[Discussion] One of the worst drugs of all

[Senju Bean]

Is one that your body naturally makes.

Cortisol

Basically the stress chemical.


I've been told that medication to de-stress, regardless of unhealthy side effects, is better for your health than the stress itself.


Is this true?

Anybody in the field of medicine can chime in on this?

Should I listen to a doc that suggests meds to de-stress?

 

[Cunning Linguist]

Who told you that? Adrenaline doesn't cause the type of stress that you're thinking of

 

[Senju Bean]

Who told you that? Adrenaline doesn't cause the type of stress that you're thinking of

I know people that died because of stress.

 

[Cunning Linguist]

I know people that died because of stress.

Adrenaline causes stress, but think of it more as a force being exerted on your body to force it to perform at a higher level. The stress that killed those people is an entirely different chemical reaction in the brain

 

[Senju Bean]

Adrenaline causes stress, but think of it more as a force being exerted on your body to force it to perform at a higher level. The stress that killed those people is an entirely different chemical reaction in the brain

I read somewhere that producing adrenaline constantly will destroy a persons body because it prevents healing.

 

[Cunning Linguist]

I read somewhere that producing adrenaline constantly will destroy a persons body because it prevents healing.

Sure if you did it constantly. But that would be nearly impossible. Eventually your body would adapt to the conditions that causes it thanks to homeostasis

 

[Peace Maker]

No its not the worst drug of all is happy deepy, basicly your high for 5 days, and if your high is gone, i mean the effect youll just want more and if you dont have the G youll end up thinking to kill yourself.

 

[SRShock10]

No, it won't. You're thinking of the cortisol steroid which is constitutively expressed. It's more likely you'll rather gain resistance to epinephrine and norepinephrine considering they're peptide hormones.

Take it from a Biochemistry major (BS) and pharm minor, who's gotten (Magna) Cum Laude. And a thesis in endocrinology

 

[SRShock10]

**Cortisol being constitutively expressed with abnormal stress level, I mean. You'll also find that in adrenal diseases.

 

[SenjuOmar]

Actually this site is the worst drug I've done I just keep coming back and I can't get enough

 

[Senju Bean]

Sure if you did it constantly. But that would be nearly impossible. Eventually your body would adapt to the conditions that causes it thanks to homeostasis

That could be the case.

But take alchohol for example. People drunk all the time eventually adapt to it because of homeostasis. They build a higher tolerance. But eventually their liver fails.


Perhaps adrenaline is like alchohol. It destorys the body in the long run, regardless of adaptation.

 

[Senju Bean]

No, it won't. You're thinking of the cortisol steroid which is constitutively expressed. It's more likely you'll rather gain resistance to epinephrine and norepinephrine considering they're peptide hormones.

Take it from a Biochemistry major (BS) and pharm minor, who's gotten (Magna) Cum Laude. And a thesis in endocrinology

Ok, my mistake.

Then cortisol is one of the worst right?

The positives from taking risky meds outweigh the negative side effects?

Basically, get rid of stress at all costs? Is that the right action?

 

[Cunning Linguist]

That could be the case.

But take alchohol for example. People drunk all the time eventually adapt to it because of homeostasis. They build a higher tolerance. But eventually their liver fails.


Perhaps adrenaline is like alchohol. It destorys the body in the long run, regardless of adaptation.

But your body wouldn't produce it in the long run. Adrenaline is not easy to make. That's why its kind of a big deal when your body decides to use it. Listen to the cum guy that commented earlier. He sounds like an expert. I only have a minor in biomedical engineering

 

[Yusuke Urameshi]

I was also gonna mention that you mean cortisol, but that's kind of moot at this point.

I'm only a freshie majoring in Biology. You both have me outdone. :/

 

[SRShock10]

Well, not exactly. Cortisol is good too since it primes cells to degrade tissue to provide metabolites to the liver to make and shuttle back glucose and ketones. So, that would be good for exercising, sleeping, or starving. The problem is is that when people are stressed and eat, the cells don't take up the postprandial nutrition so feasibly since they're trying to degrade their own reservoir (they're initially insulin insensitive, temporarily). So, when that happens, you get a huge insulin surge and the "spilloff" of insulin instead triggers fat to grow as well. Ever seen anyone bloat up like a cow while taking prednisone for allergies, infections, and athletic injuries? It's for the reason it's not being expressed normally and added in times of feeding.

In short, it's very important and needed for times when you're not eating and absorbing from your GI tract in order to keep your body fueled. But it can be bad if your body becomes chronically overwhelmed to the steroid because of the degradation and immunosuppression. Also negative effects on the brain with chronically high levels

 

[Senju Bean]

Well, not exactly. Cortisol is good too since it primes cells to degrade tissue to provide metabolites to the liver to make and shuttle back glucose and ketones. So, that would be good for exercising, sleeping, or starving. The problem is is that when people are stressed and eat, the cells don't take up the postprandial nutrition so feasibly since they're trying to degrade their own reservoir (they're initially insulin insensitive, temporarily). So, when that happens, you get a huge insulin surge and the "spilloff" of insulin instead triggers fat to grow as well. Ever seen anyone bloat up like a cow while taking prednisone for allergies, infections, and athletic injuries? It's for the reason it's not being expressed normally and added in times of feeding.

