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It has been a while since my last "big" theory, but this is something I've been thinking about a lot lately..
So as we have seen, I believe it is okay to say that a person in Naruto consists of a body and a soul. The soul seems to be able to exist forever, however, it needs a body to function.
When a person dies his soul goes somewhere else. I will call this place heaven (stupid I know, but easier, lol).
The earth will then be the place, where the soul can function, meaning inside a body. A soul cannot exist on the earth without a body.
The place between the earth and heaven, I will call this the medium between the 2 worlds.
A few notes/facts about heaven:
A few notes/facts about the earth:
The reason I said there is a "medium" between earth and heaven is due to what we saw, when Kakashi met his father, after he died:
We see that Kakashi told his father that he was proud of him, and that he thought that his father did the right thing in protecting his friends. He forgave his father for committing suicide - so to speak.
After receiving his sons forgiveness, Sakumo says that he can finally move on, to where Kakashis mom is. So I would say that she is in heaven, and Sakumo - due to his feelings about what he did, and how his son thought of him - was not able to go to heaven. I mean most people that commits suicide do regret it in the last moment.
However, meeting his son and learning how he was thinking, made him realize that he could move on, and that he didn't let down his son.
The importance of my thread comes now:
Due to these facts, I would say that a soul that has reached heaven, has fulfilled its purpose on earth. This means it has moved on, and that it is somewhat cleared from its feelings. We saw many of the people "resurrected" with edo tensei were pretty careless about it. For instance the 1st and 2nd hokage, weren't exactly cheering on Hiruzen, they were just accepting that they had to fight him.
Regarding the war arc, we see some of the shinobi being revived were able to release the edo tensei on their own. I would say that their souls came from the medium between heaven and earth. The reason is that once they were able to clear their feelings, they became ready to move on to heaven. The power of this feeling was stronger than the edo tensei, and thus they were able to break it, and go to heaven. You could wonder, why Kabuto didn't just revive them again, but well you know, plot..
My conclusion
We have 3 worlds. A soul is "born" with a body, and the soul contains the emotion and feelings the body gains during its lifetime. If the soul cannot "accept" its death due to its feelings, it cannot move on to heaven, thus it is full of very strong feelings.
If the soul is later able to put these feelings in order, or to relieve itself of the things that happened it the past, it can fulfill the terms it needs in order to move to heaven. When this is done, the feelings and power will be so strong that it can move to heaven.
Another important thing is as we see Kakashi meeting his father. When a person dies, he will be in this medium for a short while, before it can move on to heaven. I can't really say, what happens in this time, but you could see this in a "real" world perspective. The time you are in the medium, is the time where you can still be revived, for instanced through 1st aid, or whatever..
Now why is all this important, regarding Madara and rinne tensei?
Well I saw a thread once, regarding the rinne tensei, and how Madara couldn't be revived with it. I believe that rinne tensei can only revive people who are still in the "medium". This will explain a lot, and it will explain why Nagato couldn't revive Jiraya - for instance. As well as many other people that died before he learned rinne tensei. For instance Yahiko. I mean if he knew rinne tensei at the time, he would have used it, right?
Anyway, regarding Madara. I believe he must have found to a way to place his "soul" in this medium upon his death. Perhaps his feelings was just strong enough for it, or he actually found a way to do it. Nonetheless, this would explain how he could be revived with rinne tensei even 20 years after his death - for instance. It may even has something to do with his feelings for his brother, and that he thinks he will let his brothers eye go to waste, unless he brings "peace" to the world (or what you could call it from his perspective).
Anyway I hope this wasn't too complicated, it is hard to put much evidence, but I can't really see how else the rinne tensei would work. Also it can explain many of the "weird" happenings in Naruto especially regarding edo tensei, and how Kakashi could meet his father - as well as how some people could break the edo tensei bond on their own. :ice:
So as we have seen, I believe it is okay to say that a person in Naruto consists of a body and a soul. The soul seems to be able to exist forever, however, it needs a body to function.
