[Predictions] One Piece Manga Chapter 725 Discussion and 726 Predictions

[Olorin]

the next two weeks are gonna suck :NO:

 

[LitzSabr]

Rebecca has an interesting way of fighting, it's nice to see that more women in New World can use a type of haki.

Though that pretty much rules out the possibility of her gaining Ace's DF powers. Mera Mera no mi user who won't even use Hiken on his enemy, now a thing like this can't happen.

Rebecca is interesting me now.... Why fight without fighting? Eh?

Join the boat.. Rebecca for Nakama and VioletxSanji 2013 XD

 

[Frikid]

That barrier is useful and quite original, but so far quite straightforward and not really OP.

How is it OP? He won't join the Strawhats as he has his own crew. He can help them take out Kaidou (I think Law was bullshitting about the alliance ending).

The Barrier can be dodged and basically walked around... It also seems to only work against fast attacks too as it lets slower ones through (evident with a regular punch from Bellamy). Not so OP now is it?

It is a defensive type of DF and it can tank pretty much anything thrown at him. Akainu's lava punches,meteor spam, thread attacks... you name it and it can be blocked.
Of course, it depends on the level of the user but the ability itself grants the user the power to block anything thrown at him. That is what it means to be a barrier man.
There are infinite amount of things which can be done with barriers .For example,
If oda wants, he can give barto ability to reflect attacks coming at him.
Barriers can also be used to cage down an opponent and further cutting the supply of oxygen.

I also think this power is immune from haki, like for example, if a haki induced attack is done on the barrier, its not like it will just pass through the barrier (otherwise it would become useless since almost everyone in NW can use haki).

Also, Barto never used his barrier against bellamy, the first time it was shown was against king's punch. I can say that with confident because there are certain gestures barto did while making the barrier against king's punch(which he didn't do in other cases)

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

It is a defensive type of DF and it can tank pretty much anything thrown at him. Akainu's lava punches,meteor spam, thread attacks... you name it and it can be blocked.

Kings punch was a widespread attack. But a focused attack with Haki would most probably smash it (Unless Bartolomeo uses Haki to increase the defense). And the DF can be used offensively. There aren't really any defensive DF's. The Nikyu Nikyu no Mi in concept is defensive. But is one of the most offensive.

Of course, it depends on the level of the user but the ability itself grants the user the power to block anything thrown at him. That is what it means to be a barrier man.
There are infinite amount of things which can be done with barriers .For example,

Yep.... stops everything , right?

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Bellamy punches Bartolomeo.

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If oda wants, he can give barto ability to reflect attacks coming at him.
Barriers can also be used to cage down an opponent and further cutting the supply of oxygen.

His barriers seem to only be 2d objects. Therefore based upon what we have seen : he cannot create cages etc.

I also think this power is immune from haki, like for example, if a haki induced attack is done on the barrier, its not like it will just pass through the barrier (otherwise it would become useless since almost everyone in NW can use haki).

Also, Barto never used his barrier against bellamy, the first time it was shown was against king's punch. I can say that with confident because there are certain gestures barto did while making the barrier against king's punch(which he didn't do in other cases)

He hasn't been shown to use it. But Bellamy says

He must have eaten a devil fruit

To imply and pretty much state that Bartolomeo DID use his devil fruit.

 

[Uzumaki Menma]

Seems like Drake is apart of Kaido's crew which is awesome becuase he's my favorite Supernova. The dump the lost combatants fell into seems to be where individiuals get turned into toys.

 

[aimop95]

Boring set up chapter..not that that is a bad thing...but it's still boring.

 

[Fireplay]

Lol @ Bart wanting Zoro's autograph.

The question is: Who is the guy Law is talking about? Is it someone we already know or someone new?

Rebecca having CoO is pretty awesome.

 

[Equalist]

Boring set up chapter..not that that is a bad thing...but it's still boring.

I second this. Last weeks chapter left off and a very powerful set-up to something big. I couldn't believe it but this week One Piece was at best, on par with the other two.

 

[Kiiszame]

Damn the way things are building up..
All hell will break lose soon in this arc! :bouncy::bouncy::bouncy:

 

[ArabianLuffy]

Great chapter, but seems like it's avoiding actions that we wanna see... 4\5 ...

The most important and interesing part is in the cover. That's X.Drake, no doubt. I prefer not to think he's working for Kaidou or something of that sort. Just before the time-skip, he appeared to have great grudge for Kaidou, isn't he?

