[Spoilers] [Official] [Theory Proved] The Former Bijuus were mainly Yin entities!

[Mr Hiru]

WARNING: FORGOT TO PUT SPOILER TAG. IF YOU DIDN'T WATCH CHAPTER 643, DON'T GO FURTHER.

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Summary of the Theory

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- When the Sage used Creation of All Things to divide the Juubi into ten entities, he divided the Juubi in Yin (The demon spirits, the nine tailed beasts) and the Yang (the vessel, Gedou Mazou).

- Taoism states that Yin is a Large Yin and a Little Yang, and the Yang is a Large Yang and a Little Yin. This is the reason of why the beasts still had bodies but mainly a super powerful chakra, and why they had to be sealed into strong bodies with great lifeforce (yang entities, Jinchuuriki).

The first proof of my theory is explained here:

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. The beasts, when divided in Yin and Yang, creates new entities, this is exactly what happened with the Juubi.

In the process of extraction of the Bijuu, the Bijuu tries to mantain balance, so the Jinchuuriki's lifeforce is extracted as well. By this reason is why only Uzumaki are known to be the only survivors to Kurama's extraction (Kushina and Mito). The other Jinchuurikis were killed in the process.

Today, I proved that the Yin part of Kurama is still greater than his Yang (my theory states that the Yang part of Kurama inside Naruto is mainly the result of two previous extractions... the lifeforce that belongs to Uzumaki Mito and Uzumaki Kushina).

The proof are the last two pages of chapter 643 that are in fact a dual page.

If you combine the two pages into one big one and make the match of Naruto's cloak and Yin Kurama's leg, you'll notice that Yin Kurama is way bigger than the Yang Kurama.

Here is the combined image:

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Now, look again...

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[COLOSSAL TITAN]

****, put a ****ing spoiler tag..

 

[Mr Hiru]

Whoops, sorry. Fixed something, but I'll ask a mod to do the favour.

 

[Troyg39]

You didn't prove anything by posting an opinion and a picture of knees and fists. They weren't drawn side by side like that so ofcorse they are going to be disproportionate.

However, I still agree with you, but that's only because Obito already explained that the tailed beasts were created by using yin to extract the beasts and yang to create their vessels, which means that the yang part is mostly their physical shell while the yin part is what makes up the most of their entity

 

[The Sach]

I disagree with you here, kyuubi which was sealed in Mito and Kushina was a perfect Kyuubi(got Yin+Yang powers) so I disagree with your statement that Kyuubi tries to gain life force, and that's why there was a serious threat.Except that good one..

 

[adeshina365]

That would explain why when Kurama had his yin chakra extracted, he shrunk to less than 1/2 his size.

Nicely done OP.

 

[Mr Hiru]

I disagree with you here, kyuubi which was sealed in Mito and Kushina was a perfect Kyuubi(got Yin+Yang powers) so I disagree with your statement that Kyuubi tries to gain life force, and that's why there was a serious threat.Except that good one..

I recommend you to read the entire theory in the link. Also, I would like to know what are your thoughts about a Jinchuuriki dying in the process of extraction of bijuu... that's the main reason I have to think that these are Yin entities wanting to reach balance, absorbing the jinchuuriki lifeforce, having as result the jinchuuriki's death and their yang powers improved.

PS: Thanks for sharing your sincere opinion. + rep

That would explain why when Kurama had his yin chakra extracted, he shrunk to less than 1/2 his size.

Nicely done OP.

I forgot that point too. You're right, that can be explained due this too. Thanks for pointing it out.

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[Hori]

I just dont but that yin is bigger than yang Kurama... it looks like to me you slightly moved that yang kurama image a bit down that yin kurama. Apart from that I cannot say anything because I haven't read chapter 643 official manga

 

[The Sach]

I recommend you to read the entire theory in the link. Also, I would like to know what are your thoughts about a Jinchuuriki dying in the process of extraction of bijuu... that's the main reason I have to think that these are Yin entities wanting to reach balance, absorbing the jinchuuriki lifeforce, having as result the jinchuuriki's death and their yang powers improved.

