Oldest Marvel Race?

[Lightbringer]

In the course of Marvel's publication history, there have been numerous races introduced that hold that title as oldest in the universe?

So which one is the true oldest species?



Builders


In the most recent arcs, it has been said that the "Builders" were the first in the universe which then oversaw the evolution of the universe. But let's not forget, there have been previous universes. But it doesn't specify whether or not the Builders were simply the oldest in the current universe or in all of them. It just says "at the dawn of everything" which could have many meanings.

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Celestials


So who are the Celestials? These guys are the most powerful race known and surely more powerful than the builders by lightyears. There have been claims that they were the oldest in the universe.

Quote from the comics.

"The Celestials were there at the birth of the universe. So full of pride. So… lonely. They shaped creation. They made life… from the darkness."

But one must not forget that there have been other universes before the current Marvel 616 one. Galactus mentions that they came from a twisted universe and were also mentioned to be the cause of the previous universes' collapse and Galactus' creation.

So they came from a time before the current universe and are indeed most likely older then the Builders.

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Proemial Gods


So next on the list are the Proemial Gods. I don't have much information about them, but it was said that they were the oldest organisms in the universe. So how do they correlate to the Builders?

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So I believe the Celestials are indeed the oldest race in existence considering there is clear evidence that they have existed in universes that came before.

But who are the Proemial Gods? Are they older than the Builders? Did the builders exist in previous universes as well or just the current one? It say they they were here "at the dawn of everything."

What do you guys think?

 

[PaperHERO]

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[Lightbringer]

I like this thread.

I like this comment lol

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Stan Lee.

 

[Flakez]

Pretty sure the Builders are the oldest.

 

[Lightbringer]

Pretty sure the Builders are the oldest.

Well as I've stated in the thread, there have been many universes. Galactus existed as Galan in a previous universe, and after that universe was destroyed, he was reborn as Galactus in the current universe.

The scans prove that the Celestials are beings that existed in previous universes.

There isn't sufficient evidence to say the same about the builders. I believe when they say they are the oldest in the universe, it just means they are the oldest race, native to the current universe.

However, the Celestials are far older since they came from a previous universe. Get what I'm saying?

 

[Arian]

Tom Bombadil

lol nah kidding. what about galactus himself? how old is he? isnt he from a previous univers as well? like the last surviver of that last universe?

 

[Lightbringer]

Tom Bombadil

lol nah kidding. what about galactus himself? how old is he? isnt he from a previous univers as well? like the last surviver of that last universe?

Yeah, but he's an entity, not a race of creatures.

Galan was his mortal form in the previous universe but after it ended, he was reborn as Galactus, the aspect of equity if I'm not mistaken.

In the previous universe, there was a different aspect of equity as well.



Galactus is more powerful than a Celestial, but there are some Celestials that are more powerful than him from what I remember.

 

[Arian]

Yeah, but he's an entity, not a race of creatures.

Galan was his mortal form in the previous universe but after it ended, he was reborn as Galactus, the aspect of equity if I'm not mistaken.

In the previous universe, there was a different aspect of equity as well.



Galactus is more powerful than a Celestial, but there are some Celestials that are more powerful than him from what I remember.

what about odin and the asgardians etc? arent those gods old as well?

 

[Lightbringer]

what about odin and the asgardians etc? arent those gods old as well?

Yeah but they're not the oldest in the universe.

 

[TRE MERCER]

What race is Toaa though? ​

 

[Lightbringer]

What race is Toaa though? ​

TOAA is the "The One Above All"

He is the literal and absolute God of the Omniverse.

 

[TRE MERCER]

TOAA is the "The One Above All"

He is the literal and absolute God of the Omniverse.

Yea but he doesn't have family like children? ​

 

[Lightbringer]

Yea but he doesn't have family like children? ​

Well he created everything, so everyone is his children. He's not a race, he's a unique being.

By race I mean like humans.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Well he created everything, so everyone is his children. He's not a race, he's a unique being.

By race I mean like humans.

I see. Also by race you shouldn't use humans as an example seeing as Galactus and his kind our a race and their far from humans. ​

 

[Lightbringer]

I see. Also by race you shouldn't use humans as an example seeing as Galactus and his kind our a race and their far from humans. ​

What do you mean his kind? Galactus is an entity that represents an aspect of the universe. Same with Death, Eternity, Infinity, Chaos, Order, etc.

They're not of the same race. They're all unique.

 

[TRE MERCER]

What do you mean his kind? Galactus is an entity that represents an aspect of the universe. Same with Death, Eternity, Infinity, Chaos, Order, etc.

They're not of the same race. They're all unique.

So what is the Beyonder? ​

 

[AllseeingSharingan]

Cool thread I didn't even know any of this

 

[Lightbringer]

So what is the Beyonder? ​

He's a guy that acquired omnipotent powers. I believe he was originally an Inhuman.

 

[TRE MERCER]

He's a guy that acquired omnipotent powers. I believe he was originally an Inhuman.

I thought he was from a different Omniverse and he discovered the Marvel verse by accident. ​