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Thanks man!!!



I think somebody is jealous

There are different versions of the story. The most popular contains the Crab references AND there are two seperate demons under the guise of a Tiger and a Bull, and they end up befriending Momotaro anyway. On top of this, the Pheasant was found first, then the Dog, then the Monkey.



Oh? It's not?


30th September 2013, get rekt mate, Codeprovider uploaded that video around the same time. So yes, I've definitely been plagiarising and copying my own theory, damn, what an ******* I am for thinking I can get away with copying myself
Then You should have linked this in the first post >_> damn.
But as it stands,

I disagree with:

Sabo dying
Coby eating the Mera Mera No Mi
Coby killing Kizaru LOL
Coby defeating Akainu
(Smoker vs Dragon)

Also the Orange crab part is plausible but I don't think it will happen soon.
 

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Thanks man!!!



I think somebody is jealous

There are different versions of the story. The most popular contains the Crab references AND there are two seperate demons under the guise of a Tiger and a Bull, and they end up befriending Momotaro anyway. On top of this, the Pheasant was found first, then the Dog, then the Monkey.



Oh? It's not?


30th September 2013, get rekt mate, Codeprovider uploaded that video around the same time. So yes, I've definitely been plagiarising and copying my own theory, damn, what an ******* I am for thinking I can get away with copying myself
Sources or gtfo
 
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To be honest, Sabo's death and Kizaru's defection/death struck me as odd when I read it as well.

Though, upon further contemplation I realized that it's not nearly as "impossible" as we may think. There is so much time in between current events and the events described here actually happening that we really can't say for sure the story won't progress this way.

For all we know, after the Kaidou arc we might get a special chapter focusing on Coby and revealing his very rocky relationship with the Fleet Admiral/Borsalino. Oda may foreshadow Sabo vs Kizaru in someway. Kizaru may just defect from the navy next arc. Or the arc afterwards. Oda can at anytime just 180 what we thought Kizaru was about. Anytime, guys. I mean Oda is really good at making us think we know shit about characters and their motives when we really don't. Remember Bart? Or better yet, Kuzan? We really don't know what the future holds.


I honestly find Sabo dying in a different fashion than Ace to be... -shields self from Sabo fans- a good idea. It will give Luffy that last push he needs to legitimately hate the WG enough to want to bother taking them down. Not to mention it would bring him closer to his father and give the SH reason enough to work with the Revs in accomplishing this task.

Honestly, as things are now I don't see Luffy giving enough of a shit to even bother tackling the WG. He'll definitely need some sense objective by then. I believe Sabo (aka Brother-bot plot device Mark 2) will play a key role in this.


Any-who, my point is I cannot see how people are just straight up dismissing this theory (some of which haven't even read it) when the story has more than enough time to go this route without any asspulls. People can be really sour on this here forum section.
 
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To be honest, Sabo's death and Kizaru's defection/death struck me as odd when I read it as well.

Though, upon further contemplation I realized that it's not nearly as "impossible" as we may think. There is so much time in between current events and the events described here actually happening that we really can't say for sure the story won't progress this way.

For all we know, after the Kaidou arc we might get a special chapter focusing on Coby and revealing his very rocky relationship with the Fleet Admiral/Borsalino. Oda may foreshadow Sabo vs Kizaru in someway. Kizaru may just defect from the navy next arc. Or the arc afterwards. Oda can at anytime just 180 what we thought Kizaru was about. Anytime, guys. I mean Oda is really good at making us think we know shit about characters and their motives when we really don't. Remember Bart? Or better yet, Kuzan? We really don't know what the future holds.


I honestly find Sabo dying in a different fashion than Ace to be... -shields self from Sabo fans- a good idea. It will give Luffy that last push he needs to legitimately hate the WG enough to want to bother taking them down. Not to mention it would bring him closer to his father and give the SH reason enough to work with the Revs in accomplishing this task.

Honestly, as things are now I don't see Luffy giving enough of a shit to even bother tackling the WG. He'll definitely need some sense objective by then. I believe Sabo (aka Brother-bot plot device Mark 2) will play a key role in this.


