[Discussion] One Piece General Discussion thread

[The Big Boss]

Obviously not. If a marine admiral would become the world's most infamous criminal, everyone would know. Yet, Dragon's origins where shrouded in mystery and no one know exactly where he came from.

This also tracks with the time line as during the GVI he was still only a cadet. Sixteen years later when the OI took place, he was already a freedom fighter and would found the RA soon after.

It's unlikely that Dragon would have risen to the rank of admiral in that short of a time period. Akainu, who is of the same generation, was still a VC at the time of the OI. And based on Dragon's reaction in the latest chapter, I doubt he would've remained a marine for long after the GVI. I also think Dragon himself said he was only briefly a marine (not entirely sure, though).

The only reason i think he has a chance of even being an admiral is because the world government can change facts and erase history.

 

[Punk Hazard]

The only reason i think he has a chance of even being an admiral is because the world government can change facts and erase history.

When Garp tells Kuzan that Dragon left the Navy, the depiction of his age matches the depiction of his age here in the flashback right now.

He already had his goatee and his hair started going grey around the time of Ohara, so I think Dragon leaves around the time of God Valley

 

[Caliburn]

The only reason i think he has a chance of even being an admiral is because the world government can change facts and erase history.

The WG can alter records, but they can't alter people's memories on a whim. The admirals are not only the Marines' most prominent force, they are also its 'face' to the world.

What you're implying here is that Dragon, despite clearly have shown to not mix well with the Marines already as a cadet, somehow was able to have a blitz career that even dwarfs Akainu's, but then for some reason disappeared and then the WG found the need to cover it up, but found no need to cover Dragon up when he became known as the leader of the RA?

That makes no sense.

Aokiji left the Marines and even joined BB's crew, yet did people suddenly forget he used to be an admiral? If the WG already tried to eradicate him from the records, it sure didn't do much. There's a flash back of Vivi when she was young during a Reverie where they talked about Dragon. These were kings and queens who ruled the world, yet none of them knew that the mystery guy they branded as the Worst Criminal in the World was a former admiral? Even Robin was taken by surprise when she learned who Dragon exactly was.

It would already be surprising if Dragon held any position higher than 'cadet' in the Marines before he left seeing his behavior in the latest chapter, let alone that of admiral.

 

[minamoto]

The only reason i think he has a chance of even being an admiral is because the world government can change facts and erase history.

what matterz if dragon was admiral or vice?????...any wayz new spoilerz showed that dragon*********** a celestial dragon...

 

[The Big Boss]

The WG can alter records, but they can't alter people's memories on a whim. The admirals are not only the Marines' most prominent force, they are also its 'face' to the world.

What you're implying here is that Dragon, despite clearly have shown to not mix well with the Marines already as a cadet, somehow was able to have a blitz career that even dwarfs Akainu's, but then for some reason disappeared and then the WG found the need to cover it up, but found no need to cover Dragon up when he became known as the leader of the RA?

That makes no sense.


It would already be surprising if Dragon held any position higher than 'cadet' in the Marines before he left seeing his behavior in the latest chapter, let alone that of admiral.

Cadets, can be easily forgotten. I’m hoping he refused promotions, but that would imply the WG know how strong he is at a young age. In your scenario he left when he was younger as cadet.

the old theory dragon used be an admiral was formed years ago, it was based on something like this:

Spoiler: Admiral theory

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[Caliburn]

Cadets, can be easily forgotten. I’m hoping he refused promotions, but that would imply the WG know how strong he is at a young age. In your scenario he left when he was younger as cadet.

the old theory dragon used be an admiral was formed years ago, it was based on something like this:

Spoiler: Admiral theory

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Dragon was 17 at God Valley, so he really was a genuine cadet cadet. Based on what we know of his personality, he really wouldn't be sticking around much longer after the GVI. There's also no reason for a cadet to perpetually refuse promotions.

And I think you only posted a small fragment of the Admiral Dragon Theory, but based on that alone I'm assuming it's one of those theories that's almost exclusively based on someone milking out elements from real life and then thinks Oda just copy pasted the entire thing into his story.

I don't have a very high opinion on this kind of 'theories'.

 

[The Big Boss]

Dragon was 17 at God Valley, so he really was a genuine cadet cadet. Based on what we know of his personality, he really wouldn't be sticking around much longer after the GVI. There's also no reason for a cadet to perpetually refuse promotions.

