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Who is the man behind the mask


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Re: solving of breaking the mask of tobi 100% spoiler

Obito parents are never stated but if Obito just happens to be related to Madara Uchica who knows what he's capable of. And when tobi vanishes or when he sucked sasake at the 5kage summit he sucked them into his eye without any hand signs so its not definite but its like 80% chance that is was an occular ms technique. But with sasuke doesn't one eye create the black flames and the other extinguishes it so you could say that's another hint
 

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Re: Stop Playing the Tobi Guessing Game

I believe that Madara gave the rinnegan to Nagato to revive himself later when Nagato had better control of the Rinnegan. i also think that Tobi was an imprint of Madara that Madara created to make sure Nagato does this. I believe this
because the tsuchikage said that Madara died 80 years ago. Madara looked around 30 in the manga. Nagato was probally born 30 years ago. At Nagatos birth Madara had to be 80, weak, and maybe dieing. ftw
Then Madara would have returned as an old man not in his prime. Edo summons are revived in the state they died in.
 

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Re: solving of breaking the mask of tobi 100% spoiler

well thought out it could be Obito but Uchiha kagami i never thought about him but i guess we will just have to wait and see what Kishi has in store for us
 

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Re: Poll for the man behind the mask lets see if NB gets it right

well i just thought of this theory that it was the plan of Izuna uchiha and Madara uchiha
during his fight with hashirama that in case he(Madara) lost to hashirama and died then Izuna was to bring Madara back using the rinne tensie ...(Assuming they had found a kid who had developed a rinnegan named 'Nagato')

This could be possible considering there could be a kid named nagato that time who had developed a rinnegan Now that kid never really mastered the use of the rinnegan...
and so that plan failed....
so izuna started working on a plan of his own... and took the cells and dna of hashirama to make the zetsu and also at the same time the eyes of madara after that i think he also killed the kid with the rinnegan and took his eyes..

This would also explain the reason for the demise of the whirlpool country all of a sudden the kid with the rinnegan must have been born in the whirlpool country and to keep secret this theft of the rinnegan eyes, Izuna and the zetsu massacred the whirlpool country.....all this in secret...But at the same time they learned of the kyubi's unsealing and therefore Izuna set out to bring the kyubi under his control....and at the same time destroy konoha.....But thanks to Minato this plan was foiled...

Later Izuna chose this other kid to implant the rinnegan to and u remember nagato does not remember the early part where he killed his parents killer the first time so it could be that izuna did the transplant during that time while Nagato was unconsious and placed a genjutsu on him that gave him the ability to use the rinnegan...and his name "Nagato".

I am not sure of how and where Izuna died and therefore this theory
 
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Re: Who is behind that damn mask ?

Ok guys.

Tobi's mask only had one hole. Corresponding to the right eye.
Uchiha Madara is always depicted with hairs over his right eye.

So Hashirama Senju defeated Madara and took his eye.

How could H.Senju survived so long ?

That's simple, everyone know some trees are millenary, and there's a secret elite wooden style jutsu allowing to extend the mokuton user longevity as long as trees.

Then, how Hashirama Senju did hide the Sharingan ?

He kept the eye in a formol jar and make the graft after his supposed dead.

Why did he founded the Akatsuki ?

His wishes was to eradicate humans and give to the trees the opportunity to live peacefully with him as an eternal leader.
 

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Re: Tobi Theory

have u realised that the iwr madara has onli his left sharingan
Madara's hair is blocking the left eye just as it does in most pictures.


At least with my theory I'm giving you something new, instead of the same old Tobi=Obito post. Also this would explain a lot about the abilities used by Tobi.
I guess we just have to wait for the animated Madara and Tobi to meet.
 

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Re: Poll for the man behind the mask lets see if NB gets it right

Why do you stick with Izuna? Rest of this sounds good, but Izuna is simply out of question!
When combining that you need Senju AND Uchiha, everyone is asuming senju dna was implanted to Tobi. He only needed the Senju dna for Zetzu, thats it. But what if, he simply IS a senju and he only needed the sharingan to be complete?!

I dont think Izuna has something to do with this. he is deas, we saw him lying dead in a coffin, and Madara killed him to get EMS...

The only possibility i see is that the guy comin out of the coffin, in the last chapter, is actually Izuna. I think he didnt called himself Madara, only other called him so...And Tobi is really Madara... But that would NOT explain why the guy of the coffin knows a person Nagato that has the Rinnengan...
Its IMPOSSIBLE that he ment the Nagato-we-know. He did ment another. And goddamn, Tobi even said he gave him the eyes and hes taking em back... cmon... its really simple! :D
 

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Re: Who is behind that damn mask ?

Just a thought I think its definitely NOT the real Madara, but what I can say is this, something I went back and saw to overlook that maybe someone else can piece together. When Madara went and took Nagato's eye he says " You over exhausted yourself so much that your Uzamaki Clans Red hair turned White " Nagato wasnt an original user then. How can that clan inherit the Sages Eye?! Meaning theres truth to him saying he gave him his eye, esepcially because in that same statement he says " your the 3rd of the 6th paths ". I dont think it tells us who he is, but it says hes been around for a while if hes seen 3 Rinnegan users then. So with that information someone put together who he is please!
 