Any-who, my point is I cannot see how people are just straight up dismissing this theory (some of which haven't even read it) when the story has more than enough time to go this route without any asspulls. People can be really sour on this here forum section.
Pretty much this, except Kizaru's defection will probably be after he fights Sanji and once Coby and Smoker are both nearing Admiral level (i.e. at least as strong as current Doffy, Magellan etc)
 

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You know this is now the second time the past few weeks that you make a wall of a theory where you succeed in rendering the entire theory mute from your very first sentences. The person who writes a theory is the one who should the most critical about it. The person who writes a theory should the last one to be convinced about it. This is to ensure the objectivity of a theory as much as possible as all theories are subjective, but you can reduce that to a minimum.

And what did you say? That people will be left convinced. With other words you are already convinced that this being proven is nothing more than a formality, so you just admitted that you interpreted all of your arguments so that they would fit your theory. You first set a goal that you wanted to achieve and then consequently started interpreting everything so it would fit that goal. Despite all your glamouring about how much time you spent 'investigating', it was all for naught as biased research is pointless. It goes against the entire point of doing research in the first place. You just researched stuff while believing what you say is already true, you just needed to find more back-up for that and as a result you started seeing everything that could be interpreted as 'proof', as proof ignoring the fact that in many cases they can be easily interpreted in hundreds of different ways. You're supposed to do it the other way around.

You broke one of the most fundamental rules of making theories and if you do that, your theories are worthless as they are not even theories anymore. This is not a theory. You are picking on Sabo fans, but in the end you did exactly the same. You want this to be true and try to deny vehemently the humongous flaws it has and as a result everything you just said has become mute. It holds no value. You're no different right now than a conservative theist holding up a holy book and saying "if you read this book, you will be convinced of the true god, it's irrevocable". You are not particularly good at making theories, you are just good at fooling people and masking that your theories are in reality full of holes. You are pretty much misleading people, this has more in common with a OP fanfiction than a OP theory.

This becomes even more obvious all the way at the beginning were you said that you made an earlier almost irrevocable theory. Again the fact that you said that, makes your entire theory mute as the objectivity of all your arguments has been rendered false and if that theory was similar to this one and the previous one I read, it was no doubt likewise full of holes. More importantly the fact that your theory was proven not to be true despite you claiming it was irrevocable and then consequently tried to salvage the theory in this thread, proves that first formulate the end result you want to achieve with your result and then start researching. In the end you just want Coby to eat the fruit and as a result you frantically started searching things that could be interpreted in favor of that. What you listed here are not so much arguments proving your theory as they are excuses for yourself to avoid facing the reality that you were completely off the mark.

Seriously there are even several times you use your own theory as an argument to prove your own theory. You are reasoning in circles. Half of the time you are even trying to edit the story so that it fits your theory, it's supposed to be the complete opposite, you are supposed to edit your theory so that it fits the story. If that's not possible, it means your theory is flawed.

I'm really not going to bother again to point all the flaws and holes there are in this theory of yours. Then I'm still writing tomorrow and it's useless as you do not listen to them either way. These remarks at the bottom of your post pretty much translate as "if you do not agree with my theory, do not post here as I only want people to say it's good and certainly do not dare to point out the many holes in it". I will however make a few remarks.

The time skip only happened not even two weeks ago in the series. They have been like 2-3 days on Fishman Island, 2-3 days on Punk Hazard, 2-3 days on Dressrosa and the travel between those islands also didn't last long. We know that the Reverie is close at hand as Vivi was even preparing for it the moment the Strawhats still were on FI. A few weeks in the future, at best a few months. And then you say there's going to be another time-skip almost directly after the first, rendering the first mute. This makes absolutely no sense, you do not need to do any research for that, you only need to be able to read and understand One Piece. But you need it for your theory to work =/ You want Coby to eat the MMnM, but it just has been eaten by Sabo. So Sabo has to die. He was introduced only after Ace died. He was assumed to already be dead. Then appears to be alive, he eats the fruit, Oda doesn't like to kill characters and what is going to happen according to you? He is going to die because otherwise Coby can't eat it. So Oda introduces a 2nd brother of Luffy which he makes him appear to be dead for the longest time, then shows he is still alive, then immediately kills him...what was the point of his character then? And why bothering letting him eat the MMnM if he wanted Coby to have it? If that was his intention, he could have let Coby come with Fujitora to Dressrosa and let him eat it in the turmoil and then there was also never a point in creating Sabo in the first place if he is going to kill him not soon after. Because we didn't know much of Sabo yet, he also was ideal to let him eat a DF easily. Coby on the other hand has had no DF since chapter 2 and he always did fine without it. He is already a marine captain, the same position Smoker had at the start of the series, he has awakened his haki and he is being trained by an expert fighter who never had a DF himself. There is no reason to assume he needs one, but because you want him to have one, you write all of this. You are mutilating the entire story just so that it fits your supposed theory. The world is upside down here. This is an alternative OPvers. You have got the genuine series of Oda and then you have got yours. You claim to be using logical reasoning, start using it then.