 

[Frikid]

Kings punch was a widespread attack. But a focused attack with Haki would most probably smash it (Unless Bartolomeo uses Haki to increase the defense). And the DF can be used offensively. There aren't really any defensive DF's. The Nikyu Nikyu no Mi in concept is defensive. But is one of the most offensive.


Yep.... stops everything , right?

Spoiler

Bellamy punches Bartolomeo.

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His barriers seem to only be 2d objects. Therefore based upon what we have seen : he cannot create cages etc.

I also think this power is immune from haki, like for example, if a haki induced attack is done on the barrier, its not like it will just pass through the barrier (otherwise it would become useless since almost everyone in NW can use haki).


He hasn't been shown to use it. But Bellamy says

To imply and pretty much state that Bartolomeo DID use his devil fruit.

Nope. That is pure assumption, the fact that the barrier tanked king's punch no difficulty is alone enough to deduce that barto's barrier are quite strong.

Are you serious?
It seems like you are manipulating manga pages to prove something you stated even though you yourself know that you are wrong -_-

Here in this manga page you can see how bellamy's attack failed miserably against barto.

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Are you still gonna say barrier can't protect against his punches?

Also, we have only his barrier technique once or twice so saying he can't make multiple barriers is pointless now since it is a mere assumption based on incomplete info we have on a character.
In that case, there was no need for barto to make a barrier on other sides so obviously he wont do something like that. You cannot come to such a conclusion just by seeing his DF once.

But ok he used his DF before king's punch, i will give you that, it slipped my mind BUT then again it doesn't really support your argument. Bellamy just caught him off guard and barto didn't have any time to react.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Nope. That is pure assumption, the fact that the barrier tanked king's punch no difficulty is alone enough to deduce that barto's barrier are quite strong.

Are you serious?
It seems like you are manipulating manga pages to prove something you stated even though you yourself know that you are wrong -_-

Here in this manga page you can see how bellamy's attack failed miserably against barto.

Spoiler

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Are you still gonna say barrier can't protect against his punches?

Also, we have only his barrier technique once or twice so saying he can't make multiple barriers is pointless now since it is a mere assumption based on incomplete info we have on a character.
In that case, there was no need for barto to make a barrier on other sides so obviously he wont do something like that. You cannot come to such a conclusion just by seeing his DF once.

But ok he used his DF before king's punch, i will give you that, it slipped my mind BUT then again it doesn't really support your argument. Bellamy just caught him off guard and barto didn't have any time to react.

Manipulating? Well there's a difference between the latter and utilizing something to prove a point. I will repeatedly have to exclaim a point because you clearly are in a constant state of denial or you just do not understand.

Must I give you explanation for Bartolomeos Bari Bari no Mi from an OFFICIAL SOURCE? Because that's what I'm going to do.

The Bari Bari no Mi is a Paramecia-class Devil Fruit that allows the user to generate barriers for defending or striking at will, turning the user into a Barrier Human (バリア人間 Baria Ningen). Bari comes from baria, the Japanese way of pronouncing the word "barrier". It was eaten by Bartolomeo.

The main strength of this fruit is that it allows the user to form invisible barriers, though they can be solidified to become visibly transparent. This protects the user from attacks from either front or back. The barriers appear to be immovable by any outside force. The barriers are strong enough to defend against even a fishman's high-powered punch, which injured said fishman's hand in return.Even the shock wave produced from Elizabello II's punch, which could allegedly take down an entire fortress, could not breach the shield, nor the area behind it. The shield can also be used for offensive purposes, launching forward to create powerful forces to strike the targets. According to Bartolomeo, he can create his barriers by crossing his fingers.

It is unknown if the barriers have a damage limit, but so far the ability appears to reacts to considerable amounts of force, as Bellamy was able to touch Bartolomeo with an outstretched hand, rather than a punch;as well as the barrier reacting to Hack's punch while Bartolomeo wasn't facing him, this may indicate a passively-active fruit. Besides that, it shares the standard weaknesses of Devil Fruits.

Based upon this and the fact the defensive Barrier seems to be a set distance away from Bartolomeo: It firstly: Only works against mid and long distance attacks. This means it is weak against the most common form of fighting: close combat. Hence it is not overpowered as it pays a price for being extremely effective.