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Re: Poll for the man behind the mask lets see if NB gets it right

Its the sage (the first ninja) thats probably why he can use the rinnengan and sharinghan at a high level.
 

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My Theory on the truth of Madara. (Spoilers!!)

I've seen a lot of predictions pop up for whats really happening with Tobi, who he is, why Madara has been summoned as an Edo Tensai. Some of them are very far-fetched, others are well thought out but it'd hard to imagine someone as insignificant as Kagami Uchiha could suddenly have one of the biggest roles in the entire show. I have a new theory i'd like to put forth based on everything i've seen without even suggesting that Tobi is some random Uchiha (wow) lol.

I'd like to remind people, that when Tobi tussled with Danzos henchmen, his arm was infected and had to rip it off but it wasn't bloody and gory, rather it was white. This 'Tobi' person has always claimed to "Have the power of Uchiha Madara" and there is every chance he does. He also said he was a "shell of his former self" which is why he doesn't get into much combat as he is weak. I've had this long standing theory for a while, and with the latest Manga chapter, ive decided to share it.

Tobi is a Zetsu Clone of Madara.

Lets assume for a minute, that Madara has known Zetsu a long time. With White Zetsus now being shown to perfectly take over someone, and copy them perfectly, with the same dna, chakra network, kekkai genkai and abilities, it makes sense. Zetsu himself is weak, which is why 'Tobi' is always avoiding battle and teleporting around the place. It also explains why the arm he tore off was white, and why he's now grown it back.

Two possibly scenarios exist here. The first, is that on his death after he fought the 1st Hokage, Zetsu (who always watches lol) was asked to take the last of his chakra and his life in order for his 'Moons Eye' plan to live-on. He could carry out his wishes with all of his abilities, tho he'd obviously be a lot weaker thanks to just being a clone. The other option of course, is that Zetsu at the very end betrayed him, took his powers and his identity, and is now carrying on with his own plans. He often referrs to having Madaras powers in the third person, something Madara himself would be unlikely to do.

Itachi implanted the Amaterasu in Sasuke to self-activate on seeing Madara. Therefore, the man under the mask has to look like Madara, so my zetsu theory also explains the self-activation of Amaterasu.

So how come this possible clone knows Izanagi? Zetsu himself is some sore of freaky plant-based thing, possibly born from experimentation of the Uchiha to gain the power of the Senju. He travels through the earth and through wood, making it perfectly possibly he somehow has a connection to the Senju, whether he has thier powers or was somehow born from the firsts jutsu i don't know, but it would explain how he can use Izanagi since he absorbed the Uchiha dna from Madara, but was possibly derived from the Wood Jutsu.

I think at this stage in the Manga, Kishi would be arrogant to introduce some random uchiha who just happens to have one of the biggest roles in the show, it would piss off a lot of fans to be honest. Now for me to be a little far-fetched. Perhaps, if Zetsu is able to take someones chakra and make a perfect clone, if he does that to the point where the victim dies, i wonder if its possible that the soul of the person is also absorbed, meaning that this zetsu clone really does contain the soul of Madara, kinda like a temporary body. He spoke about becoming "complete" when he told about the Moons Eye plan. He may have anticipated that someone would bring his body back or he had plans to do it himself when he was strong enough after the moons eye plan was complete, but he needed a temporary body to extend his life, one that could regenerate and stay alive longer. There is still much speculation but i'd love to hear your thoughts.
 

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Re: My Theory on the truth of Madara. (Spoilers!!)

he isn't a Zetsu Clone. A Zetsu will not talk to himself. tobi talks to zetsu. he isn't THAT lonely
 

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Re: Who is behind that damn mask ?

Ok guys.

Tobi's mask only had one hole. Corresponding to the right eye.
Uchiha Madara is always depicted with hairs over his right eye.

So Hashirama Senju defeated Madara and took his eye.

How could H.Senju survived so long ?

That's simple, everyone know some trees are millenary, and there's a secret elite wooden style jutsu allowing to extend the mokuton user longevity as long as trees.

Then, how Hashirama Senju did hide the Sharingan ?

He kept the eye in a formol jar and make the graft after his supposed dead.

Why did he founded the Akatsuki ?

His wishes was to eradicate humans and give to the trees the opportunity to live peacefully with him as an eternal leader.
As corny as this sounds, i will accept your opinion :)
 

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Why The F*** do people think that tobi is obito

are you kiddin me? first off, obito is the same age as kakashi, when tobi shows part of his face to sasuke, his face is really wrinkled like an elderly person
second, thers no way that obito could no so much about he ninja world, and about itachi, because back then, i dont even think tht itachi was born
and truly, the only person who i think has a legitament chance at ACTUALLY being tobi is izuna uchiha, people make up a bunch of bullsh** about tobi bein so6p, OBITO, kagame uchiha and its like get the f*** outta here wit that like that could actually happen(lmfao)
and one last thing obito died you dumb f**** thinking that tobi is obito and just because the name is similiar dont mean s***
 
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Re: Who Is Tobi

...another thought is if we try to guess by elimination who Tobi is, we should start by eliminating Obito. Why, Obito should be around Kakashi's age. Tobi without the mask (atlist what part of the face we have seen) indicates aged features (Old geezer)
He is right we need to eliminate the people who can't be Tobi.
 
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