Who knows. Maybe Oda felt is was appropriate to show it off with his fight with Luffy? Lol I think it'd be pretty stupid if all he can do is his white launcher and those other techniques post-TS. xD Surely he must of learned more techniques over the TS seeing how his haki game is pretty good.
[Discussion] Old Garp Vs Old Rayleigh
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He wanted to beat Vergo so badly. So, I don't think he has any reason to hide his abilities. Especially, something like that is not going to happen against someone who's stronger than him. He has no reason to let Law to take care of Vergo if he can do more. Smoker is clearly below likes of Zoro,Law and Luffy.
Get over it.
Law was better suited for that battle than a brawler like Smoker, seeing how experienced Vergo was in haki & hand to hand combat. Smoker knows how powerful his DF is.
He wanted to beat Vergo so badly. So, I don't think he has any reason to hide his abilities. Especially, something like that is not going to happen against someone who's stronger than him. He has no reason to let Law to take care of Vergo if he can do more. Smoker is clearly below likes of Zoro,Law and Luffy.
Get over it.
Get over it
Law was better suited for that battle than a brawler like Smoker, seeing how experienced Vergo was in haki & hand to hand combat. Smoker knows how powerful his DF is.
Get over it
All those points just proves that Smoker admitted that he can't do shit against Vergo with his own capabilities which indicates that he has nothing to show apart from what we have already seen.
Not at all. Law one shot'd Vergo, he was much better suited than a brawler like Smoker. Even Luffy can't one-shot him or beat him with ease. Zoro won't even be able to defeat Vergo. Vergo showed much better feats., both haki & speed.
What does Law beating Vergo has anything to do with Smoker? Smoker was super obsessed about fighting Vergo, Because he beat the living hell out of his men. Yet out of nowhere Smoker decided to let Law to take of Vergo because Law is more suited to fight Vergo? Lmao, Your point indirectly indicates that Smoker admitted inferiority against both Law as well as Vergo.
If you really think Smoker is a kind of dude who'd let a pirate to take care of someone that he hates, just because that particular pirate is well suited for fighting that opponent then you know nothing about Smoker and his character.
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} >>> Anything Vergo displayed.You fully said, "He has no reason to let Law to take care of Vergo if he can do more.", my response was that he knew Law was more suited for that battle seeing how his room works and he owes him. Smoker isn't the kind of dude who'd let a pirate take care of someone that he hates? He was willing to accept that Law can defeat Vergo & gained some sort of respect for pirate rivals (Luffy) & Law by the end of arc. Um, okay? Where did I say that Smoker was superior to Law/Vergo? I'm saying he's superior to Zoro but I know that he's inferior to Law/Luffy. Hence why I brought up how Zoro will do against Vergo. Just because he's inferior to Law/Luffy doesn't mean that he isn't on their level. I.E. Aokiji is inferior to Akainu but he's still in the same level/tier as him.
Well obviously your point contradicts itself seeing how he helped Law get his heart back and let him defeat Vergo. He did show signs that he wasn't comfortable of letting Law beat Vergo but he did accept it. Lol I know nothing about his character? It seems like you've skipped through the
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or at least the end of it. It wasn't only because he was better suited but also Smoker gave up the fight to clear the debt he owed Law.Yes, for a 12 year old like you. Only a small DC feat. means a lot more than incredible CoA and speed.
Which clearly indicates that Smoker admitted that he can not stop Vergo on his own.
Yes, He's isn't a type of dude who'd let a pirate to take care of his enemies. He can't beat Vergo on his own and he was fully aware of this fact, Hence he let Law to take care of him. Simple as that.
I don't get where I was implying that bold part. Whatever, He's not superior to Zoro and He's not just weaker than them. He'e clearly a tier below those dudes where as Zoro is on the same level as Luffy and Law.
Lmao, what do you mean by he gave up fighting for repaying Law? If Smoker was really a capable dude then he would have beat Vergo on his own and return the favor to Law by getting his heart from Vergo after beating him.
