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1% of them and that's like millions of people in this world, have NOT!
Child abuse is what I'm calling this. You can't just simply say that things would be alright after whooping your children.
They deserve love, but as long as they are not getting that, the worse they become.
Which leads them to grow up as bullies and being in a gang .. This has consequences to the other children and their behavior!

unfortunately other kids teach kids to do bad violent things ..

also if you don't teach your kid before they begin to learn, they'll start being evil like baddy badd bads..

people should really teach the right thing and that has nothing to do with school;)
 

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Because You grew up in Europe. Try to open Your eyes My dear.How Old are you?
I received a heavy Spanking from my Mom, when I was Younger, But I didn't lose my respect for her.
I never thought My mom abused her authority towards me and my other siblings.

But she never Say Hurtful things to us, Like I don't Love you etch..
and She was giving us proper Warnings, It was us who were stubborn not to listen to her teachings.

Props to you for being strong...*_*
 

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1% of them and that's like millions of people in this world, have NOT!
Child abuse is what I'm calling this. You can't just simply say that things would be alright after whooping your children.
They deserve love, but as long as they are not getting that, the worse they become.
Which leads them to grow up as bullies and being in a gang .. This has consequences to the other children and their behavior!
Ummm...it is alright, seeing that im fine and my feelings never changed after my mother whooped me nor did i go out and bully other people and join a gang. And we all see what happens when you dont whoop your child ever, they go on Nb and call out child abuse :rolleyes:
 

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Because You grew up in Europe. Try to open Your eyes My dear.How Old are you?
I received a heavy Spanking from my Mom, when I was Younger, But I didn't lose my respect for her.
I never thought My mom abused her authority towards me and my other siblings.

But she never Say Hurtful things to us, Like I don't Love you etch..
and She was giving us proper Warnings, It was us who were stubborn not to listen to her teachings.

Funny, I never said I never got spanked. Bleh, I don't care what happened in the past.. I only care for the future.
I'm seventeen. My mother only hit me twice in my life and for that I already forgave her.
But it isn't going to change the way about how I think of it. Abusing of the child is wrong.
I'm sorry to hear that from you, but what your mom did to you was wrong.

A question: would you hurt your own son/daughter like your mother did? Or something like in the video.
I don't really see the point in "spanking" and "hitting" your children.

My parents let me sleep without having dinner, look that might sound cruel. But that's a real punishment instead abusing.
 

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Funny, I never said I never got spanking. Bleh, I don't care what happened in the past.. I only care for the future.
I'm seventeen. My mother only hit me twice in my life and for that I already forgave her.
But it isn't going to change the way about how I think of it. Abusing of the child is wrong.
I'm sorry to hear that from you, but what your mom did to you was wrong.

A question: would you hurt your own son/daughter like your mother did? Or something like in the video.
I don't really see the point in "spanking" and "hitting" your children.

My parents let me sleep without having dinner, look that might sound cruel. But that's a real punishment instead abusing.
Okay spanking your child is WRONG...but not letting your child eat dinner is OKAY.......
 

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^ Yes, spanking is wrong.

Ummm...it is alright, seeing that im fine and my feelings never changed after my mother whooped me nor did i go out and bully other people and join a gang. And we all see what happens when you dont whoop your child ever, they go on Nb and call out child abuse :rolleyes:

What are you talking about? Geez, you are getting on my nerves. >_>
 

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I quit reading after your first sentence. Wow, are you serious?
Is that the same as hitting your child? Doesn't that hurt?

Spanking is child abuse and should be forbidden.

It really depends upon the child.

I'm the type of person that can be entertained by thought, alone. So grounding me is not really all that effective, particularly considering I'm a rather reserved person who doesn't really have an exceptionally adventurous social life.

Spanking worked with me, mostly, because I saw that I had disappointed or upset my parents to a large degree. Eh - sure, spanking was not pleasant... but punishment isn't really supposed to be pleasant. Honestly, though, I was more flustered by the fact that I had upset my parents than the fact that I got a swat on the rear.

