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Who is the man behind the mask


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Re: Now that we know the 6th Coffin is Madara...

Tobi i think is still Madara because if Madara knew Nagato then Madara would have been alive during the Uchiha clan massacre, during the 4th Mizukage thing and such. But seeing as he died with his armor on he died in battle or so, or after it. But learned this soul body transfer and transfered into Tobi while his real body rotted away and died. This is confusing now it's WHO IS BEHIND THE MASK and all these SHISUI UCHIHA threads.
I was thinking about making a theory about this. In Itachi's flashback Madara had a tobi like mask but the long hair. Same goes for when he met Kisame, and now all of a sudden Tobi is a completely different person (in terms of appearance) when he is fighting against Minato. Seeing as he knows Nagato, and expected him to revive him makes me question how in the world did he give Nagato the rinnegan. How did he even posses the rinnegan in the first place. SO many questions


Ohhh.... F*** NO! I'm really upset about this, but then again, I suppose I predicted it in one of my theories. But I am upset. But I think that the person behind the mask is some sort of Zetsu clone using Madara's chakra; copying him like he does everyone else. And I know that we've all wanted to see the different battles, but just in passing is NOT WHAT WE MEANT, KISHI!!!
That is plausible. Whenever Tobi loses his arm he goes to the zetsu like plant and just replaces it like he's nothing.
 

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Re: Tobi is Fugaku (Sasuke and Itachis father)

It is possible, he probably has MS that we didn't know (like shisui) about giving him his space/time as well, you would think someone as important as sasuke and itachi's father would be more involved in the manga. God knows naruto's dad has been shown enough so why not more of sasuke's?
 

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Re: Tobi is Fugaku (Sasuke and Itachis father)

Ive thought of many possibilities and Fugaku was one of them.
Im not gonna hijack your thread even though ive got more ideas as to fugaku being tobi. Anyway although i do have ideas i still doubt its him. My money is on izuna first then kagami
 

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Re: Tobi Madara's Younger Brother

Okay with the current rate of the manga going on, and kabuto's pawns being sealed or eventually being sealed I couldn't help but think about Kabuto's Trump Card...

So it dawned on me to rethink it all and this is what I've come up with

In the valley of the End where both Sasuke and Naruto thought the two statues of both Madara vs Hirishama (1st Hokage) they each face each other in a peace stance not battle stance so my question is why would someone build a statue of enemies being in peace?

I believe when Madara fought the 1st Hokage he couldn't defeat him nor could the 1st Hokage defeat Madara knowing that the battle would just end in both of them own death they called a truce.(this scenario is being repeated with Naruto vs Sasuke)

Now Madara young brother which I believe to be "Tobi" didn't stand for that idea he sought not to have the Uchiha in coop with the Senju but ahead of them and disagreed with he's brother's way tried to rally the other Uchiha but they didn't follow him because Madara was the leader and he wasn't as strong as he's brother so he left and sought out means of becoming stronger than all of them, which lead him to stealing the 1st Hokage DNA and creating ZETSU.

During the story of Itachi you see Itachi meeting with Madara who assisted Itachi in the killing of he's own clan, why would Madara do this? I believe it was Tobi Madara younger brother which again was seeking out he's revenge against he's clan.

Zetsu which i believe to have been the birth from numerous tests on creating a regeneration technique which is what Tobi uses to regenerate limbs or parts of he's own body.

Now Naruto's mother and the 1st Hokage wife was from a clan which had very long life expectancy I believe that Tobi had grasped another technique and there DNA and implanted it withing himself to which has had him lived so long.

Now the infinite sharingan was never obtained by any Uchiha that was a lie, Sasuke now being the only one to every obtain such I don't really see of a way or means that the current Madara as said to be could have lost that its an EYE that never goes blind.

I believe the real Madara did sustain injuries from he's fight with Hirishama and he really was losing sight from he's eyes and he slowly died but as to where he was buried? I believe it to be the one place Tobi would never venture but in the Hidden leaf, just as there is stone tablets hidden deep below the city talking about the Sage i believe that is where he was buried.

