[VS] Ohnoki can beat EMS Madara

[Lord Tywin]

I made this thread a while ago in NDS, but let's see what happens here

Ohnoki is OP. I believe a fight between him and EMS Madara would go either way.

Ohnoki when he faced Madara during the war was exhausted. He was fighting for a couple of days, and just before he faced Madara he had to try and Save the alliance from Madara's meteor, and later was surprised by the second one.

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But we are talking about EMS Madara, who can't summon meteors.

The technique Ohnoki uses to make objects heavier and lighter for sure uses Chakra. When Ohnoki tried to stop the meteor he wasn't at the peak of his chakra level. He was exhausted by fighting the Edo Kages. But he did manage to stop the rock, with Gaara's help. I believe Ohnoki can stop Perfect Susanoo by making it heavier, or at least making it heavy enough to decrease the speed of PS. He could make just the legs of the Susanoo heavier to reduce its mobility.

Madara himself saw Ohnoki as the only problem in the Gokage fight

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Even five legged susanoos were no match for him

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Madara obviously doesn't have Hashirama's cells in this match up, so he can't make more clones to use susanoo.

As we all know Ohnoki can fly, and he's fast. He could dodge all the incoming sword slashes from Susanoo and move toward its head, where Madara is positioned. Jinton was stated to be able to blow up the turtle island in one shot

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Ohnoki can fire Jinton at the jewel where Madara is, and blow it up, thus killing Madara. For sure it's not easy

This is my opinion.

 

[Draphsin]

Didn't madara already solo onoki & his master in canon? & W/o using PS?

Now as for feats, while blind he managed to basically blitz SM naruto, w/ EMS he has precog meaning he can track onoki rather easily. EMS sasuke managed to track juubito after all. Madara would even know when onoki is charging a jinton & can move to another location within the susanoo like the leg.

 

[New Dawn]

Madara made Onoki his ***** in the past. Troll thread.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Didn't madara already solo onoki & his master in canon? & W/o using PS?

Now as for feats, while blind he managed to basically blitz SM naruto, w/ EMS he has precog meaning he can track onoki rather easily. EMS sasuke managed to track juubito after all. Madara would even know when onoki is charging a jinton & can move to another location within the susanoo like the leg.

We don't know how that fight went. Ohnoki seemed to be in his teen years

I don't know why we should give feats from a senju enhanced Madara to EMS Madara.
Madara moving to another location wouldn't help him as much. He'd be a sitting duck for Ohnoki's flight speed. With Susanoo's movement restricted, Ohnoki'll have an easier time to get Madara.

 

[Draphsin]

We don't know how that fight went. Ohnoki seemed to be in his teen years

But muu should've been in his prime, & he's a more dangerous foe to take on. Onoki as added support just makes it more of a challenge especially if he also had jinton at the time [but he might not have].

I don't know why we should give feats from a senju enhanced Madara to EMS Madara.

Because a senju enhanced obito lost in cqc to kakashi. Senju dna doesn't increase base stats otherwise obito should've taken that fight quite easily.

Madara moving to another location wouldn't help him as much. He'd be a sitting duck for Ohnoki's flight speed.

Juubito should be faster in terms of flying but sasuke managed to track him. I'm sure if madara took a few seconds he'd also have no problem. Susanoo would be swinging it's blades as well.

With Susanoo's movement restricted, Ohnoki'll have an easier time to get Madara.

Don't see how it's movement would be restricted before a susanoo sword comes crashing down on onoki. PS would annihilate him in one shot & it's fast.

 

[Xlad]

Ohnoki is OP. I believe a fight between him and EMS Madara would go either way.

Uh huh.

Ohnoki when he faced Madara during the war was exhausted. He was fighting for a couple of days, and just before he faced Madara he had to try and Save the alliance from Madara's meteor, and later was surprised by the second one.

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That has no bearing since Madara was just playing with the gokages. He explicitly stated that his strongest technique was Perfect Susanoo. By destructive feats, its far better than the meteors which Onoki stopped.