Lmao, I can see that you have real arguments. Zoro isn't an ability user to pull attacks on larger scale without being a skilled fighter. He relies on his skill and physical capabilities just like Vergo. If someone(Zoro) who uses physical capabilities in battle pulls large scale attacks than someone(Vergo) who also uses PC in battle then it means that the dude with more DC is stronger.
Lol What's your point? Did you ever see me state Smoker > Vergo?
Whatever, discussing this is pointless.
Yeah there's a lot of things that you don't get, we know that. No need to point it out. Smoker is superior to Zoro or at the very least tied. You can keep saying whatever you want but Smoker displayed much better haki feats than Zoro. He was able to inflict damage to Vergo more than Law could (before the one shot) & Sanji.
Yes, like your arguments are any better. Only for someone like you DC means more than haki/speed feats. Zoro showed nothing that can cut through Vergo's haki. Without haki, Vergo took Sanji's DJ and Smoker punches. He also
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against Law which Zoro can't even match to. Those long range attacks aren't be that relevant when you're facing someone as fast as Vergo, who easily matched Sanji in speed. Zoro ain't killing someone like this since you think Zoro showed better feats...
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He tried his best against Vergo and realized that he can't beat him. If he admitted inferiority against someone who's weaker than Law who is in the same school as Luffy then Smoker isn't showing any hidden/ Fanfic abilities against Luffy. That's my point. :yeah:
Saves my time.:bouncy:
What do think is haki? When it comet to offence it is something that increases your attack power namely your brute strength. Zoro's brute strength feat against Pica is far above anything Smoker/ Vergo displayed. Hence, Zoro can cut through their haki with no problem.
Law has 0 speed feats yet the dude managed to one shot Vergo. Why do you think he managed to do that? Because of his striking speed. Speed means nothing against an opponent with faster striking speed and Zoro is well above Law in terms of swordsmanship and striking speed. And I have already explained why Zoro can cut through Vergo's haki. If you still doubt it then look at what happened to luffy in latest chapter. Bellamy managed to hurt Luffy despite of having weaker Haki than Luffy which indicates that you don't need haki on the same level as your opponent to be able to hurt them. Zoro's brute strength without haki is far above Vergo's brute strength with Haki. Hence, Zoro has what it takes to cut through Vergo's haki. Simple as that.
1. I don't think it's everything.
2. I valued both haki & speed over that small DC feat. of Zoro's.
3. If that does happen. Then I would move on to his speed feats., it wouldn't have to surpass Vergo's speed necessarily but if they're comparable (which Zoro needs to work on) then yes, I would consider him stronger than Vergo.
Same thing applies for Sanji, he just has to show better haki feats, obviously more than Zoro seeing what happened to his leg when he tried clashing with Vergo. Sanji's speed is good enough for Vergo, he just needs better CoA feats.
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I asked because Oda decided to make Zoro the armament specialist of the group, so it's to be expected he'd have major armament developments in the future. And no Vergo isn't faster than Zoro, at least not in terms of combat speed. It's more like the way around but you don't seem to differenciate combat speed with soru speed, so i won't try to argue any further on the matter
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someone really need to educate people about actual speed ,reaction and combat speed
Fixed for you.
He wanted to beat Vergo so badly. So, I don't think he has any reason to hide his abilities. Especially, something like that is not going to happen against someone who's stronger than him. He has no reason to let Law to take care of Vergo if he can do more. Smoker is clearly below likes of Law and Luffy.
Get over it.
Garp would win this fight because Rayleigh was inactive for many years and had not even touched his sword in a long time. He was mostly partying and drinking. Garp while not as active as he was in prime, still stayed more active compared to Rayleigh.
In their primes this fight could go either way. Neither's hype or portrayal is better than the others. Both were a step below Roger and Whitebeard. That's all we know.
In their primes this fight could go either way. Neither's hype or portrayal is better than the others. Both were a step below Roger and Whitebeard. That's all we know.