PS: Thanks for sharing your sincere opinion. + rep

I just went through your entire theory and you said that Gedo Mezo is Yin part and all nine tailed beasts are Yang right?? Then I amnot still not getting how Minato divide a Yang creature in again Yin and Yang.. I mean Yin and Yang are two different things right??
And talking about Jinchurikis dying I think its because of immense chakra pressure created due to extraction of bijuu, as you are taking out big portion of chakra and that too of violent nature..And last but not the least why Uzukmaki were able to survive it, then its due to their life force i.e. they can withstand that chakra pressure..

 

[ballerjordan]

I believe it's because Kurama and Naruto have been fighting for days, and thus Yang Kurama has used up alot of chakra. We've already seen what happens when Kurama overuses his chakra and starts to shrink and weaken.

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This adds to how humongous Yang Kyuubi's power is, he managed to make a tbb 10x bigger than himself AFTER Naruto achieved KCM. Naruto stole this much of his chakra before he created that tbb, and Naruto is still utilizing that chakra.

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Whereas, Yin Kyuubi has barely been fighting. Also, we shouldn't judge their sizes by just one scan, wait for the next chapter and we'll see.

 

[Mr Hiru]

I just dont but that yin is bigger than yang Kurama... it looks like to me you slightly moved that yang kurama image a bit down that yin kurama. Apart from that I cannot say anything because I haven't read chapter 643 official manga

Exactly, I just tilted a bit the pages so Naruto's BM Cloak and Yin Kurama's knee could match positions between pages, but I didn't even scale the images. They are just as they were put in the raw sources.

When I noticed that these pages were in fact a double, I tried to see if my theory was true. I got VERY surprised.

This discovery (if it is true) is "Huge"... it means that Minato is way more powerful than Naruto in his current state, and Yin Half of Kurama is "Half" in terms of having a Yin, but not having the Half of the entire power...

 

[cptenn94]

you are right when you say there is a difference. The difference is yang kurama is not full chakra.

technically you are right in how the sage did split yin and yang from the juubi.....but he actually split its CHAKRA(full of yin and yang) from its body.

So at least atm, there is not much evidence to show the bijuus are made of predominately yin chakra, just that they are made of chakra period.

Now the little yin and little yang, is how kurama could be split into 2 seperate entities, and still seem to be the same.

 

[Mr Hiru]

I just went through your entire theory and you said that Gedo Mezo is Yin part and all nine tailed beasts are Yang right?? Then I amnot still not getting how Minato divide a Yang creature in again Yin and Yang.. I mean Yin and Yang are two different things right??
And talking about Jinchurikis dying I think its because of immense chakra pressure created due to extraction of bijuu, as you are taking out big portion of chakra and that too of violent nature..And last but not the least why Uzukmaki were able to survive it, then its due to their life force i.e. they can withstand that chakra pressure..

At contrary, I said that the Gedou Mazou was the Yang (body, physical energy) and that the Nine Tailed Beasts were the Yin (mind, spiritual energy).

If you really gave a good read to my theory, the part of Taoism explains that Yin and Yang are complementary forces that reach balance when they cooperate.

But Yin is unbalanced Yin and Yang (Large Yin, Little Yang) and Yang is unbalanced Yin and Yang (Large Yang, Little Yin). Refer to the summary on OP, or your own sources if you need to search further this.

Maybe this...

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I believe it's because Kurama and Naruto have been fighting for days, and thus Yang Kurama has used up alot of chakra. We've already seen what happens when Kurama overuses his chakra and starts to shrink and weaken.

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This adds to how humongous Yang Kyuubi's power is, he managed to make a tbb 10x bigger than himself AFTER Naruto achieved KCM. Naruto stole this much of his chakra before he created that tbb, and Naruto is still utilizing that chakra.

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Whereas, Yin Kyuubi has barely been fighting. Also, we shouldn't judge their sizes by just one scan, wait for the next chapter and we'll see.

Your statements my friend are indeed true. But you should take in mind that Yang Kurama has been collecting chakra for a while, he should already be in its original size.

 

[ballerjordan]

Your statements my friend are indeed true. But you should take in mind that Yang Kurama has been collecting chakra for a while, he should already be in its original size.