In short, it's very important and needed for times when you're not eating and absorbing from your GI tract in order to keep your body fueled. But it can be bad if your body becomes chronically overwhelmed to the steroid because of the degradation and immunosuppression. Also negative effects on the brain with chronically high levels

The thing is, I'm very busy and actually have issues that causes stress. Not the good kind. The bad kind of stress.

Changing my lifestyle is not an option.


I'm thinking about going on meds to counter the negative effects of stress, that way I can keep up my lifestyle without dying.

 

[Wildtangent]

I am a nurse going for my masters and this is what I know...

There is such a things as good stress and bad stress. Good meaning emotions like excitement and bad can be something like being wigged out over an exam or something.

While you should take into consideration what your doctor has to say it is also very important as a patient to keep yourself educated about your own body. There are plenty of drugs one can take to "de-stress" However one should also find where this stress is coming from.

Our bodies respond to things (stressful things) using something called a "fight or flight" syndrome(when our bodies feel stressed it is signaled to get rid of the stress). It is when our body produces adrenaline to either fight something that might harm us or run from something that might harm us- it is designed for our best chance for survival "in the wilderness". So for instance if someone is stressed about an exam this stress has negative side effects because the individual isn't going to physically fight or run from the exam (or at least we hope they don't) so they sit there and the adrenalin our body produces turns into cortisol and norepinephrine which are substances that destroy and weaken muscle. If someone has enough stress it can cause things like heart diseases, stomach ulcers and other issues. You can google these things for more information on the physiology on how this process actually works.

Any time an individual puts something into their body there is some sort of side effect. Like eating produces energy but if we eat too much we can become overweight and sluggish. To tackle stress I always find that working out (cardio and heavy weight lifting especially) really produce great results. By working out you are forcing your body to use that adrenaline before it turns into something that destroys your muscle and body. Exercise will also make you feel less stressed if done regularly enough and vigorously enough. Not to mention keep you healthy

If an individual chooses drugs they should ALWAYS ask their doctor about the potential side effects and also do some research on their own. Sometimes doctors go to serious drugs right away when maybe there is a lesser approach to take (not saying this is your doctor but it is something to think about). Any time an individual puts something into their body there will always be a consequence sometimes good and sometimes bad.

Here comes my disclaimer! I am not your medical professional and I don't know your background this is just my opinion on what I know.

 

[SRShock10]

Yeah... that's tough. You could go with meds, but I think that is the last thing you should try over other methods. Exercise is good, *** is analogous if not better... Breathing/meditation also help. Try to take a vacation too if you've been at it for a long time. Go scuba diving in the ocean if you haven't- the life underwater is very active and busy, but most importantly- it's one of the most serene places you can visit.

 

[Cunning Linguist]

I am a nurse going for my masters and this is what I know...

There is such a things as good stress and bad stress. Good meaning emotions like excitement and bad can be something like being wigged out over an exam or something.

While you should take into consideration what your doctor has to say it is also very important as a patient to keep yourself educated about your own body. There are plenty of drugs one can take to "de-stress" However one should also find where this stress is coming from.

Our bodies respond to things (stressful things) using something called a "fight or flight" syndrome(when our bodies feel stressed it is signaled to get rid of the stress). It is when our body produces adrenaline to either fight something that might harm us or run from something that might harm us- it is designed for our best chance for survival "in the wilderness". So for instance if someone is stressed about an exam this stress has negative side effects because the individual isn't going to physically fight or run from the exam (or at least we hope they don't) so they sit there and the adrenalin our body produces turns into cortisol and norepinephrine which are substances that destroy and weaken muscle. If someone has enough stress it can cause things like heart diseases, stomach ulcers and other issues. You can google these things for more information on the physiology on how this process actually works.

Any time an individual puts something into their body there is some sort of side effect. Like eating produces energy but if we eat too much we can become overweight and sluggish. To tackle stress I always find that working out (cardio and heavy weight lifting especially) really produce great results. By working out you are forcing your body to use that adrenaline before it turns into something that destroys your muscle and body. Exercise will also make you feel less stressed if done regularly enough and vigorously enough. Not to mention keep you healthy

If an individual chooses drugs they should ALWAYS ask their doctor about the potential side effects and also do some research on their own. Sometimes doctors go to serious drugs right away when maybe there is a lesser approach to take (not saying this is your doctor but it is something to think about). Any time an individual puts something into their body there will always be a consequence sometimes good and sometimes bad.

Here comes my disclaimer! I am not your medical professional and I don't know your background this is just my opinion on what I know.

Seems like he just wants the drugs.

 

[Wildtangent]

Seems like he just wants the drugs.

I'm assuming his doctor is talking about tranquilizers. They are addictive and like anything else- they may "relax you" but at a price. All "magic" comes with a price and although, when we are young, we don't realize it it could harm us in the long run.