Though the belt was particularly effective. My dad maybe spanked me with his belt three times in my life... however - when he came home from work and took of his belt - the sound of a belt clearing belt-loops instantly reminded me of anything mom had told me to do that day that I had failed to accomplish (or any 'crimes' I had committed and hoped would not be discovered). And I went and did those things - because I did not want my parents to have reason to be so displeased with me that they would administer punishment.

Though in that - my parents were kind of asymetric. My dad was the level headed one. If he decided I was getting a spanking (and he never made rash decisions about it) - I was getting a spanking... there was no avoiding it. It was rarely more than one swat on the rear - but the sheer fact that you were being put on a sort of trial was punishment in and of itself. My mom, on the other hand - had a lightning-fast backhand that would reflexively smite you for back-talk. Thus - I learned to think about what I said before I let the words come out of my mouth.

It was then, somewhat ironic, that she would often be critical of when my father would administer spankings (this was because my grandpa - her father - was not well liked by her and her brothers because of the way he treated them and their mother... he had a very totalitarian way of running things that was not necessarily violent - but just degrading - and she did not want us kids to grow up fearing or begrudging our dad).

Anyway .... so spanking worked for me.

My youngest brother, though... you could beat the shit out of that kid and he'd look at you like: "What? That's all you've got? **** you. I'm doing what I want." ... And he would not correct his behavior to avoid getting a spanking. He didn't care. It's no surprise - he had two older brothers he was contending with. A dad-administered spanking was basically how we greeted each other.

But he did like to be the center of attention. My parents soon found that having him stand with his nose in the corner while everyone else continued to have fun and enjoy each others' company. He would break down into a sobbing mess if he was put into the corner, particularly if we had company over. And he did learn to behave because if he didn't - he had to sit out of the fun, games, and attention.

The monkey in the middle never really got out of line too much. He had to compete with the attention seeker at the bottom and my authoritarian regime at the top. About the worst trouble he'd get into was when he would start off on strange little tinkerneering projects of his that went beyond what he should have done, himself... like the time he decided to try and nail a "chin up bar" (made out of wood panneling, by the way) to his door frame. That was kind of comical - and had he actually tried it - the results would have been lesson enough, I think.

None of us are perfect - but I think we turned out okay - considering we were largely raising ourselves after mom contracted cancer and passed away. Then dad passed away a few years later.

I don't think it was just that they disciplined us. They disciplined us because they loved us and wanted us to know how to behave and respect each other (as well as other people). That was the more important principle underlying the whole thing. Even without the discipline to penalize us for doing things we shouldn't do - they mostly acted the way responsible humans should... they showed us how to do the things we should be doing, rather than simply telling us what not to do.

That's the two-sided coin to discipline. On one hand - you punish bad behavior... and on the other - you demonstrate and reinforce good behavior.
 

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Funny, I never said I never got spanked. Bleh, I don't care what happened in the past.. I only care for the future.
I'm seventeen. My mother only hit me twice in my life and for that I already forgave her.
But it isn't going to change the way about how I think of it. Abusing of the child is wrong.
I'm sorry to hear that from you, but what your mom did to you was wrong.



My parents let me sleep without having dinner, look that might sound cruel. But that's a real punishment instead abusing.

I'm not going to convince you about whether Spanking is good or bad.
We grew up in Different Environment And Culture.
And I don't know if Spanking on children is Prohibited in The Netherlands, because If I'm not mistaken , In Denmark there is a law about this.


Anyways about your Questions:
A question: would you hurt your own son/daughter like your mother did? Or something like in the video.
I don't really see the point in "spanking" and "hitting" your children.

Yes. I will implement the same discipline on my future children the way my Mother did to us. Why? I grew up just fine,
So as my other Siblings. No one grew up being Violent or something like that. We love our Mom. ^_^
 

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It really depends upon the child.

