[Theory] "Omni", and The Three Doujutsu

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Hello everyone. Thanks for opening up this page. I will be more thankful if you completely read the theory and left valuable comments.
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After reading the last chapter of Naruto i.e., chapter no. 463, I beginning to think the way to defeat Uchiha Madara. That guy is just way too powerful for anyone to defeat him.
But then I remembered what Itachi said about him, that he is a pathetic shell of his former self. That means once he was truly invincible and now he is weakened, to what extent we don't know. :confused:.
But the way he played with pain, sasuke and kakashi, yamato and naruto strongest of 2days narutoverse, shows he is still more powerful than anyone.
Then is there any way to defeat Mr. Madara.
I think there is.
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I searched on this forum but I did not found any theory running on same line I am about to introduce. This theory is not created by me, but I will say this is surely is best theory I have read on any forum. Compliments to .
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Ever since I read this , I've been wondering about Uchiha Madara's powers, and how he appears out of no where, .

My questions were,
How is he able to appear out of no where? How is he getting rid of body parts to dodge attacks? How is Madara able to do all of this? He knew Sasuke was on his way to Konoha, but how did he know exactly where to appear?

Well, I took a trip back to the first time Naruto and Tobi met. Chapter 395.

Shino's jutsu was none other than perfect. , and . Yet, somehow through some cruel trick Mr. Madara was able to . Out of something that anyone normally should have been caught in. Look at Shino, that it happened. The technique was supposed to hit, there was no "if's", "ands" or "buts".

So, I began to wonder, what exactly is this? It's not like the Fourth's jutsu where the . It has to be something completely different, something on another level than that. There were no seals, no summoning tattoos, (which refers to how the Fourth summons himself) nothing, just like . Well we all know that Kishimoto is a big mythological guy, he likes it and he pulls idea's from it, hence the Kyuubi. So, I decided to kinda go out of the box.
What if Kishimoto based the Three Great Doujutsus on God?
Large font for a "dun" "dun" dunnn" moment. Lmao xd

People always relate the doujutsu to the three basic principles of a ninja.
Taijutsu =
Ninjutsu =
Genjutsu =

Though they may seem equal, we must endeavor to search for the real meaning of these doujutsu. They were after all "The Three Great Doujutsu", and just because one is in one area of combat doesn't make it great. The word great calls for somthing more powerful, and something that I think Kishimoto has kind of fooled us all with. He got us to think that these doujutsu just were good in one area of combat, but yet the true secrets of these doujutsu have been sitting right there before our eyes.

I believe that Madara's (or EMS, to be specific) ability is " ", the ability to be present anywhere. The question arises, how does this relate towards the Sharingan? What evidence is there that something as great as "omniprensence" lies within the Sharingan? Remember this page, more importantly .

I personally think that Itachi hinted to it several times. By Itachi's information, that "by gaining control of the Kyuubi, you pay blindness". This blindness refers only to the Mangekyou Sharingan, and not the EMS. How? Itachi says it again. The , which is Omnipresence, or the ability to be present anywhere, something that Madara has shown far too many times. By gaining the ability to appear anywhere, or be present anywhere it is safe to say that this has also been keeping him alive; ,

I knew that the secret to these legendary doujutsu's had to be much more than just the ability to cast really good genjutsu, or the ability to use all techniques, or the ability to see anything. That really doesn't make them legendary at all. Through the Sasuke and Deidara fight, we see that even if one can see chakra, and can beat an opponent out elementally, that does not mean they will win. Deidara's long ranged attacks almost put the Sharingan to shame. If it wasn't for the genjutsu he cast on Manda, he would have died.

Well wouldn't such a power make him invincible? The question arises, how did Shodaime defeat him then? He had the EMS before he fought him? How would he lose? If Madara was truly immortal, and over 80 years old, he must have surely been aged by now. Tsunade is 50, and we see how she looks when she uses her seal. There is no way a man over 80 years old, appears to have just a few . What I think, the more Madara uses his power of Omnipresence, the more it ages him, the more it makes him weaker, and the closer you come to defeating him, or beating him. So it's safe to say that his over use of his god-like power will eventually kill him.

Kishimoto, in my opinion has been alluding to this for a while. If the Sharingan has the power of Omnipresence, then the other three doujutsu should have a power right? Of course they do, and we saw the Rinnegan's. Kishimoto however, tricked us into thinking that it wasn't so important when it really was. I believe the Rinnegan's true power wasn't mastery of Ninjutsu, however , or all power. We saw , but since the chapter and chapter before that were so emotional, I think Kishimoto tricked us into not revealing it's importance. After all the chapter focused mainly on the lives of the people, not necessarily the techniques being used. The Rinnegan could allow anyone to use any jutsu, and has the power over life and death. Is that not more than just being the best in ninjutsu? Imagine if someone that was less emotional and more cold hearted had the Rinnegan instead. Kishimoto made us think that Pain/Nagato's power was drawn from the pain he had experienced, limiting him mentally to us, and blinding us to the overall vastness of the greatest doujutsu, The Rinnegan, or the power of Omnipotence. But just as I have said before, if he had such power, why did he die? Surely he could have exercised Omnipotence over his own life and kept himself alive right? Remember, just like I said before use of his god-like power will eventually kill him. This was

