[Theory] one bullshit that dizpoints me in the naruto manga

[the entire forum]

senju clan was assupll/plot device in the first place...so just to make some rival clan to uchiha clan

 

[ssjelf]

ok ok ok you got me...im mad a little...but not mad becuz the story didn't go the way i want...if we speak thouroughly...the Rin Rin Rin shit in obito..what i mean exactly...is the Sudden change happned in obito and he how he turned into a naruto fanboy after he got the talknojutsu from him....also im not against the previous hokages edo-ressurection...but im against how easy there edo-resurection happned ,while its should be very difficult...their souls were sealed for good by shinigami...but it wasn't hard at all for oro to bring their souls back from shinigami...not to mention how soul-less zetsu was sacrified for ritual of edotensei, while Kabuto explained it well that a living soul is required to be sacrified to be a vessel of the resurrected....also...i dont like how kishimoto breaks his rules he himself stated...for exemple the only way to unfree the bijuus or the juubi is to unseal it/them ...however naruto was able to extract the bijuus from obito...like it was very easy process....in concclusion....i dont care of plotholes...becuz a mangaka is forgiven when he makes plotholes...becuz he is humain like us...but a mangaka who lies whatever it fits him and his manga and breaks the rules he himself set in the form of "exeptions"...he is a bad writer for me and some kind of cheater

Yeah I can agree with that. The way I cope with it is just that the "rules" we get are usually from people and i guess to quote itachi "people live their lives bound what they accept as correct and true and that's how they define reality" it also applies here to me. Just because someone says something doesn't make it true even if they seem to be some extremely knowledgeable shinobi. they can only work within their own experiences with things. So for instance sealing/unsealing the bijuu. We only have what the basic ninja world has to know about it, not what can really be done. Is this making sense???

Sure I am kinda just dodging the problems with that logic but its kinda like how every anime character always say "that's impossible!!!!" well clearly the rule wasn't what that character thought it was.

 

[ktruon5]

You give all these reasons why Kishi is a f*ck up... Then praise him for his character/character development in Hashi and Madara. Kishi's an author. Doing a chapter a week and then releasing it having to build upon previous chapters, fix plot holes, and keep everything coherent is very taxing. There will be slip up and obvious plot holes missed. But given time he's done a great job of tying up loose threads. It's a manga. Give it time to develop. But also realize it is someone's artistic creation. You won't always like everything they do.

 

[minamoto]

that's also what i'm doing (the second option) but, really the only reason i said "no complaining" is for your own sake bro/for your own health lol

for me the last good arc in part 2 was the "pain invasion", after that it became way too messy, stopped making sense, contradicted some of the already established facts and overall it's poor writing.

complaining about it is pointless :yeah:

true...i also think the manga become boring after the obito's reveal

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

You give all these reasons why Kishi is a f*ck up... Then praise him for his character/character development in Hashi and Madara. Kishi's an author. Doing a chapter a week and then releasing it having to build upon previous chapters, fix plot holes, and keep everything coherent is very taxing. There will be slip up and obvious plot holes missed. But given time he's done a great job of tying up loose threads. It's a manga. Give it time to develop. But also realize it is someone's artistic creation. You won't always like everything they do.

- first of all, you said it it's a "Manga" and an author is as good as his audience say he is (he's not writing this for himself).

- second, give what room/time to develop ?? the series is almost done (too late).

- and third there's nothing wrong in pointing out/voicing what's wrong in the series/what he didn't like (form his prospective) so ..........................

 

[Draw]

Eh once u know its ashura's chakra that made hashirama so strong u don't really look at the senju DNA thing being relative to the senju clan. What made the hype of the senju clan was hashirama and his inherited power is now in naruto so it would be the same thing as gasming over the uzumaki clan in modern narutoverse

 

[ktruon5]

- first of all, you said it it's a "Manga" and an author is as good as his audience say he is (he's not writing this for himself).

- second, give what room/time to develop ?? the series is almost done (too late).

- and third there's nothing wrong in pointing out/voicing what's wrong in the series/what he didn't like (form his prospective) so ..........................

Everyone's not going to say an author good just like everyone isn't gonna say he's bad. People have different taste...
True the story is almost over but lately there's been a lot of loose ends covered lately
No there isn't. But to take it to this level of frustration and say he's a bad writer/cheater is going to far.. What's wrong to him might not be wrong to the next guy..

But yea I guess it is his opinion.. Everyone has one... So.............

 

[ssjelf]

Eh once u know its ashura's chakra that made hashirama so strong u don't really look at the senju DNA thing being relative to the senju clan. What made the hype of the senju clan was hashirama and his inherited power is now in naruto so it would be the same thing as gasming over the uzumaki clan in modern narutoverse

What about Tobirama and that genjutsu senju though (forgot her name) sure hashi was made good by ashura chakra but also the senju clan was pretty formidable on its own.

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

Everyone's not going to say an author good just like everyone isn't gonna say he's bad. People have different taste...
True the story is almost over but lately there's been a lot of loose ends covered lately
No there isn't. But to take it to this level of frustration and say he's a bad writer/cheater is going to far.. What's wrong to him might not be wrong to the next guy..

But yea I guess it is his opinion.. Everyone has one... So.............