I'm the type of person that can be entertained by thought, alone. So grounding me is not really all that effective, particularly considering I'm a rather reserved person who doesn't really have an exceptionally adventurous social life.

Spanking worked with me, mostly, because I saw that I had disappointed or upset my parents to a large degree. Eh - sure, spanking was not pleasant... but punishment isn't really supposed to be pleasant. Honestly, though, I was more flustered by the fact that I had upset my parents than the fact that I got a swat on the rear.

Though the belt was particularly effective. My dad maybe spanked me with his belt three times in my life... however - when he came home from work and took of his belt - the sound of a belt clearing belt-loops instantly reminded me of anything mom had told me to do that day that I had failed to accomplish (or any 'crimes' I had committed and hoped would not be discovered). And I went and did those things - because I did not want my parents to have reason to be so displeased with me that they would administer punishment.

Though in that - my parents were kind of asymetric. My dad was the level headed one. If he decided I was getting a spanking (and he never made rash decisions about it) - I was getting a spanking... there was no avoiding it. It was rarely more than one swat on the rear - but the sheer fact that you were being put on a sort of trial was punishment in and of itself. My mom, on the other hand - had a lightning-fast backhand that would reflexively smite you for back-talk. Thus - I learned to think about what I said before I let the words come out of my mouth.

It was then, somewhat ironic, that she would often be critical of when my father would administer spankings (this was because my grandpa - her father - was not well liked by her and her brothers because of the way he treated them and their mother... he had a very totalitarian way of running things that was not necessarily violent - but just degrading - and she did not want us kids to grow up fearing or begrudging our dad).

Anyway .... so spanking worked for me.

My youngest brother, though... you could beat the shit out of that kid and he'd look at you like: "What? That's all you've got? **** you. I'm doing what I want." ... And he would not correct his behavior to avoid getting a spanking. He didn't care. It's no surprise - he had two older brothers he was contending with. A dad-administered spanking was basically how we greeted each other.

But he did like to be the center of attention. My parents soon found that having him stand with his nose in the corner while everyone else continued to have fun and enjoy each others' company. He would break down into a sobbing mess if he was put into the corner, particularly if we had company over. And he did learn to behave because if he didn't - he had to sit out of the fun, games, and attention.

The monkey in the middle never really got out of line too much. He had to compete with the attention seeker at the bottom and my authoritarian regime at the top. About the worst trouble he'd get into was when he would start off on strange little tinkerneering projects of his that went beyond what he should have done, himself... like the time he decided to try and nail a "chin up bar" (made out of wood panneling, by the way) to his door frame. That was kind of comical - and had he actually tried it - the results would have been lesson enough, I think.

None of us are perfect - but I think we turned out okay - considering we were largely raising ourselves after mom contracted cancer and passed away. Then dad passed away a few years later.

I don't think it was just that they disciplined us. They disciplined us because they loved us and wanted us to know how to behave and respect each other (as well as other people). That was the more important principle underlying the whole thing. Even without the discipline to penalize us for doing things we shouldn't do - they mostly acted the way responsible humans should... they showed us how to do the things we should be doing, rather than simply telling us what not to do.

That's the two-sided coin to discipline. On one hand - you punish bad behavior... and on the other - you demonstrate and reinforce good behavior.

That gave me a good laugh....Quite the brother you have. *_* But you are most certainly correct.
 

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People who abuse their child shouldn't be allowed to be parents.
 

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Aim64C:
Look, corporal punishments are and always been wrong in mine and millions of people eyes.
Just like your younger brother, it has no effect but depression, suffering and hate might (will) follow.
 

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Are you serious? Grounding children is a good discipline, not hurting them!
They would be/can get mentally sick of it.

some kids will only listen to beating obviously not harsh but light hits on the ass or leg something, a grounding is just hah got away this time but i agree at that age you shoudn't even yell.
 

