[Discussion] Old Garp Vs Old Rayleigh
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1. With his fight with Vergo he was retrieving Law's heart, even then he still manged to inflict some serious damage. We've barely seen anything new out of his DF post-TS so who knows maybe he will show something awesome. We'll leave that to Oda's creativity.
2. He never got his asswhooped by Law, he got mid-diff'd.
3. Doflamingo outclassed Sanji & Luffy easily so Zoro is no exception. He'll get taken out just as fast as Sanji did, maybe survive a bit longer.
Pica isn't as strong as the characters Smoker went up against. In one arc, Smoker went up against Law, Vergo & took a beating from Doffy.This panel says otherwise
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Joseph Gomes
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Still better than anything Smoker has displayed U_U........ and as you said Zoro hasnt beat pica so he obviously has more up his sleeves. So you cant say Vergo>>Pica without seeing Pica's full capabilities.
Mephew D Kensei
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Wow with the Smoker whatever it is they say Zoro fans do for Zoro.
I'm kinda going Rayleigh on this(I think its the sword complex with me).
I'm kinda going Rayleigh on this(I think its the sword complex with me).
Zoro never planned to hit him with it to began with,his objective is to stop Pica's hand from hitting Team Robin and he casually destroyed half of statue to do so. Zoro wasn't even serious as noted by Pica.Lol
Zoro displayed a feat which is far above anything Smoker/ Vergo has shown. But we can't stand it if someone says Zoro > Smoker or Vergo as it'll make our fav look bad. But when it comes to our fav we should look at feats and use logics?Lol
Vergo displayed nothing that puts him far above Pica.
I don't really get what you are trying to say but it was Smoker fans that started everything.
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It's literally an attack only useful against huge opponents...it doesn't deem someone's strength. I can say Vergo>>Pica because from what we've seen that's exactly what the situation is what you can't say is Vergo=Pica because we haven't seen everything from Pica because it's purely speculation not fact.
Again like my comment above basing the strength of a character based on destructive capabilities is worthless and grasping at straws at best against Smoker or Pica Zoro's attack would be useless as they would dodge it since their not immobile huge golems. You should use logic in every one of your arguments logic is...
Vergo defeated Sanji - low/mid diff.
Vergo defeated Smoker - Mid/high diff.
You can't honestly believe Zoro could defeat both Smoker or Sanji as easily as Vergo did portrayal contradicts this (Sanji is always going to be portrayed as a high/extreme diff fight for Zoro) and Smoker is always going to chase after Luffy not Zoro and this is when you use logic in your argument to gauge Zoro's strength and also Pica who has shown nothing impressive that frightens non fodder.
Pica's attack is too large to dodge it. Only option against his statue would be facing his attack head on or getting fodder stomped. Zoro isn't an ability user to think that everything he has is nothing more than DC. Show me one character with no DF that can pull feats on Zoro's level yet gets beaten by someone with less powerful attacks then I'll admit that I am wrong.
Only highly skilled non devil fruit users can pull attacks on larger scale. So, you can without a doubt say that Zoro > Vergo as both of them are not ability users and Zoro displayed far more DC than Vergo.
It'd be foolish to think they'll stay like that until the very end. Look at Law for example:This dude portrayed to be on Luffy's level yet he managed to beat Smoker without even getting a single scratch. Are u still going to ride on pre TS logics? Portrayal never put Sanji to be that much closer to Zoro. Luffy and Zoro clearly left him in dust after TS. Both portrayal as well as feats after TS indicates that Smoker and Sanji are clearly below those two. Get updated.
Lmao, Pica has done nothing impressive because you think so right?Lol
Mephew D Kensei
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If they say we Zoro wank then they are clearly guilty of the same charge only for them it's in droves and spades it seems.
Their whole reason for why Smoker is stronger/can best Zoro revolves around that old tired song that is Smoker 'SHOULD' be stronger. Well fine and true there that if he truly b Luffy's rival he ought to b stronger but has he shown that he is is what's important coz well pple fail and well PH is not something Smoked wld put on his resume I think we can all agree.
Ist like if I'm supposed to be this wizkid top of the class lvl student but I hit a stump n do dismally in a test or two(and we haven't had any other test yet) am I still a top of the class lvl student? No I think most wld say coz I'm more in the can u bounce back or will u stay down awkward zone and that's rightfully where Smoker is but as is for now some D lister with better scores is better than the genius with F's all around.
