They aren't though, right? Pretty sure these are 1v1
It's a pretty common joke.
Old Hiruzen takes the Sannin Gauntlet!
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Yep he gets all Edo feats, he just doesn't have unlimited chakra to spam shadow clones and elemental attacks like he did there
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Edo Hiruzen retains all of Alive Hiruzen's abilities at a lesser extent as Tobirama had stated because he's an Edo Tensei.
Logically, he should boast jutsu as powerful if not, somewhat greater than Edo Hiruzen's, but he doesn't have infinite reserves.
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Why do you guys think Tsunade wins? At first I thought so too but now I think otherwise.
At first I thought Tsunade could beat him but after thinking about it some more I agree.
Hiruzen could use suiton+raiton combo to stun her and then cut her in half with fuuton enhanced giant shuriken. Also katon+fuuton combo would wreck Katsuyu.
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And what makes you think he will be able to catch her? She has a better reaction speed then Hiruzen and can dodge his attacks. If he even tries to fight with taijutsu with her he's finished and last time I checked katsuyu was bigger than anything sarutobi has shown to be able to do
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@Ice, what makes you think Tsunade is going to stand there and let Hiruzen paralyze her? She already proved she can react to elemental attacks from Madara. She has several options to counter Hiruzen while he is performing the attacks:
- The moment Hiruzen is trying to use a jutsu, she can simply crack the ground under her former master
- She can jump in the air to avoid getting hit
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- She can summon the slug ( or a part of her ) to shield her from the impact. Now a small part of Katsuyu may not survive a direct raiton hit, however it would still protect Tsunade from most of the damage
The problem with old Hiruzen is that he can't afford to spam kage bunshins and large scale elemental attacks because of his crappy stamina. There is a reason why he only made two bunshins against Orochimaru and used only smaller katons and dotons.
In CqC he is completely outclassed and destroyed by Tsunade's superior speed, taijutsu and strength. If he tries to attack her with Enma, she can grab the monkey and beat Hiruzen to death with his own summon.
Shurikens aren't doing shit to her, not when she tanked 3 Yasaka Magatama from point blank and recovered in mere moments. We are talking about someone who can keep fighting with stabbed heart or with two giant blades in her body. There is absolutely nothing Hiruzen can do to hinder or slow her down, and basically this would be his only option to land a direct raiton-katon combo on her.
- The moment Hiruzen is trying to use a jutsu, she can simply crack the ground under her former master
- She can jump in the air to avoid getting hit
- She can use a move like this to protect herself [
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]- She can summon the slug ( or a part of her ) to shield her from the impact. Now a small part of Katsuyu may not survive a direct raiton hit, however it would still protect Tsunade from most of the damage
The problem with old Hiruzen is that he can't afford to spam kage bunshins and large scale elemental attacks because of his crappy stamina. There is a reason why he only made two bunshins against Orochimaru and used only smaller katons and dotons.
In CqC he is completely outclassed and destroyed by Tsunade's superior speed, taijutsu and strength. If he tries to attack her with Enma, she can grab the monkey and beat Hiruzen to death with his own summon.
Shurikens aren't doing shit to her, not when she tanked 3 Yasaka Magatama from point blank and recovered in mere moments. We are talking about someone who can keep fighting with stabbed heart or with two giant blades in her body. There is absolutely nothing Hiruzen can do to hinder or slow her down, and basically this would be his only option to land a direct raiton-katon combo on her.
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I see I couldn't convince you.
With what difficulty you think she'd lose this fight? And why? Even if Hiruzen could make 4 shadow clones and use those elemental attacks simultaneously (which is not happening for the reasons I provided earlier ), Tsunade would still survive it. Katsuyu is waaay to large, and Tsunade has regeneration too. Don't tell me she can't survive a blast like this while hiding in the slug and using Byakugou.
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Lmao not only is Katsuyu not larger than any of Hiruzen's attacks individually, let alone 1, the elemental attacks aren't meant to kill her in one shot. So them not being able to do so doesn't change the outcome. As for what you posted...
1. Tsunade's performance against Madara isn't evidence she evades any and all elemental attacks from Hiruzen. What elemental attack did she even react to and evade against Madara? A bunch of small dragon flames. I don't think I need to show you the difference in scale between that and what Hiruzen can do.
-If she jumps in the air a clone will flank her.
-Punching the ground is useless because a slab of earth that small isn't going to protect her from
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. Come on. -Cracking the ground under Hiruzen doesn't stop his jutsu and it's a useless strategy unless they are in close range.
-Katsuyu isn't going to shield from a combination of Katon and Fuuton, and/or Raiton, which pierces. Lmao @ small piece protecting her. A small piece doesn't even block the contact of the entire beam let alone the damage it will do. It rips through anything that isn't full sized Katsuyu with ease.
2. He doesn't need to spam anything to win here. This is like what people do when they argue against Itachi. They use stamina as a copout.
3. Lmao I really hope you aren't saying that shuriken are tanked by Tsunade if she doesn't dodge them. She didn't tank 3 YM beads she only tanked one, and it was a small YM bead. A small YM bead is not going to penetrate deeper than giant Fuhma Shuriken, and if he streams Raiton onto them then there's absolutely no chance of her taking them with no damage.
Tsunade can only win if she makes it CQC, but Hiruzen's elements prevent that. Katon and Fuuton combined would do enough damage for him to land a finishing blow w/ Raiton Shuriken or Raiton if she ever gets hit. Tsunade loses regardless of his old age.
And for some strange reason you seem to think that Tsunade having Byakugo means that she can power through heavy damage as if she didn't take the hit, which doesn't make sense as all Byakugo does is accelerate healing. Katon and Fuuton will deal heavy damage. Raiton will deal heavy damage. Katon alone will deal moderate damage. Anything else is something she can shrug off, but it will slow her down regardless.
People are really hyping Tsunade.
Tsunade only advantage is her Byako healing.
Other than that Hiruzen trumps her especially in Taijutsu
Tsunade fighting is very sloppy and lacks precision. Its just power punches and kicks.
While I believe he will lose to Orochimaru and Jiraiya I dont think it will be easy.
As for Tsunade I think he can take her depending on how long she can keep her healing seal up.
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Tsunade only advantage is her Byako healing.
Other than that Hiruzen trumps her especially in Taijutsu
Tsunade fighting is very sloppy and lacks precision. Its just power punches and kicks.
While I believe he will lose to Orochimaru and Jiraiya I dont think it will be easy.
As for Tsunade I think he can take her depending on how long she can keep her healing seal up.
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I thought it was that his chakra regenerated, not that he had unlimited chakra?
