[Question] Okay, so is Zephyr canon or what?
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Kizaru said "As a Pirate he is overwhelmingly powerful. His strength is reminiscent of the "mere" strength of Whitebeard in his youth".
I don't know about you, but I don't think nor have I seen Kizaru hype anyone like this, even comparing them to Prime WB. It's not far-fetched to believe Weeble cut off Zephyr's arm just because Weeble looks dumb.
But tbh, I don't see how Zephyr or Shiki matter in OP, they don't and won't ever have a role in the current story line in which they take part.
I don't know about you, but I don't think nor have I seen Kizaru hype anyone like this, even comparing them to Prime WB. It's not far-fetched to believe Weeble cut off Zephyr's arm just because Weeble looks dumb.
But tbh, I don't see how Zephyr or Shiki matter in OP, they don't and won't ever have a role in the current story line in which they take part.
Let's sum up everything we know about Zypher and Weevil:
1) His arm was cut off. Weevil can do that with his bisento and Kizaru gave him the strength hype.
2) It happened when the Shichibukai was still a pirate. There is no evidence of Weevil being anything other than a pirate before being a warlord.
3) The pirate who cut off the arm according to Garp joined the WG 1 year into Luffy's timeskip. The warlords who joined during the timeskip are Buggy, Law and Weevil. Seeing how the first two lacked the strength to do so pre-skip that only leaves Weevil again.
So you can ask yourself why Oda would go through all the trouble to be so specific on who cut Z's arm and at what moment in time that character became a shichi only for the sake of padding in a movie.
This chapter answered that question for 99%. Unless buggy or Law have something up there sleeve.
1) His arm was cut off. Weevil can do that with his bisento and Kizaru gave him the strength hype.
2) It happened when the Shichibukai was still a pirate. There is no evidence of Weevil being anything other than a pirate before being a warlord.
3) The pirate who cut off the arm according to Garp joined the WG 1 year into Luffy's timeskip. The warlords who joined during the timeskip are Buggy, Law and Weevil. Seeing how the first two lacked the strength to do so pre-skip that only leaves Weevil again.
So you can ask yourself why Oda would go through all the trouble to be so specific on who cut Z's arm and at what moment in time that character became a shichi only for the sake of padding in a movie.
This chapter answered that question for 99%. Unless buggy or Law have something up there sleeve.
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Dunno, some people claim that the entire movie is canon even though I believe it's not. Oda did draw/sketch Z as a child and as a tteam enn though, so that might be enough to confirm that he is canon
Also what's so damn unbelievable about weeble cutting off Z's arm? more importantly weeb became a shichibukai after the timeskip hence it isn't possible
Also what's so damn unbelievable about weeble cutting off Z's arm? more importantly weeb became a shichibukai after the timeskip hence it isn't possible
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The character of Zephyr is canon.
The events of Film Z are not.
The details of Zephyr's backstory is in dispute because they were revealed during the non-canon Film Z and have had no actual canon tie-ins, like Shiki's backstory did with chapter 0.
Because Oda is a thorough storytelling. He's even lapsed into giving overly needed and specific details in joke answers in SBS about two-panel background characters. He's writing a story for Film Z, so he puts in effort because it reflects the quality of his ability and work.
It's not uncommon in story telling, whether it be movie, manga or video game, to introduce detailed concepts and stories that don't tie into the main story or progress it in any way.
The events of Film Z are not.
The details of Zephyr's backstory is in dispute because they were revealed during the non-canon Film Z and have had no actual canon tie-ins, like Shiki's backstory did with chapter 0.
Why would Oda go to the trouble of filling Strong World with details, particularly in Shiki's plan, if not just for the sake of the movie?
Because Oda is a thorough storytelling. He's even lapsed into giving overly needed and specific details in joke answers in SBS about two-panel background characters. He's writing a story for Film Z, so he puts in effort because it reflects the quality of his ability and work.
It's not uncommon in story telling, whether it be movie, manga or video game, to introduce detailed concepts and stories that don't tie into the main story or progress it in any way.
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Zephyr and Shiki's backstory is canon. Them returning and executing their plans is not.
It was said that the 7th warlord begged for his life and Weeble has the mind of a child. Z probably let his guard down and underestimated Weeble.
It was said that the 7th warlord begged for his life and Weeble has the mind of a child. Z probably let his guard down and underestimated Weeble.