And I think you only posted a small fragment of the Admiral Dragon Theory, but based on that alone I'm assuming it's one of those theories that's almost exclusively based on someone milking out elements from real life and then thinks Oda just copy pasted the entire thing into his story.

I don't have a very high opinion on this kind of 'theories'.

Found online,no credit to me (copy and paste) :


Oda likes to use myths, legends and fables, e.g. “fable” backwards = Elbaf. In chinese mythology, there are said to be 4 seas: North, South, East and WestThose 4 seas are represented by four colors: Yellow, Blue, White and RedThey have also been represented by different animals over the time including a Monkey, a Bird, a Dragon, and a Dog

This of course screams:

A north sea with a yellow monkey = Admiral KizaruA south sea with a blue bird = Admiral AokijiA west sea with a red dog = Admiral Akainu

-> That would leave the East Sea = Admiral White Dragon (Shiroryu)

There is a similar myth that supports this:

The myth is about a king who had 4 loyal followers: One had the shape of a bird, the 2nd the shape of a monkey, the 3rd the shape of a dog, and the last the shape of a pheasant. Some day, the bird realized how evil the king was, so he left his king, but not without letting the other followers know the truth. To his disappointment, the dog was too loyal to his king, the monkey was an idiot and he couldn’t understand what’s going on, and the pheasant was simply too lazy to do something.

Now all this resembles the Admirals in One Piece a lot. The colours + the animals + the attitudes! (This time, the bird = dragon)

I believe that Sakazuki’s loyalty to the Navy and the Absolute Justice, Borsalino’s (pretended) goofiness, and Aokiji’s laziness are taken from those myths, hence I believe that the White Dragon, who saw the truth about the evil of his king, is Monkey D. Dragon, Admiral Monkey D. Dragon, with the person of the “King” being taken by the institution of World Government.

Growing up as the son of the famous and renowned Marine officer Monkey D. Garp, combined with the experiences of racism, humiliation and discrimination he made while living on Dawn Island, it’s plausible that Dragon joined the Marine or the WG with hopes of changing the world. But he had to realize (like the Dragon in the myth), that the WG is too evil, too set in their ways, and that the system couldnt be changed. He deserted his position, formed the Revolutionaries and dedicated 100% of his effort to achieving his goal: Changing the world, changing the system, erasing racism, discrimination and humiliation from the world.

I say “dedicate 100%”, because he didnt even take care of his own son, or he wasn’t able to take care of him.

Whatever the case may be, something must have happened in his life, to trigger a young man to abandon his former life and to start a life of secrecy and rebellion. And since love & romance are not a big subject in One Piece at all, I doubt that his Wife (Luffy’s Mom) or even Garp’s Wife (Dragon’s own Mom) have much to do with this. I believe the evil of the WG, that he experienced at first hand, triggered Dragon’s decision to start a revolution.

What do you think about Dragon’s Past?

*Theory by Gobee129

 

[Caliburn]

Found online,no credit to me (copy and paste :


Oda likes to use myths, legends and fables, e.g. “fable” backwards = Elbaf. In chinese mythology, there are said to be 4 seas: North, South, East and WestThose 4 seas are represented by four colors: Yellow, Blue, White and RedThey have also been represented by different animals over the time including a Monkey, a Bird, a Dragon, and a Dog

This of course screams:

A north sea with a yellow monkey = Admiral KizaruA south sea with a blue bird = Admiral AokijiA west sea with a red dog = Admiral Akainu

-> That would leave the East Sea = Admiral White Dragon (Shiroryu)

There is a similar myth that supports this:

The myth is about a king who had 4 loyal followers: One had the shape of a bird, the 2nd the shape of a monkey, the 3rd the shape of a dog, and the last the shape of a pheasant. Some day, the bird realized how evil the king was, so he left his king, but not without letting the other followers know the truth. To his disappointment, the dog was too loyal to his king, the monkey was an idiot and he couldn’t understand what’s going on, and the pheasant was simply too lazy to do something.

Now all this resembles the Admirals in One Piece a lot. The colours + the animals + the attitudes! (This time, the bird = dragon)

I believe that Sakazuki’s loyalty to the Navy and the Absolute Justice, Borsalino’s (pretended) goofiness, and Aokiji’s laziness are taken from those myths, hence I believe that the White Dragon, who saw the truth about the evil of his king, is Monkey D. Dragon, Admiral Monkey D. Dragon, with the person of the “King” being taken by the institution of World Government.