You're right, he's been doing it for a while now. It'll be interesting to see what happens next chapter, good thread nonetheless =D

 

[Mr Hiru]

you are right when you say there is a difference. The difference is yang kurama is not full chakra.

technically you are right in how the sage did split yin and yang from the juubi.....but he actually split its CHAKRA(full of yin and yang) from its body.

So at least atm, there is not much evidence to show the bijuus are made of predominately yin chakra, just that they are made of chakra period.

Now the little yin and little yang, is how kurama could be split into 2 seperate entities, and still seem to be the same.

Take a read to my theory and to this:

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(referring to what is balance and how can it be achieved)

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(dualism, Yin and Yang are complementary, there is no yin without yang)

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(again, dualism... there is no yin without yang)

Yin Kurama is just a Large Yin entity with Small Yang, and Yang Kurama is a Large Yang entity with a Small Yin.

It is not that hard to understand that these two instances of Kurama are just complementary to reach its full potential.

You're right, he's been doing it for a while now. It'll be interesting to see what happens next chapter, good thread nonetheless =D

Indeed. Well, I'll wait for translations so I'll see if I didn't misunderstand anything.

 

[The Sach]

At contrary, I said that the Gedou Mazou was the Yang (body, physical energy) and that the Nine Tailed Beasts were the Yin (mind, spiritual energy).

If you really gave a good read to my theory, the part of Taoism explains that Yin and Yang are complementary forces that reach balance when they cooperate.

But Yin is unbalanced Yin and Yang (Large Yin, Little Yang) and Yang is unbalanced Yin and Yang (Large Yang, Little Yin). Refer to the summary on OP, or your own sources if you need to search further this.

Maybe this...

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You never seize to amaze me there...xd Seriously take some rep from me..
And one last argument if all tailed beasts were Larger Yin and Lower Yang then at the same time Gezo Mezo must be Larger Yang and Lower Yin but still must have some Yin so why it never tried to break that prison i.e. moon..

 

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[Mr Hiru]

You never seize to amaze me there...xd Seriously take some rep from me..
And one last argument if all tailed beasts were Larger Yin and Lower Yang then at the same time Gezo Mezo must be Larger Yang and Lower Yin but still must have some Yin so why it never tried to break that prison i.e. moon..

That's a good question, I guess it needs some analysis...

But if I had to put it simple, Tobi said that Yin (spiritual energy) is related to Mind, that is, intelligence, imagination, spiritual powers.

If Gedou Mazou had any kind of intelligence, it wasn't clever enough to get out of the jail (like a sleeping mind).

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In the terms of Tobi, Gedou Mazou 'had not enough capacity to imagine that it was trapped in the Moon'.

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You should try to read the theory and give some opinion. Oh well... you have a point though XD

 

[AzR]

ohhh.. if you stated the yang is the vessel,gedou mazou..then it explains why it is made of wood... because wood is a yang influence..

nice theory hirudora... + rep

 

[Mr Hiru]

ohhh.. if you stated the yang is the vessel,gedou mazou..then it explains why it is made of wood... because wood is a yang influence..

nice theory hirudora... + rep

Thanks a lot! Yes, I believe too that the Yang influence takes part in how users awake elements, and expertice areas:

For example:

- Physical ninjutsu (wind, earth, water) and taijutsu belongs to the Yang branch.

Naruto has Wind because he has Yang Kurama influence. KCM (Yang) gives him the ability to awake trees.

Tobirama is a Senju, from the Younger Son branch (Yang influenced)... he has Water Element.

Hashirama has Mokuton, this is, earth and water + yang energy to give life for tree growth.

- Energy Ninjutsu (fire, lightning) and genjutsu belongs to the Yin branch. The Elder Son Branch inherited these properties...

Uchiha are experts in fire elements.

Uchiha Sasuke has fire and lightning.

Itachi and Sasuke uses Enton (advanced fire form).

Itachi is an expert in genjutsus, Sasuke is quite good too.

Due to the Yang influence (and the unbalance due the lack of Yin energy) Naruto isn't very good at Genjutsu!

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And so on...