I was expecting Raizo to be ugly/fat, but still extremely effective as a Ninja. Am i the only one? It was a big mystery who he was and what he looked like, so he was inevitably going to look dissapointing. I believe a similar thing happened with the 7th Shichibukai.
I was expecting Raizo to be ugly/fat, but still extremely effective as a Ninja. Am i the only one? It was a big mystery who he was and what he looked like, so he was inevitably going to look dissapointing. I believe a similar thing happened with the 7th Shichibukai.
But Kaidou was pretty much perceived to be a short and fat looking character (based on his shadowy figure in the early Yonkou revelation chapters), and when the time came to see Kaidou for the first time, he looked badass as hell and completely nothing like the shadowy figure we previously saw.
Raizou wasn't shown to us at all (meaning no shadowy figure) So as fans it was 50/50 to expect an ugly design or a dope design.
Now the next mystery is, if Oda is going to make the Green Bull admiral ugly and funny looking, or will he give us a badass looking design? Lol
But Kaidou was pretty much perceived to be a short and fat looking character (based on his shadowy figure in the early Yonkou revelation chapters), and when the time came to see Kaidou for the first time, he looked badass as hell and completely nothing like the shadowy figure we previously saw.
Raizou wasn't shown to us at all (meaning no shadowy figure) So as fans it was 50/50 to expect an ugly design or a dope design.
Now the next mystery is, if Oda is going to make the Green Bull admiral ugly and funny looking, or will he give us a badass looking design? Lol
I think it is safe to say that Green bull will be 'bad ass' or at least realistic since the admirals follow a real life person tribute thing. So he or she won't have any crazy features.
I mean Kizaru is a bit of both he can be funny looking but he also is a bad ass.
I think it is safe to say that Green bull will be 'bad ass' or at least realistic since the admirals follow a real life person tribute thing. So he or she won't have any crazy features.
I mean Kizaru is a bit of both he can be funny looking but he also is a bad ass.
True that! Lol and yeah you're absolutely right about the Admirals following the real life people tribute thing. I forgot all about that! Now that you mention it, to me the Admirals are almost the most realistic looking characters I think.
Before I didn't think Kinemon would become a Straw Hat because of Momonosuke. But now that we know for sure he isn't his father I think it's very likely Kinemon will join the crew.
We get to see Raizou with lots of Naruto references as well as Jack who is still alive. A lot was revealed about Lord Momonosuke and the deep relationship between his samurais with Zou. We got to see some funny jokes like always and a new Poneglyph!
Cool but you can't compare. Because we already know what Dragon is supposed to look like, and I was commenting on the change in appearance or possible bad art from Oda's side. In the image I provided back then look at his portrait shot in the first panel. That just looks horrible.
Besides, If you would read carefully I said there was nothing wrong with having an opinion on looks. The only thing I said was that it is stupid to be disappointed in hindsight to if Oda does a gimmick character reveal, because that lies in the line of expectation.
I've also said multiple times that Raizou is 'ugly' but that was kind of the point.
So nice try, too bad you missed what I was saying. Maybe you and Riker can go to reading school together.
I'm fine about having an opinion about a characters design, I just think it's stupid to be salty after Oda hyped Raizou like some legendary badass only to reveal him like this, which ultimately was the whole point.
There is a difference in thinking something is nice, pretty, cool, stupid or ugly. And expecting that you can trust Oda that Raizou would look something like an Uchiha on steroids.
So if you would like to criticize his looks, characteristics or whatever please join the debate and use this thread what is made for.
Not really since it's the same point AGAIN I had to explain you four times before it got into your thick skull and changed the subject. After Caliburn roasted you on the previous page you're suddenly riding this guys back and clapping like a monkey because your so full of yourself to admit you were wrong or you were to incompetent to bring any good arguments in your favor, either way you made a fool out of yourself in this thread.
Not really since it's the same point AGAIN I had to explain you four times before it got into your thick skull and changed the subject. After Caliburn roasted you on the previous page you're suddenly riding this guys back and clapping like a monkey because your so full of yourself to admit you were wrong or you were to incompetent to bring any good arguments in your favor, either way you made a fool out of yourself in this thread.
Your point relies completely on "You're complaining about Raizou's appearance and it has upset you." Which wasn't true. That is why your point ha failed to apply to me throughout the entire thread. Like I said, your arguments aren't wrong, they just don't apply. I read your posts and said what I had to say, and it was clear that you weren't going to succeed anytime soon in understanding that I was not upset or complaining about Raizou's appearance.
As for Caliburn, I didn't read his post completely because skimming through it showed me he had no new arguments to offer to this already too long debate. My other posts throughout sufficed; if he wanted an argument or reply to his last post, he can just go read the other posts I've made in this thread.
It's also ironic you criticize me for piggybacking Skylar, but you're piggybacking me not replying to Cali to somehow make yourself look better. Try not to shoot your own foot when you inevitably reply.
Your point relies completely on "You're complaining about Raizou's appearance and it has upset you." Which wasn't true. That is why your point ha failed to apply to me throughout the entire thread. Like I said, your arguments aren't wrong, they just don't apply. I read your posts and said what I had to say, and it was clear that you weren't going to succeed anytime soon in understanding that I was not upset or complaining about Raizou's appearance.
What ? Nothing about the absolute barbaric post anymore ? Guess it wasn't that barbaric after all.
After you were saying he was a "letdown" and "less satisfying" I guess it was my fault that I picked that up as complaining and being upset by the reveal. But I guess this post is as close as a mea culpa as I'm going to get from you, so I'll take it.
I don't need to beat a dead horse nor is that my argument.
After you were saying he was a "letdown" and "less satisfying" I guess it was my fault that I picked that up as complaining and being upset by the reveal.