What about the Byakugan?:confused: This great doujutsu is getting sidelined or outcast, dont you think?
I assume they have the power of " ", or more speifcially "inherent omniscience". (Seen on same link). We are talking about a clan that has the ability to know where each chakra point on the body is, . However, I think the true omniscient technique of the Byakugan has been used once before, but Kishimoto has hid it from us. Such has been said in their history, . And since the Hyuuga are no doubt one of the oldest known doujutsu clan, they were severely punished for revealing their Omniscient technique, and . Such a technique, being able to know anything, . We won't see it through Konoha, and if we did , I fear Hinata is too weak. :'( . The only real way we could see it is if the

The Best Way To Beat Madara.
For the longest I've been wondering about how Shodaime defeat Madara, and it hit me. Endurance! If the weakness to the Omnipotent technique is over-use as shown with Nagato, then the weakness must apply to an Omnipresent one, which is seen in the fact that Madara was able to . Surely they were rivals, and though they were able to match each other in endurance, Hashirama failed in really killing him. The fact that Endurance is also needed to defeat Madara, as it is shown by Minato. He knew Madara was powerful and to endurance, was given to Naruto. Not only does the Kyuubi help heal Naruto, but it also lends him an unimaginable source of power, and chakra. Seeing as the Final Secret of the EMS is Omnipresence, a simple technique wouldn't have been enough, because if it was, I surely bet that Minato would have given him a technique instead of power for endurance, that technique being his very own, FTGT. (Flying Thunder..you get it.) Now it is clear as to why Kishimoto hasn't been giving Naruto techniques in the series, because he is focusing on giving him more endurance, so he can fight longer. We see that with Sage Mode. At first Naruto could only do it by himself, . When I read that I knew something was fishy...There is no way Naruto, someone of high endurance doesn't use an awesome technique for more than one try. He couldn't fuse with the toads, so how was he going make it longer? of course. A technique that requires the ultimate endurance, something that Kishimoto has given him since the beginning. Also read this theory .

So all in all, Naruto could be able to defeat Madara one day. Maybe if he learns how to either control the Kyuubi's power, or get rid of it without dying. Then he would be able to fuse with the toads and use Sage Mode a heck of a lot longer.

So what do you think? Do you think that Sharingan/Madara could actually have this power? Isn't it strange that they all seem to harbor some ultimate technique?Do you think it's some other technique? What ideas do you have about the doujutsus?...
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Pretty Deep and interesting Theory. I've always said that if you can outlast a Sharingan user because the abilities take so much chakra away then you can beat them, remember Kisame and Itachi's first invasion of Konoha Kisame and Itachi kept having to flee and Itachi had to take it easy and not over do it as Kisame would say. Guess we'll have to see
 

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not so sure Kishi's inspiration was God. I don't see why he would be inspired by such a holy and good entity and put it in the ultimate villain in his own story, especially to bestow such a power to an accursed doujutsu.
 

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Sounds very beleivable and seems well put together, the only thing i would change is him controlling the fox. If he had complete control over the fox he could use that to make genjutsu useless against him as kirabi did when he fought taka. This would make more sense as seeing the sharingan is a doujutusu of genjutsu.
 

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i don't think naruto will be able to fuse with toads, but i think if he fully control the kyuubi's chakra, he will join that chakra with is own chakra and sage chakra, then he will be able to endure more than anyone.
 

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cool theory but there are 2 things that i dont agree with:
1.nagato didint die of rinnengan overuse he died cuz he used his reviving jutsu with low chakra lvls.
2.both sharingan and MS/EMS have more to them than genjutsu...like ameratsu sansu...
 

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SSJ4... I don't know why you're posting this theory when you already know about the Hindu inspiration behind the 3 doujutsus.
 

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Very nice.
thanks...
Pretty Deep and interesting Theory. I've always said that if you can outlast a Sharingan user because the abilities take so much chakra away then you can beat them, remember Kisame and Itachi's first invasion of Konoha Kisame and Itachi kept having to flee and Itachi had to take it easy and not over do it as Kisame would say. Guess we'll have to see
thanks...
It makes me think nice theory, well put together hey anything is possible in Narutoverse
thanks.
not so sure Kishi's inspiration was God. I don't see why he would be inspired by such a holy and good entity and put it in the ultimate villain in his own story, especially to bestow such a power to an accursed doujutsu.
After reading manga you will come to know Madara actually do not fit exactly in evil category.
cool theory but there are 2 things that i dont agree with:
1.nagato didint die of rinnengan overuse he died cuz he used his reviving jutsu with low chakra lvls.
2.both sharingan and MS/EMS have more to them than genjutsu...like ameratsu sansu...
U r right, but MS and EMS has more to it than genjutsu. But most important is other MS jutsus can be avoided, but only thing that can not be avoid is sharingans genjutsu. Look for chiyo said when she saw itachi.
SSJ4... I don't know why you're posting this theory when you already know about the Hindu inspiration behind the 3 doujutsus.
Yes I know Hindu inspiration, but that inspiration is also from gods, isnt' it?.
By the way? hindu inspiration is one way of looking at it, and what I have presented above is another way of looking at it. Anyways I dont see any reason why hindu inspiration will oppose this theory.
 