A dragon claw and crab pincer are not the same thing.

There is very well a difference between a dog trying to bite through a crab's shell and throwing it away and Shanks blocking what would have been certain death for Coby. Shanks is Coby's shell? I mean what the hell?

And yes Oda uses many patterns, but you do not know where exactly they begin and end. Neither Zephyr nor Sengoku had any nickname of an animal and a color nor Garp for that matter, might as well involve him too. All three of them had nicknames based on their physical attributes. "Garp the Fist". "Black-Arm Zephyr". "Sengoku the Buddha". Despite that the time skip and the War of the Best was meant to bridge a generation, the reality is that Akainu, Fujitora and Kizaru are much older than Luffy. Coby on the other hand is almost the same age as Luffy. A possibility might very well be that the pattern Oda follows is that he finds new nicknames for every generation and that Coby's generation will get different names than that of Akainu. Akainu was already a vice admiral when Luffy even had yet to be born. The original Shichibukai also all had an animal theme. However that did not apply to Blackbeard, Buggy nor Law. So there is hell of a lot of liberty with all these patterns, but you ignore them, only see the things that are interesting for you.

Kizaru is in petite panel on a page? So is Bepo. Now tell me what does the story of Momotaro tell about polar bears? I mean there was a bear on the panel right besides the yellow monkey. That must mean something right? As after all according to you OP is nothing more than recycled version of the story of Momotaro.

And this list goes on and on and on. You want to make people believe that this theory is like a perfectly straight road and that you can clearly see at the end that there is no doubt that Coby is going to eat the MMnM. It's as clear a day apparently. You are just pulling wool over their eyes as the reality is that there are hundred twisted roads to the left, right, above an below into all directions. It's a maze, that's the reality and you have been so sucked up in those theories of yours you seem to have lost all touch with the real story.

But no doubt you are just going brush this all again under the table. You are picking on Sabo fans saying that they will not like it, but in reality you like it even less to face the reality that all of this is pretty much baseless bogus. You can throw around all week hundreds of these biased arguments, but it will never change the fact that your entire theory is based on loose sand that will crumble each time. In the case you somehow would have gotten something wright, it had more to do with luck than logical reasoning or research.
 
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Wow. These guys have a serious bone to pick with you, OP. I wouldn't even bother posting any theories here if I were you. Just wasted keystrokes


Edit: And he's an Admin? Lol this has really disheartened me in regards to NB as a whole. The fact that even the Administrators go on pointless tirades and formulate entire essays dedicated to attacking people personally is really quite sad. It looks like this entire website is just venomous.
 
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You know this is now the second time the past few weeks that you make a wall of a theory where you succeed in rendering the entire theory mute from your very first sentences. The person who writes a theory is the one who should the most critical about it. The person who writes a theory should the last one to be convinced about it. This is to ensure the objectivity of a theory as much as possible as all theories are subjective, but you can reduce that to a minimum.

And what did you say? That people will be left convinced. With other words you are already convinced that this being proven is nothing more than a formality, so you just admitted that you interpreted all of your arguments so that they would fit your theory. You first set a goal that you wanted to achieve and then consequently started interpreting everything so it would fit that goal. Despite all your glamouring about how much time you spent 'investigating', it was all for naught as biased research is pointless. It goes against the entire point of doing research in the first place. You just researched stuff while believing what you say is already true, you just needed to find more back-up for that and as a result you started seeing everything that could be interpreted as 'proof', as proof ignoring the fact that in many cases they can be easily interpreted in hundreds of different ways. You're supposed to do it the other way around.

