Okay I need some clarification on this: Pirating Anime

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So I see a lot of people (mainly anime reviewers) talking about how we shouldn't pirate anime because it's illegal and not good for the show and takes profile away. These people go even far and say it's the reason most anime do not get more than one season. When they are talking about pirating they are referring to places outside of Japan. I started to see counter arguments(?) saying that regardless of us pirating anime or not Japanese animation studio still don't get a lot of the money that comes from legal anime networks like crunchyroll,hulu,netflix,ect. Some people even say those legal websites don't even provide certain anime or anime at all to their country. So why don't some animation studio create a second season of some anime or have the funds?Does it have something to do with the paying their animators poorly?
 

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I'm pretty sure if everyone bought their anime, animation studios would be a lot more funded. I don't know why anyone would say otherwise.
 

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So I see a lot of people (mainly anime reviewers) talking about how we shouldn't pirate anime because it's illegal and not good for the show and takes profile away. These people go even far and say it's the reason most anime do not get more than one season.[1] When they are talking about pirating they are referring to places outside of Japan. I started to see counter arguments(?) saying that regardless of us pirating anime or not Japanese animation studio still don't get a lot of the money that comes from legal anime networks like crunchyroll,hulu,netflix,ect. Some people even say those legal websites don't even provide certain anime or anime at all to their country. So why don't some animation studio create a second season of some anime or have the funds?Does it have something to do with the paying their animators poorly?[2]

[1] Definitely not the reason. Most animes start with a poor budget to begin with, and it's not like you can pirate something that didn't exist. And low-budget animes aren't going to do as well. I assure you OPM is pirated to hell, but it had production values (because of the preexisting webcomic and manga), and is still very successful.

[2] Most anime doesn't even get localized, so it's not like they'd be building a large profile in the West, regardless. The animes don't get a second season because there's competition for timeslots, and there are far more animes than timeslots. If the anime can't justify that it'll bring in ratings for different networks or sites, then they're not going to get renewed for another season. Again, I doubt that this is because of pirating, since it's not like legal websites are doing poorly, and most animes aren't being localized to Western networks anyway.

And animators probably don't get great pay either, but I wouldn't speak on that, since I'm not one.

Probably shouldn't pirate either way. But these aren't really the reasons why.
 

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I'm pretty sure if everyone bought their anime, animation studios would be a lot more funded. I don't know why anyone would say otherwise.
It's probably like Claymantan said. Maybe if anime was localized it probably would get a lot more funds.
[1] Definitely not the reason. Most animes start with a poor budget to begin with, and it's not like you can pirate something that didn't exist. And low-budget animes aren't going to do as well. I assure you OPM is pirated to hell, but it had production values (because of the preexisting webcomic and manga), and is still very successful.

[2] Most anime doesn't even get localized, so it's not like they'd be building a large profile in the West, regardless. The animes don't get a second season because there's competition for timeslots, and there are far more animes than timeslots. If the anime can't justify that it'll bring in ratings for different networks or sites, then they're not going to get renewed for another season. Again, I doubt that this is because of pirating, since it's not like legal websites are doing poorly, and most animes aren't being localized to Western networks anyway.

And animators probably don't get great pay either, but I wouldn't speak on that, since I'm not one.

Probably shouldn't pirate either way. But these aren't really the reasons why.

Yea that make sense. I actually was wondering how they do the whole time slot thing because they are soooo many anime. I kinda had my doubts about it being pirating but I try not to pirate.I have a job so I try to watch anime legally as much as possible.
 

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Awww I was too late....

Everything ppl above, ah well you know
 

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It's probably like Claymantan said. Maybe if anime was localized it probably would get a lot more funds.

Yeah, but the problem is, getting localized requires more funds and is probably even more competitive XD

The real reason most animes don't get renewed is that the market is oversaturated
 

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Here's my answer to this thread.
[video=youtube;gcN3UJm4-R0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcN3UJm4-R0[/video]
 

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I saw an explanation somewhere that Blu-Ray sales are a big part of whether there is a second season or something.
 

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Well they should blame the internet.


Honestly Animators are being paid poorly wether the Anime is a hit or a miss.
 

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Well they should blame the internet.


Honestly Animators are being paid poorly wether the Anime is a hit or a miss.

Yea that's true. Some American dude was being interviewed and I think he works for Studio Pierrot and he was saying even after the making of The Last and stuff like Naruto and Tokyo Ghoul him and many others are paid horribly
 
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OT: Pirating just means getting it illegally/without paying for it anywhere, I'd say.

You could say free downloads make the fanbases larger and spread awareness and that the companies should capitalize off merchandise.
 

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As other people pointed out, even if everyone was to stop pirating not much would change as the main income for the animation studios comes from DVDs, Blu-Rays and merchandise. Considering how anime stuff is pretty dead in the majority of the western world and what is present is laughably bad and overpriced, we don't really get any change besides, well, not being able to watch anime anymore.

Those services like Crunchyroll, while they are a great idea and definitelly help the studios, don't have all anime one would want. Their offer is limited and requires you to pay. Piracy on the other hand offers all anime you could think of at no price at all.

Now one could argue wether the lack of western interest is caused by the lack of Japan's investing or is it the lack of interest in the west that caused Japan's lack of investing, but regardless of how you look at it, a big number of anime dubbing companies have gone bankrupt. Merchandise is rare to find. You won't find anime broadcast on TV and legal internet services have a skrewed offer.

Theoretically, if all anime fans were to start paying for services like Crunchyroll, it still wouldn't be enough to change things seriously because we would still be lacking in the other departments.

As for piracy, there are a lot of reasons for why we shouldn't pirate stuff (besides the obvious arrests that may ensue) such as malicious software we gather through torrents and lack of respect for the hard work people invest into making the medium. The problems range from technical to moral but are really relative.

In the end, the only way to actually help the animation studios make better anime is by investing a LOT of money in all the stuff that comes out for our fav shows. That however is very unrealistic so the best case scenario would be we all start buying episodes, which is again a hard hit for many as they cost more then one would be willing to pay.
 
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Yea that's true. Some American dude was being interviewed and I think he works for Studio Pierrot and he was saying even after the making of The Last and stuff like Naruto and Tokyo Ghoul him and many others are paid horribly

I've read that interview. I think he said he was paid bad in a previous studio he worked at, but is payed better in SP. Tho he still has to rely on his job as an english teacher to make a living.

But yea, not a very bright future. :(
 
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