But we are talking about EMS Madara, who can't summon meteors.

And that wouldn't make much of a difference based on destructive capacity between the meteors and PS slash.

The technique Ohnoki uses to make objects heavier and lighter for sure uses Chakra. When Ohnoki tried to stop the meteor he wasn't at the peak of his chakra level.

Of course it uses chakra. Being at the peak isn't going to mean anything. It only means that he has more chakra to use his techniques, which isn't hitting Madara in the slightest.

He was exhausted by fighting the Edo Kages. But he did manage to stop the rock, with Gaara's help.

Stopping the rock isn't going to help his case against him using PS. Madara can summon it far faster than the meteor itself. If Onoki tries to fly escaping its attacks, he'll get cut down since Madara's has the same EMS as Sasuke's, who was able to track Juubito's flight.

I believe Ohnoki can stop Perfect Susanoo by making it heavier, or at least making it heavy enough to decrease the speed of PS. He could make just the legs of the Susanoo heavier to reduce its mobility.

If Madara even allows that to happen.

Madara himself saw Ohnoki as the only problem in the Gokage fight

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Because Onoki was the most experienced out of the five.

Even five legged susanoos were no match for him

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Means nothing since PS again has waaay more destructive and durability feats than five of those Susanoos.

Madara obviously doesn't have Hashirama's cells in this match up, so he can't make more clones to use susanoo.

He doesn't even need clones against Onoki.

As we all know Ohnoki can fly, and he's fast. He could dodge all the incoming sword slashes from Susanoo and move toward its head, where Madara is positioned. Jinton was stated to be able to blow up the turtle island in one shot

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Ohnoki can fire Jinton at the jewel where Madara is, and blow it up, thus killing Madara. For sure it's not easy

If Madara even lets him. It's that simple.
- Again, Madara has the same EMS as Sasuke's.
- Sasuke's EMS allowed him to track Juubito, who is tiers faster than Onoki.
- Madara will track and hit him down with ease.

This is my opinion.

Uh huh.

Anyways, I might have to reply tomorrow since it's my ma's birthday. Don't have much time right now.

 

[Icelerate]

3 tomoe Madara beats Onoki with mid difficulty.

 

[Lord Tywin]

I'm going to bed. I'll respond tomorrow

 

[I'm stupid real stupid]

Genjustu one shots gg
Leg Susanoo one shots gg
Yasaka Magatama one shots gg

 

[adeshina365]

Madara stomped Onoki + Muu without PS in canon, lmao.

 

[Red Slayer]

nop he cant Madara is to much #5

 

[Lariatoo]

Yeah...
Sorry but I completely disagree with you. Yes, Oonoki is OP but Madara is on another level...

 

[KidGamer65]

This is my opinion.

Too bad your opinion has been debunked by the manga. Once when Madara beat Onoki's ass and the other time where Onoki + 4 Kage couldn't beat him, and got wrecked instead. There's no reason for anyone to seriously reply to this thread tbh.

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Inb4 "That's Edo Madara". PS is available to both, and PS>Gokage.

 

[Lord Tywin]

But muu should've been in his prime, & he's a more dangerous foe to take on. Onoki as added support just makes it more of a challenge especially if he also had jinton at the time [but he might not have].

Muu wasn't as impressive as Ohnoki. Feats suggest that he can't even handle a legged susanoo, unlike Ohnoki.

Because a senju enhanced obito lost in cqc to kakashi. Senju dna doesn't increase base stats otherwise obito should've taken that fight quite easily.

you should know that Obito was trying to lose. Also Madara's enhancements>Obito's. Proven by their level of wood release.

Juubito should be faster in terms of flying but sasuke managed to track him. I'm sure if madara took a few seconds he'd also have no problem. Susanoo would be swinging it's blades as well.

Sasuke's =/=Madara. Madara's susanoo=\=Sasuke's. Sasuke's susanoo has shown far better speed feats than Madara's. Actually Madara's susanoo basically featless in speed.

Don't see how it's movement would be restricted before a susanoo sword comes crashing down on onoki. PS would annihilate him in one shot & it's fast.