You broke one of the most fundamental rules of making theories and if you do that, your theories are worthless as they are not even theories anymore. This is not a theory. You are picking on Sabo fans, but in the end you did exactly the same. You want this to be true and try to deny vehemently the humongous flaws it has and as a result everything you just said has become mute. It holds no value. You're no different right now than a conservative theist holding up a holy book and saying "if you read this book, you will be convinced of the true god, it's irrevocable". You are not particularly good at making theories, you are just good at fooling people and masking that your theories are in reality full of holes. You are pretty much misleading people, this has more in common with a OP fanfiction than a OP theory.

This becomes even more obvious all the way at the beginning were you said that you made an earlier almost irrevocable theory. Again the fact that you said that, makes your entire theory mute as the objectivity of all your arguments has been rendered false and if that theory was similar to this one and the previous one I read, it was no doubt likewise full of holes. More importantly the fact that your theory was proven not to be true despite you claiming it was irrevocable and then consequently tried to salvage the theory in this thread, proves that first formulate the end result you want to achieve with your result and then start researching. In the end you just want Coby to eat the fruit and as a result you frantically started searching things that could be interpreted in favor of that. What you listed here are not so much arguments proving your theory as they are excuses for yourself to avoid facing the reality that you were completely off the mark.

Seriously there are even several times you use your own theory as an argument to prove your own theory. You are reasoning in circles. Half of the time you are even trying to edit the story so that it fits your theory, it's supposed to be the complete opposite, you are supposed to edit your theory so that it fits the story. If that's not possible, it means your theory is flawed.

I'm really not going to bother again to point all the flaws and holes there are in this theory of yours. Then I'm still writing tomorrow and it's useless as you do not listen to them either way. These remarks at the bottom of your post pretty much translate as "if you do not agree with my theory, do not post here as I only want people to say it's good and certainly do not dare to point out the many holes in it". I will however make a few remarks.

The time skip only happened not even two weeks ago in the series. They have been like 2-3 days on Fishman Island, 2-3 days on Punk Hazard, 2-3 days on Dressrosa and the travel between those islands also didn't last long. We know that the Reverie is close at hand as Vivi was even preparing for it the moment the Strawhats still were on FI. A few weeks in the future, at best a few months. And then you say there's going to be another time-skip almost directly after the first, rendering the first mute. This makes absolutely no sense, you do not need to do any research for that, you only need to be able to read and understand One Piece. But you need it for your theory to work =/ You want Coby to eat the MMnM, but it just has been eaten by Sabo. So Sabo has to die. He was introduced only after Ace died. He was assumed to already be dead. Then appears to be alive, he eats the fruit, Oda doesn't like to kill characters and what is going to happen according to you? He is going to die because otherwise Coby can't eat it. So Oda introduces a 2nd brother of Luffy which he makes him appear to be dead for the longest time, then shows he is still alive, then immediately kills him...what was the point of his character then? And why bothering letting him eat the MMnM if he wanted Coby to have it? If that was his intention, he could have let Coby come with Fujitora to Dressrosa and let him eat it in the turmoil and then there was also never a point in creating Sabo in the first place if he is going to kill him not soon after. Because we didn't know much of Sabo yet, he also was ideal to let him eat a DF easily. Coby on the other hand has had no DF since chapter 2 and he always did fine without it. He is already a marine captain, the same position Smoker had at the start of the series, he has awakened his haki and he is being trained by an expert fighter who never had a DF himself. There is no reason to assume he needs one, but because you want him to have one, you write all of this. You are mutilating the entire story just so that it fits your supposed theory. The world is upside down here. This is an alternative OPvers. You have got the genuine series of Oda and then you have got yours. You claim to be using logical reasoning, start using it then.

A dragon claw and crab pincer are not the same thing.

There is very well a difference between a dog trying to bite through a crab's shell and throwing it away and Shanks blocking what would have been certain death for Coby. Shanks is Coby's shell? I mean what the hell?