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It really depends upon the child.

I'm the type of person that can be entertained by thought, alone. So grounding me is not really all that effective, particularly considering I'm a rather reserved person who doesn't really have an exceptionally adventurous social life.

Spanking worked with me, mostly, because I saw that I had disappointed or upset my parents to a large degree. Eh - sure, spanking was not pleasant... but punishment isn't really supposed to be pleasant. Honestly, though, I was more flustered by the fact that I had upset my parents than the fact that I got a swat on the rear.

Though the belt was particularly effective. My dad maybe spanked me with his belt three times in my life... however - when he came home from work and took of his belt - the sound of a belt clearing belt-loops instantly reminded me of anything mom had told me to do that day that I had failed to accomplish (or any 'crimes' I had committed and hoped would not be discovered). And I went and did those things - because I did not want my parents to have reason to be so displeased with me that they would administer punishment.

Though in that - my parents were kind of asymetric. My dad was the level headed one. If he decided I was getting a spanking (and he never made rash decisions about it) - I was getting a spanking... there was no avoiding it. It was rarely more than one swat on the rear - but the sheer fact that you were being put on a sort of trial was punishment in and of itself. My mom, on the other hand - had a lightning-fast backhand that would reflexively smite you for back-talk. Thus - I learned to think about what I said before I let the words come out of my mouth.

It was then, somewhat ironic, that she would often be critical of when my father would administer spankings (this was because my grandpa - her father - was not well liked by her and her brothers because of the way he treated them and their mother... he had a very totalitarian way of running things that was not necessarily violent - but just degrading - and she did not want us kids to grow up fearing or begrudging our dad).

Anyway .... so spanking worked for me.

My youngest brother, though... you could beat the shit out of that kid and he'd look at you like: "What? That's all you've got? **** you. I'm doing what I want." ... And he would not correct his behavior to avoid getting a spanking. He didn't care. It's no surprise - he had two older brothers he was contending with. A dad-administered spanking was basically how we greeted each other.

But he did like to be the center of attention. My parents soon found that having him stand with his nose in the corner while everyone else continued to have fun and enjoy each others' company. He would break down into a sobbing mess if he was put into the corner, particularly if we had company over. And he did learn to behave because if he didn't - he had to sit out of the fun, games, and attention.

The monkey in the middle never really got out of line too much. He had to compete with the attention seeker at the bottom and my authoritarian regime at the top. About the worst trouble he'd get into was when he would start off on strange little tinkerneering projects of his that went beyond what he should have done, himself... like the time he decided to try and nail a "chin up bar" (made out of wood panneling, by the way) to his door frame. That was kind of comical - and had he actually tried it - the results would have been lesson enough, I think.

None of us are perfect - but I think we turned out okay - considering we were largely raising ourselves after mom contracted cancer and passed away. Then dad passed away a few years later.

I don't think it was just that they disciplined us. They disciplined us because they loved us and wanted us to know how to behave and respect each other (as well as other people). That was the more important principle underlying the whole thing. Even without the discipline to penalize us for doing things we shouldn't do - they mostly acted the way responsible humans should... they showed us how to do the things we should be doing, rather than simply telling us what not to do.

That's the two-sided coin to discipline. On one hand - you punish bad behavior... and on the other - you demonstrate and reinforce good behavior.

this + rep right here ^
 

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I think that spanking is a method to get a point threw. I was spanked when I did bad things and it got the point threw. Don't do bad things.
 

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I don't really understand why you guys are arguing about this. Most of us here are, without a doubt, raised in different countries around the world, which plays a big part in this. Some cultures allow spanking, some don't, and some even think it's okay to be violent towards kids.

I grew up in Norway, a country that prohibits any kind of violence towards children, which is basically an important law here. I was taught that spanking or hitting your kids were bad things, so I grew up thinking that. I would probably have thought differently if I was born on the other side of the earth.