When a person dies his soul goes somewhere else. I will call this place heaven (stupid I know, but easier, lol).
The earth will then be the place, where the soul can function, meaning inside a body. A soul cannot exist on the earth without a body.
The place between the earth and heaven, I will call this the medium between the 2 worlds.
A few notes/facts about heaven:
- A soul wont have memories from this place, if it returns to the earth.
- A soul wont have any understanding of time in this place.
- You may say that a soul brought back from heaven to earth wont know that even a second has passed since its body "died".
- A soul can only enter heaven, if its feelings are ready
A few notes/facts about the earth:
- A soul must be bound to a body to exist on the earth.
- A soul can exist in another body than its own, however, this requires specific jutsu such as edo tensei.
- A soul contains a bond to the DNA from its original body.
The reason I said there is a "medium" between earth and heaven is due to what we saw, when Kakashi met his father, after he died:
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We see that Kakashi told his father that he was proud of him, and that he thought that his father did the right thing in protecting his friends. He forgave his father for committing suicide - so to speak.
After receiving his sons forgiveness, Sakumo says that he can finally move on, to where Kakashis mom is. So I would say that she is in heaven, and Sakumo - due to his feelings about what he did, and how his son thought of him - was not able to go to heaven. I mean most people that commits suicide do regret it in the last moment.
However, meeting his son and learning how he was thinking, made him realize that he could move on, and that he didn't let down his son.
The importance of my thread comes now:
Due to these facts, I would say that a soul that has reached heaven, has fulfilled its purpose on earth. This means it has moved on, and that it is somewhat cleared from its feelings. We saw many of the people "resurrected" with edo tensei were pretty careless about it. For instance the 1st and 2nd hokage, weren't exactly cheering on Hiruzen, they were just accepting that they had to fight him.
Regarding the war arc, we see some of the shinobi being revived were able to release the edo tensei on their own. I would say that their souls came from the medium between heaven and earth. The reason is that once they were able to clear their feelings, they became ready to move on to heaven. The power of this feeling was stronger than the edo tensei, and thus they were able to break it, and go to heaven. You could wonder, why Kabuto didn't just revive them again, but well you know, plot..
My conclusion
We have 3 worlds. A soul is "born" with a body, and the soul contains the emotion and feelings the body gains during its lifetime. If the soul cannot "accept" its death due to its feelings, it cannot move on to heaven, thus it is full of very strong feelings.
If the soul is later able to put these feelings in order, or to relieve itself of the things that happened it the past, it can fulfill the terms it needs in order to move to heaven. When this is done, the feelings and power will be so strong that it can move to heaven.
Another important thing is as we see Kakashi meeting his father. When a person dies, he will be in this medium for a short while, before it can move on to heaven. I can't really say, what happens in this time, but you could see this in a "real" world perspective. The time you are in the medium, is the time where you can still be revived, for instanced through 1st aid, or whatever..
Now why is all this important, regarding Madara and rinne tensei?
Well I saw a thread once, regarding the rinne tensei, and how Madara couldn't be revived with it. I believe that rinne tensei can only revive people who are still in the "medium". This will explain a lot, and it will explain why Nagato couldn't revive Jiraya - for instance. As well as many other people that died before he learned rinne tensei. For instance Yahiko. I mean if he knew rinne tensei at the time, he would have used it, right?
Anyway, regarding Madara. I believe he must have found to a way to place his "soul" in this medium upon his death. Perhaps his feelings was just strong enough for it, or he actually found a way to do it. Nonetheless, this would explain how he could be revived with rinne tensei even 20 years after his death - for instance. It may even has something to do with his feelings for his brother, and that he thinks he will let his brothers eye go to waste, unless he brings "peace" to the world (or what you could call it from his perspective).
Anyway I hope this wasn't too complicated, it is hard to put much evidence, but I can't really see how else the rinne tensei would work. Also it can explain many of the "weird" happenings in Naruto especially regarding edo tensei, and how Kakashi could meet his father - as well as how some people could break the edo tensei bond on their own. :ice:
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