If he is such a 'thorough story teller' why would he make something up that will 100% bite him in the ass in his own story. He could've literally named any strong guy with a cutting ability (Mihawk or Doffy) or even an unknown pirate.
BUT NO ! He very specifically chose for the one shichibukai that wasn't introduced yet.
So go figure.
Also the chopping of the arm wasn't an event in Film 'Z', The 'canon' character was already introduced to us with one arm. Which is no different than Kuzan's ice leg that was introduced in the movie but burned off in the manga.
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Except it doesn't bite him in the ass because it's not canon and therefore not something we'd take into consideration with the timeline of the story. If Oda goes that route, he can usher that in, and if he doesn't and that is also non-canon, then he wouldn't have bitten himself in the ass because that can easily be dismissed as not part of the canon and is a stand-alone thing like every other movie for the sake of enjoyment from the fans.
This discussion is going on in 3 different threads and on multiple forums. I'm pretty sure that's the definition of bitten in the ass. It's not clear at all.
I still refuse to believe that he picked Weevil random, it would be so much easier for him to pick Doffy or Mihawk, but he went for a very specific unkown character.
Oda doesn't do anything without thinking it through. He remembers castles from Norland's flashback and brings them up in the Dressrosa arc. the tree X drake is standing in front of when entering the New World is the exact same tree Caribou is standing in front of in the cover story.
Someone like that does not leave a loose end, or does something because he think it comes in handy for the movie, no matter what you say.
Besides you already said that the character is canon, so the lost arm is canon, losing the arm must be canon too. And with the explanation given in the movie, that doesn't make this not canon all of a sudden.
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That's not Oda biting himself in the ass, that is fans failing to understand a simple concept: The movie is most likely meant to stand alone.
Ever thought about that when there are a hundred ghost riders driving your way, that it might be you who is on the wrong side of the road ?
It's amazing how thick you are even after admitting the Z character is canon yourself. And you fail to see all logic, and blame it on everybody else, because it's impossible for you to be wrong. You're falling into your old narcissistic habits again.
Too bad you don't have any evidence, besides repeating that it's a movie like a broken record while all the puzzle pieces point in Weevil's direction.
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I believe we shouldn't consider Zephyr canon because:
1. He has yet to be confirmed canon and should thus not be treated as such.
1. He has yet to be confirmed canon and should thus not be treated as such.
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The character of Zephyr is canon. As in, in the canon story, there was a muscular Marine with purple hair named Zephyr. What's in dispute as canon or not is his backstory because it was given in a non-canon source and has yet to be found in a canon source.
You do realize I said earlier in another thread it may be canon, but that isn't supported atm, hence why it's in dispute. You're so hell-bent on playing the victim who needs to attack and insult everyone who disagrees with you. We get it, you're an *******, you can stop trying so hard to let us know and discuss/debate like normal people do. You're just as narcissistic as me because you're doing the exact same thing I'm doing: Arguing your side and not changing your viewpoint so far.
Do you have any evidence the backstory is canon?
Let me add to that:
The character of Zephyr is canon. As in, in the canon story, there was a muscular Marine with purple hair named Zephyr.
I agree with that, but this muscular marine also had 1 chopped off canon arm as his design.
So the chopping off of the arm must be canon right ?
This non-canon source you're talking about is Oda, so I don't feel that I'm the one that should prove that it is canon, when there are 4 things pointing in Weevil's direction. The only thing you come up with is that it's non-canon just because it's a movie.
So why don't you be the one that proves why it's non-canon, that is far more logical.
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The colorspreads are not part of the story, the cover for chapter 691 was obviously a promotional page (titled "One Piece film: Z"). Zephyr is still not confirmed canon.
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Actually, Zephyr's appearance in the color spread isn't even canon as it's just a still from the movie, not actually a portrait of him in the past(I thought there was a portrait of past him with the Marines). I have to side with Skylar with this one
Of course, weasel yourself out of it after saying he was canon in the first place. What happened to the part where he was canon because he was Oda's creation ?
I will cheer myself up with the thought that there is no chance in hell that the manga ever will tell me that Z's not canon. But there is this ever so slight possibility that every time we see Weevil that there will be that one panel with that one guy that says: "That's the guy that chopped of Z's arm".
And when that time comes I hope you have plenty of aloe vera around because it will be the sickest burn ever.
Instead of siding with people who don't know what they're talking about, you're better off siding with Oda. Doing that since the start and it saved me from taking guys like you seriously.