Growing up as the son of the famous and renowned Marine officer Monkey D. Garp, combined with the experiences of racism, humiliation and discrimination he made while living on Dawn Island, it’s plausible that Dragon joined the Marine or the WG with hopes of changing the world. But he had to realize (like the Dragon in the myth), that the WG is too evil, too set in their ways, and that the system couldnt be changed. He deserted his position, formed the Revolutionaries and dedicated 100% of his effort to achieving his goal: Changing the world, changing the system, erasing racism, discrimination and humiliation from the world.

I say “dedicate 100%”, because he didnt even take care of his own son, or he wasn’t able to take care of him.

Whatever the case may be, something must have happened in his life, to trigger a young man to abandon his former life and to start a life of secrecy and rebellion. And since love & romance are not a big subject in One Piece at all, I doubt that his Wife (Luffy’s Mom) or even Garp’s Wife (Dragon’s own Mom) have much to do with this. I believe the evil of the WG, that he experienced at first hand, triggered Dragon’s decision to start a revolution.

What do you think about Dragon’s Past?

*Theory by Gobee129

As I said, it's primarily based on the assumption that an external pattern was copy pasted directly into OP.

Granted, the reasoning isn't that far-fetched, but the reality is that you didn't even need to involve all this mythological stuff as the whole idea Dragon had been a former marine, but left because of a significant incident, has been around for a long time since it narratively made a lot of sense.

So, the only new thing this theory brings to table, is whether he was an admiral or not and that option has by now been almost completely removed as the pattern on which that idea was based, does not apply anymore.

 

[The Big Boss]

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[minamoto]

tis is huge retconz..becoz in one of chapterz saint saturn say kuma was teh only bucaneer left..and now it says blackbread is also bacaneeer..

 

[The Big Boss]

tis is huge retconz..becoz in one of chapterz saint saturn say kuma was teh only bucaneer left..and now it says blackbread is also bacaneeer..

They can lie about anything.

 

[minamoto]

They can lie about anything.

yee im pised of now..also i dont like how tis manga lasting so long..

 

[The Big Boss]

yee im pised of now..also i dont like how tis manga lasting so long..

Maybe Morgans wrote one piece.

Spoiler: One piece author

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[Yin]

Who's yall fav character? I think Saint Saturn and Ulti are mine. I loosely watch it so I may be missing out on a good bunch but those two really popped out on me.

 

[Caliburn]

They can lie about anything.

Based on a comment I read on Reddit, the original Japanese text only mentioned Kuma being a survivor, not the last survivor.

Who's yall fav character? I think Saint Saturn and Ulti are mine. I loosely watch it so I may be missing out on a good bunch but those two really popped out on me.

...ulti I can somehow understand, OP characters are basically pokemon at this point, but Saturn? Even if you favor villains and antagonistic characters, this choice feels rather...peculiar.

 

[Yin]

Based on a comment I read on Reddit, the original Japanese text only mentioned Kuma being a survivor, not the last survivor.

...ulti I can somehow understand, OP characters are basically pokemon at this point, but Saturn? Even if you favor villains and antagonistic characters, this choice feels rather...peculiar.

Oh? How so? I didn't expect this kinda response.

 

[minamoto]

Maybe Morgans wrote one piece.

Spoiler: One piece author

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yes teh story of one piece itself is a massive oda deception...acording ro my greatest teory and calculations i tiscovered that one piece wold is flat not sferikal...
it was hinted in chapter 28 if i'm not wrong..when usop waited for black cat pirates..teh way he predicted where north is seemed like it would work only on flat earth model...

lufy's adventure in end wil prove how imu tricked everyone into believing that world lufy and other inhabitants live in is sferikal but in truth it's flat..

 

[The Big Boss]

yes teh story of one piece itself is a massive oda deception...acording ro my greatest teory and calculations i tiscovered that one piece wold is flat not sferikal...
it was hinted in chapter 28 if i'm not wrong..when usop waited for black cat pirates..teh way he predicted where north is seemed like it would work only on flat earth model...

lufy's adventure in end wil prove how imu tricked everyone into believing that world lufy and other inhabitants live in is sferikal but in truth it's flat..

flat earth ? What about the moon ?

 

[Caliburn]

I think this sums up my current state of mind after reading the last chapter.

 

[Horus]

I'm at the Foxy Pirate's arc right now... I've never heard a more annoying laugh in my life