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Very interesting theory. I could never bring up such thorough theories so I just lurk about and give thumbs up to the theories I particularly like lol. This is one of them :)

This is going to make me sound retarded but I never even made the connections between ninjutsu/rinnegan, taijutsu/byakugan, genjutsu/sharingan, so the omni part totally blew my mind lol.
 

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This Theory should get stickyed. It's soooo damn good.

Omnipresence it makes sense in the larger picture. However with the recent advancements in Sasuke's arsenal, i strongly feel that Madara will be defeated by him. Or at least great weakened(maybe even injured) by sasuke. Only then will naruto come in and save the day.

My question is, we now have a fairly accurate theory on what Madaras abilities are. Or at least one...

In the manga, it's said that Madara grew blind from his MS soon after gaining it(due to it's constant use), then took Izunas to gain EMS(eternal light). Sasuke is pretty much in the same boat. However he has taken the MS to a level that even itachi couldn't. When he receives the EMS (it's kind of inevitable) what do you think he will gain with the omnipresence? How do you take omnipresence to the next level?
 

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There is another thing:

Madara said Naruto HAS to fight Sasuke.... Its the eternal combat ...
That eternal combat is what Naruto wants to end isn't it?


How about this:

Naruto and Sasuke - The two Rivals who are destined to continue the chain of hatred team up and destroy the last remnant of the old grudge being madara..
only then could naruto achieve his second goal ... and through that he would be made hokage and therefore achieve his primary goal :)
 

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This Theory should get stickyed. It's soooo damn good.

Omnipresence it makes sense in the larger picture. However with the recent advancements in Sasuke's arsenal, i strongly feel that Madara will be defeated by him. Or at least great weakened(maybe even injured) by sasuke. Only then will naruto come in and save the day.

My question is, we now have a fairly accurate theory on what Madaras abilities are. Or at least one...

In the manga, it's said that Madara grew blind from his MS soon after gaining it(due to it's constant use), then took Izunas to gain EMS(eternal light). Sasuke is pretty much in the same boat. However he has taken the MS to a level that even itachi couldn't. When he receives the EMS (it's kind of inevitable) what do you think he will gain with the omnipresence? How do you take omnipresence to the next level?
going further omnipresence I seems only one way is to be present in any time, dats how sasuke can revive his clan. But there has to be some limit to power, isnt it? I think they can be god-like not god itself.
There is another thing:

Madara said Naruto HAS to fight Sasuke.... Its the eternal combat ...
That eternal combat is what Naruto wants to end isn't it?


How about this:

Naruto and Sasuke - The two Rivals who are destined to continue the chain of hatred team up and destroy the last remnant of the old grudge being madara..
only then could naruto achieve his second goal ... and through that he would be made hokage and therefore achieve his primary goal :)
Quite possible. But look at it this way?
Madara said Uchihas were pressurised by senjus, senjus remained leaders and uchihas worked under the. One way to remove this grudge is giving title of hokage to one Uchiha, Here we sasuke and naruto is his rival.
Naruto wanted to be hokage only b'coz hokage was respected by evryone but naruto only got isolation and hatred. But Naruto now is loved by evryone, he has achieved evrything he wanted, then now I dont think so he will become hokage and with will grant the title to sasuke as it seems the only possible way to remove ageold grudge...
 

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"People always relate the doujutsu to the three basic principles of a ninja.
Taijutsu = Byakugan
Ninjutsu = Rinnegan
Genjutsu = Sharingan"
I would agree

"What I think, the more Madara uses his power of Omnipresence, the more it ages him, the more it makes him weaker, and the closer you come to defeating him, or beating him. So it's safe to say that his over use of his god-like power will eventually kill him."
If this was true then Madara wold have been dead long ago... Awesome point about how the hell did the 1st Hokage beat/ defeat a EMS using Madara???

Thats all I could read for now...

will finish later on :D:D:D
 

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I would agree



If this was true then Madara wold have been dead long ago... Awesome point about how the hell did the 1st Hokage beat/ defeat a EMS using Madara???

Thats all I could read for now...

will finish later on :D:D:D
we really dont know that at this moment. Kishi said 4th was strongest of all hokages, he could not defeat madara, even when he had endurance, then how did 1st beat. Only answer we can say is other beasts. Maybe some beasts holded back kyuubi and remaining helped against madara.
Or
Madara faked his defeat for some greater purpose.
 

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very good theory! the three omni-capacities...wow...

but i couldn't understand byakugan's omniability.

But wouldn't rinnnegan have omniprescence too? like with the paths of pain and hence, by having many bodies, omniscience?
 
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