Yes it was. I said "Raizou was indeed a letdown," and as I explained multiple times to your slow ass, that was me saying "Oda was going for this thing, and he nailed that thing."
Me expressing dissatisfaction for Raizou being not badass is no different than you being dissatisfied by Dragon's "older" appearance(now it's my argument).
And no, it doesn't matter that you already saw Dragon's appearance beforehand, you were still dissatisfied with a character's appearance, and now you're trying to jump on others for who knows what reason for expressing the same thing.
Here's a hint: Stop trying to play the prick who shuts down everyone's posts. We have one too many of those running around in this thread already, and you don't look cool doing it. It's pointless and you just end up looking stupid, as you have in this thread. Give it a rest, have a self-love tug, and stop attacking people C:
Yes it was. I said "Raizou was indeed a letdown," and as I explained multiple times to your slow ass, that was me saying "Oda was going for this thing, and he nailed that thing."
Me expressing dissatisfaction for Raizou being not badass is no different than you being dissatisfied by Dragon's "older" appearance(now it's my argument).
And no, it doesn't matter that you already saw Dragon's appearance beforehand, you were still dissatisfied with a character's appearance, and now you're trying to jump on others for who knows what reason for expressing the same thing.
Here's a hint: Stop trying to play the prick who shuts down everyone's posts. We have one too many of those running around in this thread already, and you don't look cool doing it. It's pointless and you just end up looking stupid, as you have in this thread. Give it a rest, have a self-love tug, and stop attacking people C:
Well you have a crappy way of explaining yourself then, funny thing is that I said the same thing as well that Oda was building up this ugly character thing over and over again (check what I said about Usopp's and Franky's reaction) So that is not at all what this is about. The fact remains is that you called it a unsatisfying letdown and you can't twist that in any way. The only thing I said is that you could've expected it. Just accept that and get over yourself.
And it does matter we saw Dragon earlier because there is a drop in quality. If Raizou is drawn shitty in the next chapter I would say it too. And see the previous post about what I said about appearances.
Well I'm not shutting down everyone, it's just you and that other guy who attacked me with a 4 month old irrelevant post. I'm just making conversation with others.
But I like that you became the voice of the people again, can't wait before you start saying we we we again. Maybe start some kind of union and talk for all the butthurt clowns that got offended by a manga drawing. How does "the salty non-readers" sound, you can use it for free, thank me later.
After you were saying he was a "letdown" and "less satisfying" I guess it was my fault that I picked that up as complaining and being upset by the reveal. But I guess this post is as close as a mea culpa as I'm going to get from you, so I'll take it.
What kind of stupid ass logic is that? Being disappointed doesn't equal being upset, or salty, or whatever. You overreacted, and so did Caliburn - both acting like Riker was the one picking a fight. He didn't do sh*t. He commented on Raizou's appearance, calling him ugly - which he is. Raizou is ugly. That's a fact. Just like Riker, I wanted a more ninja-like ninja. I was disappointed, 'cause Oda denied me my wish. Am I upset about it? No. Do I mind? No. Then you march in and pick up Riker's post, just because it's Riker. Such a pathetic attempt to provoke, and this goes right over Caliburn's head. This is basically how the discussion started:
Riker: "Damn, Raizou is one buttugly bastard. Was also letdown."
Love Cook: "Don't get salty because Oda trolled you by hyping him as a real ninja."
Riker: "I'm not, I just called an ugly character ugly. I don't see why you and Caliburn care so much about-"
Caliburn: "You're obviosuly too aggressive about this topic. Raizou isn't some kind of horrible freak of nature that should be put down."
Do you see how quickly that escalated? Riker wasn't the aggressive one, you guys were. Glad to get that off my chest.
What kind of stupid ass logic is that? Being disappointed doesn't equal being upset, or salty, or whatever. You overreacted, and so did Caliburn - both acting like Riker was the one picking a fight. He didn't do sh*t. He commented on Raizou's appearance, calling him ugly - which he is. Raizou is ugly. That's a fact. Just like Riker, I wanted a more ninja-like ninja. I was disappointed, 'cause Oda denied me my wish. Am I upset about it? No. Do I mind? No. Then you march in and pick up Riker's post, just because it's Riker. Such a pathetic attempt to provoke, and this goes right over Caliburn's head. This is basically how the discussion started:
Riker: "Damn, Raizou is one buttugly bastard. Was also letdown."
Love Cook: "Don't get salty because Oda trolled you by hyping him as a real ninja."
Riker: "I'm not, I just called an ugly character ugly. I don't see why you and Caliburn care so much about-"
Caliburn: "You're obviosuly too aggressive about this topic. Raizou isn't some kind of horrible freak of nature that should be put down."
Do you see how quickly that escalated? Riker wasn't the aggressive one, you guys were. Glad to get that off my chest.
If you would look back the disappointed and upset part were Riker's words. I just turned it around saying that it's not my problem he phrased it like that.
And again, apparently haven't learned from what I replied to you in your previous post, I'm fine that you're wishing for a more ninja like ninja, or saying that he is ugly. Really the only thing I've been saying is that it is silly that you would complain after the fact when Oda introduced him as a goofy character. It's a possibility in OP.
Also I'm not aggressive at all, because I'm consistent, I don't go back up on my word and I'm not a hypocrite, not even in posts from 4 months ago. So the only thing I'm doing is repeating what I've already been saying and that is enough for some of you to flip their lid.
I know you shouldn't go by looks, but he doesn't look very great. I think his just an important person, politically. Similar to momonosuke holding some high status in wano. Kinnemon and Kanjourou were just the escorts.
What I WONDER about is how they all got separated. Hopefully some light is shed on that next chapter