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Okay, fellow NarutoBaseHeads. Ever since Tobi has became serious and stopped joking around, and since Madara was revived, we've all been wondering who in h*$# is the masked man. Is he Obito? Madara? Madara's long lost brother? His son? (Ya see where this is going? lol).
First before I start assuming, (because it's so fun to play know-it-all) I want to give mad props to Kishimoto(did I spell that right?) for making all of us go crazy or just making some of us be like.....&&$@ It!! Oh well, I'll see sooner or later. So here are my predictions. Note: It's not a spoiler...sorry fellow NarutoBaseHeads
Kabuto revived Madara. As soon as Tobi seen him, he had no choice but to submit to Kabuto. And Kabuto was like "Owned punk!!" Or did Kabuto get owned? Let's look at something else:
Now Tobi warned the Kage at the meeting he will start a war if the Kage won't submit to The Moon's Eye Plan. One Kage asked him why won't he just attack now. Tobi admitted in his weakened state due to the butt whoopin Senju put on him, he could'nt. He also wanted to gather all the beast to bring back the 10 tails and activate Infinite Tsukyomi...which is exactly what Edo Madara stated was the only important thing to him.
Kabuto necro-communicated with Madara via Mu's body and explained to Madara how he made him better than he was in his "Golden Days." Kabuto also came up with his own assumptions.
One assumption was before Madara died fighting Senju he took some cells from him to attain his power. Madara also said the Rinnegan was ignited seconds before his death.
Now....when Tobi fought Konan, Konan asked him what in heck was he. Tobi used Izanagi to defeat Konan. In order to use Izanagi you have to have cells of Senju and Uchiha. Dead Madara had the cells of both too.
However, both Uchiha have certan powers. Tobi materializes and de-materializes. Madara, well...he kicks tail. My assumption is Madara and Tobi is both the same person....as far as the name. Both Uchiha had grudges against Leaf and Uchiha.My opinion: Tobi and Madara are the same. The dead Madara is indeed the real one...but about 30-40 years back. Tobi is Madara present. Before Madara died he made a clone. To make the clone live long, he stole Senju's cells.
I'm not saying they split like Mu. I'm saying that revived Madara was the Madara back then, and Tobi is the Madara now. Tobi stated he didnt want to be anyone after he got busted which could only mean Tobi may be a slighted Uchiha who has a grudge against both Uchiha, Leaf, and Madara even. Tobi didn't seem so happy when Kabuto aced him with the past Madara. Tobi wanted to be feared as Madara because the name itself suggest fear and power.
Tobi lied to Sauske and said the 9 tails attack wasnt summoned, it was an elemental event. Tobi was able to summon the 9 tails before Minato sealed him from doing it anymore. Old Madara tried to summon the 9, but couldn't either.
Tobi said he had inhuman amounts of chakra factualizing the reason why he lived a very long time. The Old Madara said he had infinite chakra as well. Madara, Itachi, and Sasuke can use The Susanoo, Amaterasu. Tobi can't.
My assumption is well, Tobi may have the cells of Zetsu, Senju, and quite possibly is Obito. Madara's personality and Tobi's are very different.
So, what are y'all takes?
 
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Wait, first you say Madara is Tobi, then you suddenly say is he Obito at the end? Which on is it?
it looks like he dunno anything but talking randomly that is worst
u all should not talk if u don't know but in that cases all are discussing like they know very well ,in real u all know nothing as much as me.:p
please don't be so proud ,remember that u are not kishimoto
 

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Okay, fellow NarutoBaseHeads. Ever since Tobi has became serious and stopped joking around, and since Madara was revived, we've all been wondering who in h*$# is the masked man. Is he Obito? Madara? Madara's long lost brother? His son? (Ya see where this is going? lol).
First before I start assuming, (because it's so fun to play know-it-all) I want to give mad props to Kishimoto(did I spell that right?) for making all of us go crazy or just making some of us be like.....&&$@ It!! Oh well, I'll see sooner or later. So here are my predictions. Note: It's not a spoiler...sorry fellow NarutoBaseHeads
Kabuto revived Madara. As soon as Tobi seen him, he had no choice but to submit to Kabuto. And Kabuto was like "Owned punk!!" Or did Kabuto get owned? Let's look at something else:
Now Tobi warned the Kage at the meeting he will start a war if the Kage won't submit to The Moon's Eye Plan. One Kage asked him why won't he just attack now. Tobi admitted in his weakened state due to the butt whoopin Senju put on him, he could'nt. He also wanted to gather all the beast to bring back the 10 tails and activate Infinite Tsukyomi...which is exactly what Edo Madara stated was the only important thing to him.
Kabuto necro-communicated with Madara via Mu's body and explained to Madara how he made him better than he was in his "Golden Days." Kabuto also came up with his own assumptions.
One assumption was before Madara died fighting Senju he took some cells from him to attain his power. Madara also said the Rinnegan was ignited seconds before his death.
Now....when Tobi fought Konan, Konan asked him what in heck was he. Tobi used Izanagi to defeat Konan. In order to use Izanagi you have to have cells of Senju and Uchiha. Dead Madara had the cells of both too.
However, both Uchiha have certan powers. Tobi materializes and de-materializes. Madara, well...he kicks tail. My assumption is Madara and Tobi is both the same person....as far as the name. Both Uchiha had grudges against Leaf and Uchiha.My opinion: Tobi and Madara are the same. The dead Madara is indeed the real one...but about 30-40 years back. Tobi is Madara present. Before Madara died he made a clone. To make the clone live long, he stole Senju's cells.
I'm not saying they split like Mu. I'm saying that revived Madara was the Madara back then, and Tobi is the Madara now. Tobi stated he didnt want to be anyone after he got busted which could only mean Tobi may be a slighted Uchiha who has a grudge against both Uchiha, Leaf, and Madara even. Tobi didn't seem so happy when Kabuto aced him with the past Madara. Tobi wanted to be feared as Madara because the name itself suggest fear and power.
Tobi lied to Sauske and said the 9 tails attack wasnt summoned, it was an elemental event. Tobi was able to summon the 9 tails before Minato sealed him from doing it anymore. Old Madara tried to summon the 9, but couldn't either.
Tobi said he had inhuman amounts of chakra factualizing the reason why he lived a very long time. The Old Madara said he had infinite chakra as well. Madara, Itachi, and Sasuke can use The Susanoo, Amaterasu. Tobi can't.
My assumption is well, Tobi may have the cells of Zetsu, Senju, and quite possibly is Obito. Madara's personality and Tobi's are very different.
So, what are y'all takes?
hey listen, i wanna say a little that can shake Narutobase.:ice:
 