And yes Oda uses many patterns, but you do not know where exactly they begin and end. Neither Zephyr nor Sengoku had any nickname of an animal and a color nor Garp for that matter, might as well involve him too. All three of them had nicknames based on their physical attributes. "Garp the Fist". "Black-Arm Zephyr". "Sengoku the Buddha". Despite that the time skip and the War of the Best was meant to bridge a generation, the reality is that Akainu, Fujitora and Kizaru are much older than Luffy. Coby on the other hand is almost the same age as Luffy. A possibility might very well be that the pattern Oda follows is that he finds new nicknames for every generation and that Coby's generation will get different names than that of Akainu. Akainu was already a vice admiral when Luffy even had yet to be born. The original Shichibukai also all had an animal theme. However that did not apply to Blackbeard, Buggy nor Law. So there is hell of a lot of liberty with all these patterns, but you ignore them, only see the things that are interesting for you.

Kizaru is in petite panel on a page? So is Bepo. Now tell me what does the story of Momotaro tell about polar bears? I mean there was a bear on the panel right besides the yellow monkey. That must mean something right? As after all according to you OP is nothing more than recycled version of the story of Momotaro.

And this list goes on and on and on. You want to make people believe that this theory is like a perfectly straight road and that you can clearly see at the end that there is no doubt that Coby is going to eat the MMnM. It's as clear a day apparently. You are just pulling wool over their eyes as the reality is that there are hundred twisted roads to the left, right, above an below into all directions. It's a maze, that's the reality and you have been so sucked up in those theories of yours you seem to have lost all touch with the real story.

But no doubt you are just going brush this all again under the table. You are picking on Sabo fans saying that they will not like it, but in reality you like it even less to face the reality that all of this is pretty much baseless bogus. You can throw around all week hundreds of these biased arguments, but it will never change the fact that your entire theory is based on loose sand that will crumble each time. In the case you somehow would have gotten something wright, it had more to do with luck than logical reasoning or research.
I didn't know I wasn't convinced by my own theory! Wow, you're so right! Seriously Cali, you need to get a life instead of trying to pick holes in theories that are far better than anything you've ever posted. Constructive criticism is good, but clearly you simply have a bone to pick with me.

You poor soul, you. With such a narrow mind, it's a waste of intelligence.

I've lost touch with the real story? The Manga that has influenced my life? Yeah, sure thing mate. Lets see you try and avoid infraction without that fancy little name you guard yourself with. It is clear as day to me that you simply cannot see the straight road you keep talking about. Yes, the theory is complex. Yes, it is a lot to take in (as we are generally looking in depth at over 500 chapters worth of stuff, potentially). But that doesn't make it a bad theory. What this does outline is your unworthy position as an Admin and your incapability to write concisely or succinctly, you keep dancing around the theory, not being able to read between the lines. These are signs of 'wannabe' intellectuals that have no place talking to people about their theories as if you're above them. They made the theory, you failed to de construct it.

Wow. These guys have a serious bone to pick with you, OP. I wouldn't even bother posting any theories here if I were you. Just wasted keystrokes.
Yep. It's because I'm a Sanji fan and they're too thick or too narrow minded to comprehend. The posting habits of people here is absolutely atrocious.

After doing two weeks of research and posting a theory which is more complex and well thought out than anything that the majority of people here can even dream of writing, I'm simply written off or dismissed, well, maybe you should also dismiss the story of Momotaro, that has existed for well over 3000 ****ing years. Or how about you disagree with the universal colour palette and the fact orange is a secondary colour. Can't? Oh well maybe because you're not disagreeing with the theory, you're disliking the events that entail. The theory makes perfect sense, I understand it is thought provoking and a lot to take in, but the dismissal is ridiculous and uncalled for. Especially as I'm passionate about this theory and invested a lot of time into it. Absolutely diabolical. At least on other forums, all of which are far better and don't contain idiotic ****s, there is constructive criticism that I can take on board and use to make more convincing theorems in future. You know what, f*ck this place. **** you all. If this comes true, I can say "**** you all", **** you, **** you **** you **** you. I'd like to see you try and make a better theory. Go on. Let's see how you all like it when I come around and put a middle finger in your face after arduous and perpetual research and two hours of writing and amending.