Ohnoki's fast enough to dodge. It's hard to hit an opponent, as small as Ohnoki is, with that sword.

 

[BLAZE]

Duuuuuuuuuuude PS >Gokage[ohnoki included]

 

[A v i]

Madara fodderizes him jus like how he did it in canon.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Uh huh.That has no bearing since Madara was just playing with the gokages. He explicitly stated that his strongest technique was Perfect Susanoo. By destructive feats, its far better than the meteors which Onoki stopped.

we're not talking about the dc of ps compared to the meteors.

And that wouldn't make much of a difference based on destructive capacity between the meteors and PS slash.Of course it uses chakra. Being at the peak isn't going to mean anything. It only means that he has more chakra to use his techniques, which isn't hitting Madara in the slightest.

For sure chakra matters. The more chakra Ohnoki has, the stronger his technique is going to be.

Stopping the rock isn't going to help his case against him using PS. Madara can summon it far faster than the meteor itself. If Onoki tries to fly escaping its attacks, he'll get cut down since Madara's has the same EMS as Sasuke's, who was able to track Juubito's flight.If Madara even allows that to happen.

Lol Madara has the same EMS as Sasuke? What's next? EMS Sasuke's susanoo=Madara's? LolMadara's susanoo is practically featless in speed, unlike Sasuke's. Comparing the two is pointless.

Because Onoki was the most experienced out of the five.Means nothing since PS again has waaay more destructive and durability feats than five of those Susanoos.He doesn't even need clones against Onoki.If Madara even lets him. It's that simple.- Again, Madara has the same EMS as Sasuke's.- Sasuke's EMS allowed him to track Juubito, who is tiers faster than Onoki.- Madara will track and hit him down with ease.Uh huh.Anyways, I might have to reply tomorrow since it's my ma's birthday. Don't have much time right now.

Lol again with that. Madara's EMS=\=Sasuke's. Madara literally has no speed feats in PS, unlike Sasuke. His eyes can keep up with Ohnoki, granted, but his Susanoo won't be hitting someone as small as Ohnoki, while he's flying.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Lol hur durr Madara foddeeized him durr

 

[Xlad]

Back like I said.

we're not talking about the dc of ps compared to the meteors.

Why not? Is this because you can't go any further? The meteors isn't really that much of a feat compared to Perfect Susanoo. Saying that this is EMS Madara without the meteors means that they are superior to Perfect Susanoo, does it not? Which isn't in any form true.

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For sure chakra matters. The more chakra Ohnoki has, the stronger his technique is going to be.Lol

Right, it matters only so much. And it's not going to mean anything at all if it isn't hitting Madara. Not only this, Tsunade-Onoki's collaborated Jinton was still dwarfed by PS. Unless you're telling me that Onoki's chakra level can surpass what Tsunade transferred.

Madara has the same EMS as Sasuke? What's next? EMS Sasuke's susanoo=Madara's? LolMadara's susanoo is practically featless in speed, unlike Sasuke's. Comparing the two is pointless. Lol again with that. Madara's EMS=\=Sasuke's. Madara literally has no speed feats in PS, unlike Sasuke. His eyes can keep up with Ohnoki, granted, but his Susanoo won't be hitting someone as small as Ohnoki, while he's flying.

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PS'a speed feats isn't going to matter since Onoki was completely thrown away by an unaimed PS slash. Madara doesn't have to directly aim at him. Hell, with his EMS, he doesn't even need PS for Onoki to begin with.

Yeah, being harder to hit

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That would only work if Onoki is faster than Madara.

 

[Conspirator.]

I'm sorry but I have to disagree. All of Edo Madara's attacks pale in comparison to PS-which he noted to be his full power. Furthermore, Madara already shat on Mu and Onoki in canon without going all out. By feats, Mu is a rich man's Onoki. Once PS comes out, Onoki gets fodderized. He can't simply evade something which cuts off mountain tops from a distance with extreme speed. He doesn't even need PS to win to be honest.