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tobi could be obito because he knows kakashi and guy way to well, he knows that kakashi is living a life full of regret and might guy can't remember faces, and its true because guy could not remember kisame after fighting him three times lmao so tobi really did grow up in the leaf and that would make sense why anybody in there right mind would fight the four hokage because he knew how fast he was and how to counter it. tobi when from wanting to destroy the leaf village to controling the whole world. why did he have a beef with the leaf in the first place when hes not even madara. could it be that they left him to die and didn't bring his body back, yes obito could still be alive half his body was crush not his whole body and we know that zesu could move under ground and could have save him, who knows but tobi is from the leaf village aleast there is a 85 % chance he is
 

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tobi could be obito because he knows kakashi and guy way to well, he knows that kakashi is living a life full of regret and might guy can't remember faces, and its true because guy could not remember kisame after fighting him three times lmao so tobi really did grow up in the leaf and that would make sense why anybody in there right mind would fight the four hokage because he knew how fast he was and how to counter it. tobi when from wanting to destroy the leaf village to controling the whole world. why did he have a beef with the leaf in the first place when hes not even madara. could it be that they left him to die and didn't bring his body back, yes obito could still be alive half his body was crush not his whole body and we know that zesu could move under ground and could have save him, who knows but tobi is from the leaf village aleast there is a 85 % chance he is
super lol
he is madara ,i am sure about because ...
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This dude got so stranded in his words that he prolly confused himself. He went on and on and on that tobi is madara and madara is tobi. Then he goes and says hes Uchiha cuz he can use Izanami. As far as I understand Danzo could use Izanami, is he an Uchiha? Then the dude goes on and says its Obito. o_O!!! What in the world? Next time read your own grand troll before posting it and make sure it actually makes sense.
 

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This dude got so stranded in his words that he prolly confused himself. He went on and on and on that tobi is madara and madara is tobi. Then he goes and says hes Uchiha cuz he can use Izanami. As far as I understand Danzo could use Izanami, is he an Uchiha? Then the dude goes on and says its Obito. o_O!!! What in the world? Next time read your own grand troll before posting it and make sure it actually makes sense.
that is right but i have a question
Are u Kishimoto?:p
 

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Well no... duh! :flaw:Absolutely right noone knows squat. Am I prophesizing here? No. Did you not read the post carefully? I said I'm not some know-it-all but I'm having fun in guessing who what is....smh....Gawd...taking my opinions too seriously. You know what would be real helpful to people on this forum would be to look up opinion...because that is 95% of everyone's words on this site including mine.
But I do thank all(even the ignorant ones) for reading this thread. That was a helluva lot of reading as well as typing LOL.For those who have taken my OPINIONS for FACT:

Loosen up people. We'll all know the truth soon. Then we'll all have something[/B][/B]else to ramble about, Mmkay?:sy:[/U][/B][/U][/SIZE][/SIZE]
 

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that is right but i have a question
Are u Kishimoto?:p
Nope I am not. Btw have fun with the email the mod gonna send you.

tobi could be obito because he knows kakashi and guy way to well, he knows that kakashi is living a life full of regret and might guy can't remember faces, and its true because guy could not remember kisame after fighting him three times lmao so tobi really did grow up in the leaf and that would make sense why anybody in there right mind would fight the four hokage because he knew how fast he was and how to counter it. tobi when from wanting to destroy the leaf village to controling the whole world. why did he have a beef with the leaf in the first place when hes not even madara. could it be that they left him to die and didn't bring his body back, yes obito could still be alive half his body was crush not his whole body and we know that zesu could move under ground and could have save him, who knows but tobi is from the leaf village aleast there is a 85 % chance he is
And for you sir, what in the world are you thinking? Do you actually read the manga? I have never made an assumption on who Tobi is. But by the gods...Obito? Seriously? In all honesty This is my first assumption on who tobi is and in all honesty I really think that hes from the 1st ninja war. Because if you really study him hes wise when it comes to the old ages and we are talking way before Obito's birth. And Obito seemed as dumb as naruto at that young age. Reckless just like him too. And to those that think its Obito? Really? Some how he was all ready dead by the time Kurama attacked Konoha at about what age 10? So as of right now Kakashi is what, around his 30s lets say. And when Tobi's mask broke the dude behind it looked about danzo's age. So what is it like about, a 20-30 gap in between that he is missing? Oh I know he saw the movie click and then used a jutsu that made the remote work on only him and fast fowarded himself to about 20-30 years after.
 
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Im sure at 1 point we all thought that we had tobi figured out,but as the story continues the more confusing it gets..honestly idk who the Fudge Tobi is..but we do know some facts(which you stated) but as far as him being madara or obito we will not know until his face is revaled
 
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