Just because the country you grew up in says it's wrong to hit children, doesn't mean it will be considered wrong in the eyes of others. For some, it might be normal to beat their children, and that's what they were raised to think. Arguing about it will neither help nor change anything.
 

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Aim64C:
Look, corporal punishments are and always been wrong in mine and millions of people eyes.

That's fine.

You raise your kids the way you want to, I'll raise mine the way I want to. Those who have both the most effective genes and development strategies will inherit the earth.

Just like your younger brother, it has no effect but depression, suffering and hate might (will) follow.

You... don't get it.

When you spanked him, it was a -challenge- in his mind. You could read it on his face. "Oh yeah? You think that's going to stop me?"

He wasn't being punished by a spanking. He was being challenged to a pissing contest, basically. And my parents never continued that pissing contest to the point where he would have lasting physical marks (such as bruising). He didn't cry after a spanking, he might give a slight grunt-hiss... then he'd whip around and look you in the eye.

What actually caused him the most 'trauma' was being left out of things.

For me - it never caused depression. Lectures and time-outs/grounding didn't work. As combative as my youngest brother was, physically; I was intellectually. "I knew exactly what I was doing when I did it - don't sit and talk to me like I'm a peon with an IQ of merely 100. You think that you're going to be able to explain the consequences of my behavior better than I could within the first 5 seconds of prompting the idea?" And putting me in the corner or grounding? That's designated brooding time while I take a few moments to ponder on the physics of soap bubbles.

But a good swat on the rear set it straight that there were consequences for my actions beyond "what you did was wrong, and now we're gong to make you sit and brood about it." Further - it exemplified that my parents were upset with me to the point where talk was not enough... they knew I had thought about it before I did it - and chose to do it. They didn't assume I didn't know or that it was a lapse of judgement to be counseled.

Had they not - my personality is very, very manipulative and is the archetype prone to sociopathic behavior (such as serial killing). Would I have become one if they had just given me time-outs? ... If I made it to this late in life without killing someone - probably not. However, I was a brooding little ball of contempt through a lot of my teenage years with genuine hatred held for a lot of my 'peers.'

I would certainly have been more prone to -attempting- various forms of predatory behavior without a more complete understanding of the reality that there are consequences beyond "Now, little Timmy, what you did is very wrong and hurt others." I had to learn a thing called restraint and control/discipline if I didn't want to deal with unpleasant (rather than insulting) consequences.
 

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Oh come on. Even Jesus wasn't this morally correct as some people in this thread.

I bet everybody has received 'punishment' when the were kids, you can hit you're kid without hurting him/her but making him/her understand that they've done something wrong.

I saw a video of myself a while ago, where I was being 'punished' by my parents after I did something wrong. I had to slap my own hand just like my parents used to do when I did something bad. I slapped it really soft but I was in tears and drama, not because of the pain but because of the shame that I knew I did something wrong. Just like you give a dog a cookie when it does something good or a poke in the side when it does something bad, it's all in the conditioning.

When you learn at a young age what is right and wrong, with a few slaps on the wrist and bottom you'll benefit from it you're entire life.

I hate kids who are in charge of their parents lives, you can still spoil you're kid without giving in to his/her need after every tear. I think this video is more cute then it is shocking, that kid isn't being abused, she probably did something bad and knows what is coming next. Who else would otherwise film it and post it on youtube, kid is just being disciplined.


This happens when your kid is in charge >.>
[video=youtube;aIB0zkBYvB8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIB0zkBYvB8[/video]
 
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Kids belong to their parents, whether you like it or not.
 

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Well, i do feel bad for the girl but teaching someone disipline is right. If they don't learn, they will eventually turn into spoiled brats and turn into racist bastards.

Kids belong to their parents, whether you like it or not.

I cant remember a time when my parents hit me and I turned out ok. How can I say I turned out ok? Well I am about a year ago of becoming an assistant professor at a university and I hope to eventually become a professor
 
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