This used to be a wonderful forum, with great people, friendly staff and generally non-retards. There's no wonder people like ZiggyZ abandoned this place. I've made friends here, I've made healthy rivalries and opponents. But now look at it. Salty admins and even saltier yet zoro wanking parades and fascist Zoroist movements that only seek to persecute those not on the bandwagon. I don't care what you say anymore. I'm going. You can find me on OroJackson where people are decent as a minimum and have the brains to read as well as the manners to be nice, it's what Narutobase used to be like. It's not the fact you all disagree that annoys me, it's the sentiment of resentment and hate. It's unacceptable. There was a reason this used to have the most memberships of any anime/manga forum site on the net, but now it's just a shithole full of Zoro,Sasuke and Fairy Tail wanking ****tards with an IQ below the average of the least educated country in the world (59) : Equatorial Guinea.

P.S. Lets see how boring the OP section is without me. All of you battle junkies won't have many more debates or theories that aren't piles of shit and with little evidence at all to support.
 
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Wow. These guys have a serious bone to pick with you, OP. I wouldn't even bother posting any theories here if I were you. Just wasted keystrokes


Edit: And he's an Admin? Lol this has really disheartened me in regards to NB as a whole. The fact that even the Administrators go on pointless tirades and formulate entire essays dedicated to attacking people personally is really quite sad. It looks like this entire[I/] website is just venomous.


Right? 90% of the post was just synonyms for "You're wrong." The first three paragraphs was just him finding 20 ways to say the same thing. Thing is, if someone else, without a fancy colored name posted this, they could be eligible for infraction since he insulted him at times. He also speaks as though every single theory is bulletproof and no fanbased theory has ever had cracks in it.
 

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Right? 90% of the post was just synonyms for "You're wrong." The first three paragraphs was just him finding 20 ways to say the same thing. Thing is, if someone else, without a fancy colored name posted this, they could be eligible for infraction since he insulted him at times. He also speaks as though every single theory is bulletproof and no fanbased theory has ever had cracks in it.
Because almighty Caliburn has never been wrong about anything. And his posts are never bulletproof or contain any snide comments and bullshit. Almighty Caliburn the Great and Righteous loves to show people how great he is with his condescending messages which in all don't even make sense. Poor guy thinks he's untouchable, but when he makes himself look like an idiot he's far from it, if he loses that red name then the whole base will go ape shit on the guy, probably lynch the ****er too for being such a dickhead.

I may have the ban hammer coming if he sees this. Au revoir amigo, I enjoyed my time here, for which you've been a significant part of. Right from the age of 13 when I was incompetent through to now we've argued with, for and against eachother, for which I admit I was probably wrong on many occasions. Most of the others who played a significant roll have left, and we may be the last of a dying breed.

rinnemaki says bye bye

Omfg, he's been banned, pathetic admin is pathetic
 
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Never know that pointing out obvious holes in a theory is same as insulting a member. Not to be rude but what OP did is same as what Caliburn said. He simply set a goal and making roads to make his theory look more believable. The fist few paragraphs in this theory has so many holes in them. For them to be true Sabo somehow has to die, The fruit must be recreated,someone or Coby himself will find it, that someone must be related to Coby and should be willing to give it to Coby or Coby has willingness to accept it without thinking about how Luffy feels if he consumes it. Kizaru must be the one to fight Sanji, he must be defected for someone unknown reasons even though he's still kicking etc.

The very foundation of this theory is weak. Chances of this being true are even less than 0. I applaud OP for his hard work and the research he had done for his theory. His theories shows how passionate he is about OP but he's breaking iron rules of making a theory. As Cali said objectivity of a theory should be minimum where as it's unbelievably high in this theory. OP is refusing to explain why things that supports the contrary doesn't effect his theory which is very basic thing one must focus about while making a theory. You must be ready to answer every possible question thrown at you with a proper explanation and it should convince him/her. This theory has so many holes to be convinced by it. And I don't have to be an enemy of OP to say this.
 
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