then it's fully logical for them to be as strong as the Strawhats. From as early on as Zoro and then following up with Sanji, Robin, Franky, and Brook, Luffy has recruited people who are already fighters and have already built strength independently that fit and grew with the Strawhat dynamic. After all, why can't Luffy recruit a fighter that's been fighting and training all of this time independently?

Considering that they're now in the New World, which is a dangerous and violent place, especially for fighters, it'd be far more logical for fighters Luffy gathers to have substantial strength already due to being a fighter in the new World, and can easily fit with the crew. If strength dynamic is really taken into consideration, then they just have to be stronger than Usopp and, if we're really getting nitpicky, weaker than Sanji, and we're good.



Possibly. So far, we just know that it's Stelly, Sabo's adopted brother.
It makes all the sense in the world. The Strawhats trained for two years intensively for the sole reason to prepare for the New World and having an edge over other people. Someone who joins thus needs to have something that balances out those two years of training as otherwise what was the point of those two years then if anyone who didn't follow that training regime can join just like that without compensating? That's no different than saying that the time skip was a complete waste of time, then they could have gone immediately to the New World.

Example: Vivi. She really would not be able to follow the Strawhats.
 

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It makes all the sense in the world. The Strawhats trained for two years intensively for the sole reason to prepare for the New World and having an edge over other people. Someone who joins thus needs to have something that balances out those two years of training as otherwise what was the point of those two years then if anyone who didn't follow that training regime can join just like that without compensating? That's no different than saying that the time skip was a complete waste of time, then they could have gone immediately to the New World.

Example: Vivi. She really would not be able to follow the Strawhats.
No it wouldn't. I don't know why you're excluding that someone could have just been training independently and been a fighter in the New World while the Strawhats had their journey. The Minks and colosseum fighters are prime examples of people who weren't with the SHs, but were fighting and training to have the strength to survive. It's not like we think the next Strawhat is gonna be some random shop vendor on the next island.
 

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I agree with that logic up to a certain degree. There are indeed many people who seem to be underestimating the importance of the time-skip and think that anyone can join at any time, which is really not the case. The time-skip was almost a point of no return as you can't just keep adding Strawhats simply because if it's too late in the story, that character's development would be redundant, forced or non-existent. Before the TS the Strawhats just did everything on the spur of the moment. The TS was the first and only time they ever seriously prepared for something and this for a period of two years. This creates a bond between the Strawhats that would be alien to any other future Strawhat. Hence why I also always have been skeptical about new Strawhats.

However it remains a fact that Oda himself set the door open somewhere in the SBS or in an interview in regards to new Strawhats and that Luffy said all the way at the beginning that he wanted 10 crew members and so far he only has 9. There's also a reasonable estimation that currently the story is around 2/3, which means there's still 1/3 to go and I believe that's still enough time for at least one member. Of course that member should be joining about now, so Carrot appeared on the ideal moment.

From all the characters people have been suggesting as the newest Strawhat, Carrot by far has currently the highest chance of actually joining:

1) She's female

Considering the current ratio is 8 males for 2 females, female characters have a higher chance than male characters to keep things more balanced.

2) She's a mink

Luffy has a love for the weird and the unusal. A cyborg, a human reindeer, a skeleton...so a female rabbit surely would be a perfect match for the crew.

3) Personality quirks

Almost all Strawhats also have weird personalities or some weird quirks. A chronic lier, several perverts, a gold digger...now this is rather common for many characters, not just the Strawhats, but still Carrot has showed to be rather odd.

4) Strength

All the Strawhats had to train for two years, which makes it rather difficult for anyone to join as that person needs to have a certain amount of strength, however it would be rather illogical that all the Strawhats had to train for 2 years, but that someone else can join just like that and keep up. So there has to be something that balances out that 2 years of training. Now Minks are born warriors, they have a natural aptitude for fighting and Pedro implied in this chapter that Carrot's strength seems to even be for a mink rather high.

5) Adventurous

IMO this might even be the most important characteristic of Carrot. It was quite strongly emphasized this chapter that she has never left Zou and is severely naive in regards to the outside world and as a result she's highly excited to the prospect of traveling around. This is a quality many other characters that people have suggested lack and it's a quality many people also seem to ignore. For example characters like Rebecca or Viola had no reason to leave and this also applies to Vivi. She is the sole heir of a mighty country and her father is in bad health, so she really can't just leave to go on an adventure.


The only thing so far that Carrot is lacking, is a position within the crew. All the others have a defined position: navigator, shipwright, cook, doctor etc., but what is Carrot supposed to be?
I do agree Carrot is the strongest(not power wise) character after Brook to join SH's,as you said the arguments why she might join I agree on 'em,but the problem is position in the crew yeah,what do you think she might join as if that happens? Does she need a position in a crew job wise? She might just be a good strength addition to the crew since she's a born warrior.

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For now that's just Sabo's adopted brother.
 
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