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I guess by that logic we can assume Luffy can one shot Vergo then since Law did it, or at least low-diff. him, yeah?... Pathetic. It wasn't an ass-whooping since Law defeated him with medium difficulty, heck Smoker even pinned him down. If Law's striking speed was superior and the reason why he defeated Vergo, how was Smoker able to intercept him AND pin/choke him down? You think that won't happen with Zoro rofl? Zoro won't be as lucky as Law was since he obviously doesn't have room to escape freely like Law did when he got pinned.
It's already sad enough that you're ignoring/undermining Smoker's portrayal with Luffy but now you're creating fan-fictions like Smoker getting his ass-whooped by Law?
Lmao, It took Law's most powerful attack to took him down and it is a low dif for you? On the other hand he defeated Vergo without even getting single scratch but it's a mid dif fight?
I said if Smoker is far weaker than someone of Luffy's level then he's automatically weaker than Luffy but by no means had I implied that the result of their battle will be similar to that of Law's battles. There is a bid difference.Lol
Yes, his striking speed is superior but I have never implied that people with inferior striking speed can't keep up with people with better striking speed. So, I don't get what you are trying to imply here. Lmao, Zoro's striking speed is above Law and don't talk as if Zoro is hopeless in that situation. He's isn't a DF user and he is physically stronger than Law.:yeah: Even Fujitora's gravity is not strong enough to hold this guy and you think Smoker's fodder(compared to Fuji) ass can do shit by pinning him down? Not even sure if serious.Lol
Law canonically defeated Smoker, If anything it's you who's riding on old NEWS paper and trying to justify current power levels.Lol
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Lmao, defeating someone with one slash is mid-diff. for you? Either way, he defeated him with one shot, so yes it was a low-diff. fight if you consider the fight to start from when he got his heart back.
Lol I don't think you understand the point of the sarcasm at the beginning then. The whole point was to show that just because Law defeats "Person A" low(Vergo)/mid(Smoker)-diff., doesn't mean Luffy will do the same. He may struggle more or less but the outcome will be mostly the same.
Like I said before, there's a lot of things that you don't get lmao. Who implied Law's striking speed is superior to Zoro's? Just because Zoro has superior striking speed doesn't mean he won't get pinned down like Law did. LMAO, Zoro is just as much as a fodder as Smoker is to Fujitora. The zolo-wanking with this one... Fujitora's gravity was not strong enough? Yeah, that's why he was coughing out blood. Not sure if serious. Lol
Lol you're stupid. Where have I implied that Law didn't defeat Smoker? It was a mid-diff. fight, if that's an ass-whooping to you then either you're stupid or have some negative bias towards Smoker.... Yeah, I think it's both. xD
There is a difference b/w defeating someone with a fodder slash and defeating someone with your most powerful attack. It seems like your common sense has some kind of issues.Lol You think Smoker can push Law to mid dif and someone stronger than Smoker gets low diffed? That logic.:leaf:
It is not going to change the level of difficulty, even if Luffy struggle more than Law, there won't be much of a difference. If Law beats Smoker at the lower end of mid dif then the best Smoker can do against Luffy is pushing him to highest level of mid dif. That's how it works.Lol
Lmao, reading comprehension over 9000.Lol
It was me who implied that Zoro has better striking speed than Law. I have never said that Zoro won't get pinned down like Law. Do you even know how to read? I have clearly admitted that people with inferior striking speed can land blows on people with superior speed. I don't even get where exactly had I implied that Zoro won't get pinned down like Law. I have explained how Zoro can managed the same situation with his own capabilities. I'd suggest you to consult an eye doctor before reading this post.:yeah:
Once again reading comprehension is over 9000. I have never implied that Zoro can do anything better against Fujitora than Smoker. I said if someone of Fujitora's level can't hold him down then Smoker obviously can't do that. You clearly failed to see the point. Ya lets totally over look the fact that his managed to overcome that gravity on his own and even sent a flying slash which is strong enough to push Fuji backwards.Lol
Ya, I understand that you run out of ideas so now going for personal insults?hmm
Use as many excuses as you want. You are not going to change the fact that Smoker got fodderized by Law.
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Wow you guys sure like to be repetitive. The funniest thing is that you all know you'll never change each other opinions Lol
Can't wait until Pica actually shows he can low diff Vergo with his ultimate move and Zoro one shots him with Asura
Can't wait until Pica actually shows he can low diff Vergo with his ultimate move and Zoro one shots him with Asura