 

[Caliburn]

It is a defensive type of DF and it can tank pretty much anything thrown at him. Akainu's lava punches,meteor spam, thread attacks... you name it and it can be blocked.
Of course, it depends on the level of the user but the ability itself grants the user the power to block anything thrown at him. That is what it means to be a barrier man.
There are infinite amount of things which can be done with barriers .For example,
If oda wants, he can give barto ability to reflect attacks coming at him.
Barriers can also be used to cage down an opponent and further cutting the supply of oxygen.

I also think this power is immune from haki, like for example, if a haki induced attack is done on the barrier, its not like it will just pass through the barrier (otherwise it would become useless since almost everyone in NW can use haki).

Also, Barto never used his barrier against bellamy, the first time it was shown was against king's punch. I can say that with confident because there are certain gestures barto did while making the barrier against king's punch(which he didn't do in other cases)

You already lost your argument with the bolded. You just bluntly assume that Haki doesn't work on it because otherwise it becomes useless? That counts for all DF. Have you forgotten the iron rule of the New World? People who solely rely on their DF power will have a short lifespan =/ So what your saying is not even a sensible argument. It's completely baseless, there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to assume something like that Haki would not work. For Bartolomeo's ability Haki users are probably the worst possible match up.

You are hyping this ability on itself way too much, it's really not that OP as you claim it to be. You can say for every DF that if you use it in that way or in that way, it will become OP, however as long as it isn't used like that, it's just wishful thinking.

 

[Frikid]

You already lost your argument with the bolded. You just bluntly assume that Haki doesn't work on it because otherwise it becomes useless? That counts for all DF. Have you forgotten the iron rule of the New World? People who solely rely on their DF power will have a short lifespan =/ So what your saying is not even a sensible argument. It's completely baseless, there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to assume something like that Haki would not work. For Bartolomeo's ability Haki users are probably the worst possible match up.

You are hyping this ability on itself way too much, it's really not that OP as you claim it to be. You can say for every DF that if you use it in that way or in that way, it will become OP, however as long as it isn't used like that, it's just wishful thinking.

You didn't really give a good reason as to why this fruit is not immune to haki. I don't think haki imbued attacks would just pass right through the barriers as that would defeat the whole purpose of barrier, which is why i said it should be immune to haki .

I assumed this fruit gives immunity against haki but this is not the reason i believe this fruit to be OP. The ability to create barrier itself is OP and the reason is stated in the first para of the quoted post.
Even if we assumed, haki imbued attacks would just go through it, a haki imbued barrier would do the job.

Maybe it is wishful thinking, but i still think the barrier fruit is OP simply because of the fact that it can create barriers.

 

[ArabianLuffy]

I just want to imagine how the tournament will be if Barto just like other pirates hates StrawHats. It's just that something all a sudden to come out of nowhere that Barto is being fanboy of StrawHats.

When things being this way now as we see. I pretty much do NOT want Luffy to fight Barto, because it sounds like Barto (which Oda is gonna ruin it) gonna do something stupid and hilarious that probably not needed by Oda himself to do. I wanna see Luffy bleeds in fight.

 

[Caliburn]

You didn't really give a good reason as to why this fruit is not immune to haki. I don't think haki imbued attacks would just pass right through the barriers as that would defeat the whole purpose of barrier, which is why i said it should be immune to haki .

I assumed this fruit gives immunity against haki but this is not the reason i believe this fruit to be OP. The ability to create barrier itself is OP and the reason is stated in the first para of the quoted post.
Even if we assumed, haki imbued attacks would just go through it, a haki imbued barrier would do the job.

Maybe it is wishful thinking, but i still think the barrier fruit is OP simply because of the fact that it can create barriers.

Incorrect. You are the one who didn't give any sensible reason as why Haki wouldn't work. I don't need to give a reason to say it would work as by default it will work, unless it would be specifically stated otherwise, for the simple reason that it was confirmed Haki can be used to negate DF powers. There is no reason whatsoever to consider that his barriers would be immune to Haki. That way it's easy to make it OP as you are the one who is making it OP. If Haki works, by default that ability steps out the realm of being OP as most prominent characters in the NW are all Haki users.

You have zero proof Haki wouldn't work and you are just randomly guessing how you think the ability could be used, but as long as it isn't used like that, it's no use considering it as that way EVERY DF can be considered OP.