OP never said anything about Kishi being OVERALL a bad writer, he seems to be a fan of the series that's just mad about a couple if things that he provided/explained (if he thinks Kishi is a total failure he wouldn't have read/watched /liked the series and got this frustrated).

and even if he says Kishi is a terrible writer, like you said it's still his opinion but, that's not the case here.

 

[Honord Sage]

It's Kishi story not your's or mine,it develops as He choses,some fans simply assume that the Senju were all powerful Automatically but it docent work that way,The Senju,Uchiha,Uzumaki and Hyuga are the Grandchildren of Kaguya and each have a role to fulfill in the Manga at a due time to complete the over all story.

 

[xZonda]

I feel your frustration and I agree to a point( that kishi didn't develop the sensju story) . Also, trust me, nobody is a bigger Hashirama fan than me ( my opinion), but u have to try and see the story differently . Why don't you try and think about the following :
- this 4th war wouldn't exist without Hashirama
- Madara wouldn't be anyone without Hashirama
-Obito wouldn't be anyone about Hashirama.
Basically , any of these strong ass villans and such , would be anything without OUR LORD HASHIRAMA!
I see him as a hero , but remember that this manga is called Naruto.
I say this to u:
Hashirama is the true king of this Manga!!
Believe it!!
Peace

 

[sgt]

i think you have an issue with understanding the words: reincarnation and transmigration. Reread the last chapters and perhaps you get your answer why hashirama is not the reincarnation of ashura anymore.

and besides, you are taking it too seriously. The Senju clan was ONLY special because of hashirama having the wood release and stuff. Why was HE praised and not his brother or any other clan member ?

That is your answer: Senju is nothing without hashirama, so 0 importance giving to the fact they are fodder without their leader.
Ofcourse, compared to the Uchiha, where there were high skilled OP characters such as: Sishui, Itachi, Madara ( not counting sasuke because he didnt achieved shit on his own way, and would been fodder without itachi) So those 3 above were highly skilled and could solo anyway with their skill.

So basicly Senju only had Hashirama, while the Uchiha had enough members within their clan who could've been OP chars if still alive.

 

[flyboyissac]

I have to say our correct I though someone was ready to bash the series

All tho naruto do have senju dna in him because of his mother
Maybe ashura picked him since the sage probably told him about the prophcey

 

[minamoto]

i think you have an issue with understanding the words: reincarnation and transmigration. Reread the last chapters and perhaps you get your answer why hashirama is not the reincarnation of ashura anymore.

and besides, you are taking it too seriously. The Senju clan was ONLY special because of hashirama having the wood release and stuff. Why was HE praised and not his brother or any other clan member ?

That is your answer: Senju is nothing without hashirama, so 0 importance giving to the fact they are fodder without their leader.
Ofcourse, compared to the Uchiha, where there were high skilled OP characters such as: Sishui, Itachi, Madara ( not counting sasuke because he didnt achieved shit on his own way, and would been fodder without itachi) So those 3 above were highly skilled and could solo anyway with their skill.

So basicly Senju only had Hashirama, while the Uchiha had enough members within their clan who could've been OP chars if still alive.

Don't get the wrong idea bro why??...becuz of 2 things :

1 :

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2 : dont forget that most outstanding memebers of uchiha clan had SENJU'S WILL OF FIRE ,i mean itachi, kagami,shitsui

 

[Yatori]

i think kishi wants to emphasize uzumaki more afterwards.. i means come on uzumaki clan should have something with it as the biggest tailed beast is passed down to uzumaki right ? even rinnegan can be only took by uzumaki.

 

[Kurama999]

Author do not reveal everything. only reveal when it reach a point to explain. old man did not tell anything to naruto because its mother job to do so. if obito reveal himself during the fight between him and his mentor, nobody like it. just like addiction, and each fan like to praise theiir own character. try to read some fiction novel and read more manga then asked the writer why they make you addict...btw this manga had to compile with you then we were still in genin training as war still far far away maybe another 3 yrs later 4th war then start...

 

[minamoto]

Author do not reveal everything. only reveal when it reach a point to explain. old man did not tell anything to naruto because its mother job to do so. if obito reveal himself during the fight between him and his mentor, nobody like it. just like addiction, and each fan like to praise theiir own character. try to read some fiction novel and read more manga then asked the writer why they make you addict...btw this manga had to compile with you then we were still in genin training as war still far far away maybe another 3 yrs later 4th war then start...

the one who fought Minato was the immortal Madara = the 2nd madara controlling obito

 

[ssjelf]

i think you have an issue with understanding the words: reincarnation and transmigration. Reread the last chapters and perhaps you get your answer why hashirama is not the reincarnation of ashura anymore.

and besides, you are taking it too seriously. The Senju clan was ONLY special because of hashirama having the wood release and stuff. Why was HE praised and not his brother or any other clan member ?

That is your answer: Senju is nothing without hashirama, so 0 importance giving to the fact they are fodder without their leader.
Ofcourse, compared to the Uchiha, where there were high skilled OP characters such as: Sishui, Itachi, Madara ( not counting sasuke because he didnt achieved shit on his own way, and would been fodder without itachi) So those 3 above were highly skilled and could solo anyway with their skill.

So basicly Senju only had Hashirama, while the Uchiha had enough members within their clan who could've been OP chars if still alive.

You are telling me Tobirama is fodder. You are telling me Tsunade is fodder. You are telling me Toka senju is fodder. okay.......