And no a Haki-imbued barrier would not do the trick as then you completely disregard the difference in Haki. If the Haki of the attack is stronger, it will go through regardless. On top of that then you just confirmed what I said. Every DF can be combined with Haki, that's not something special nor OP specifically to that DF. I'm not going to say that Haki would just go through it like the barrier isn't there as that severely depends on the caliber of the Haki, however you have zero proof to say that, just because it's a barrier, it will stop a Haki attack.

Not to mention Haki itself can be used as a defensive 'barrier'. The three marine admirals blocked WB quake attack with their haki, avoiding that the platform would be destroyed.

The reality of the situation is that you entire argumentation is completely void of any kind of basis. The fruit as it is now isn't OP, you are the on who is making it OP. If you say that the Mera Mera no Mi might create flames that can not be put out by anything and can even burn magma or water, well then you are just making the DF on itself OP. That's what you are doing.

 

[Frikid]

Incorrect. You are the one who didn't give any sensible reason as why Haki wouldn't work. I don't need to give a reason to say it would work as by default it will work, unless it would be specifically stated otherwise, for the simple reason that it was confirmed Haki can be used to negate DF powers. There is no reason whatsoever to consider that his barriers would be immune to Haki. That way it's easy to make it OP as you are the one who is making it OP. If Haki works, by default that ability steps out the realm of being OP as most prominent characters in the NW are all Haki users.

Since there is not enough information provided on Bari Bari No Mi it is difficult to prove that it is immune to haki.
but i will still try to prove it based on certain assumptions, but then again this not a 100% proof, this is just to prove that barrier being immune to haki is not as far-fetched as you are making it out to be.

Spoiler

Bellamy, who have the knowledge of haki , good enough knowledge to comment Luffy on his haki. He has entered the New World and we know the golden rule of the New World which you mentioned in previous posts. He also wants a high position in DD's Pirates which would be stupid to try without having possession of haki. All of these things lead to one conclusion that bellamy possess haki but it is still an assumption as there is no page where it is stated that he have haki.
We know that bellamy's punch was blocked by barto's barrier which proves barto's barrier have the capability to block haki attacks. Now there are a lot of assumptions taken in this case which are : Bellamy possess haki and that he used haki imbued attack on barto.
With certain assumptions, this is as far as i can get to prove barto is immune to haki from what we know as of now.But this assumption is done in barto's favor, it is also possible bellamy's second attack in which he managed to get hold of barto was an haki imbued attack and it passed right through his barrier because it was a haki attack.

You have zero proof Haki wouldn't work and you are just randomly guessing how you think the ability could be used, but as long as it isn't used like that, it's no use considering it as that way EVERY DF can be considered OP.

You also have a zero proof that haki would work on him.
You misinterpreted my statement, i was just mentioning the amount of possibilities which can be done with barrier fruit which in result can make it OP.I am sure i stated that those were just assumption when i stated them. When less info is provided on a fruit, one can only assume how it can be used, there is nothing wrong with that.

And no a Haki-imbued barrier would not do the trick as then you completely disregard the difference in Haki. If the Haki of the attack is stronger, it will go through regardless. On top of that then you just confirmed what I said. Every DF can be combined with Haki, that's not something special nor OP specifically to that DF. I'm not going to say that Haki would just go through it like the barrier isn't there as that severely depends on the caliber of the Haki, however you have zero proof to say that, just because it's a barrier, it will stop a Haki attack.

Not to mention Haki itself can be used as a defensive 'barrier'. The three marine admirals blocked WB quake attack with their haki, avoiding that the platform would be destroyed.

You have zero proof that haki imbued barrier would lose to attack which have a stronger haki. That way you have completely negated the difference between a haki imbued barrier and a regular haki defensive "barrier" . It is possible that a haki imbued barrier would further improve the barrier making it such that the whole barrier is to be broken for an attack to pass through and not just the haki part.

The reality of the situation is that you entire argumentation is completely void of any kind of basis. The fruit as it is now isn't OP, you are the on who is making it OP. If you say that the Mera Mera no Mi might create flames that can not be put out by anything and can even burn magma or water, well then you are just making the DF on itself OP. That's what you are doing.

I have not stated possibilities so far-fetched.You are making it look more than it actually is.The ability to block in itself is OP . As i mentioned earlier, it is not an offensive type of fruit but rather defensive.

We were told that one cannot possess more than one DF in his body BUT Blackbeard is an exception to this case.
Similarly, haki does effect most of the DF users but exceptions are always there.