Since Tobi could never get he's brothers eyes when he helped Itachi slaughter all the other Uchiha he stole there eyes which is why he has such a vast amount in he's hideout but no of them could give him an Infinite Sharingan only he's brothers. Which he could get because he doesn't know where he's brother was buried.

So he devised a plan to gain a power which came close enough the "Moon's Eye Plan" and since he is (Tobi) a master of genjutsu he is seeking to use that to control everything as you can see he not a very direct approach fighter.

Okay and what closes out this idea???

In the manga 490 kabuto meets with Madara(TOBI) and wants to join forces and then just before Madara(TOBI) approaches a dissolve he brings up another coffin which he considers he's TRUMP CARD! I believe this coffin to be the Real MADARA I mean who else can it be? Since all the most powerful Shinobi have been resurrected and to the shock of Madara(TOBI) too see "He's brothers face again" He's Eternal Rival just like Sasuke & Itachi.

**Cannot post link please view Page 6 of Manga 490**

Final two comments go to the screen above

Kabuto : I knew you were reasonable, Uchiha Madara you are really in a league of your own

[He knows he has the real Madara but he doesn't know who is the fake one]

Madara (Tobi) : Wise Guy, I'll reformulate my plan to account for your battle power

[He has been found out a impostor, and now has to think of how to defeat Kabuto if he has to go against the real Madara who is He's Brother and knows all he's fighting style/technique's]

So I implore for your comments on my theory...

Uchiha Madara at Akatsuki being actually Tobi Madara's younger brother....
I still stand by this Theory today as Kabuto Trump cards lays out to be Madara.

Madara is shown with no EMS as i said before he never obtained it because he never took he's brothers eyes. He loved his brother like Itachi loved Sasuke but he's brother which I believe is Tobi was full of vengeance after his death or whatever happen after that battle and sought out revenge like how Sasuke is seaking out now.

Curious enough you haven't seen Itachi do anything as yet, I believe he is going after Kabuto who is already expecting him, and I believe at that same time Sasuke will come out. Itachi will tell Sasuke something which will simmer his anger. I believe Sasuke will be the only one capable of fighting Madara but many will die before he does so but it will be like taking on Kabuto so that will motivation enough. Plus he has the EMS now.

Next note Madara knows about Edo Tensei , I now don't believe the 2nd Hokage was the creator of it, I believe he used it to try and bring back someone he lost. I believe that when Orchimaru broke into the Konoha Jutsu Library he found that Jutsu which he and now Kabuto tried to perfect but I believe Madara may know how to break it.

Other Notes:
Orochimaru has been the baddest villain in this series as I can say he still leaves on, in Manga 558 you notice Kabuto and the snake talking, green colored text for the snake and Red colored text for kabuto.

I wonder now if Madara was the third coffin Orochimaru tried to bring up while fighting the Third? hmmmmmmmm

Orochimaru found both the 1st & 2nd DNA there burial place was not like the rest of Konoha, because ppl can steal techniques from the bodies of the dead so Konoha protected that. But orochi had both access and knowledge to that as being a Senin of the village of Konoha. Which also supports my theory that Tobi could never find Madara body.

Only real question I have is why did Tobi say that he really wished Nagoto had saved the technique he had to bring ppl back to life for him. My synopsis is that;

What ever it takes to control the Biju 10 Tail beast can kill you, like how the Sage was practically dying from being its Jinchuriki

I guess we will all see in time but I can feel I'm right about a few stuff
 

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Re: Tobi is Fugaku (Sasuke and Itachis father)

here is the pic of Tobi fighting Minato the day Naruto was born.

It show that he was working with Zetsu at least for that long, so Its possible he could have used a zetsu clone in his place. Bottom left frame you can see his arm is dripping and you can see right through it.

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Re: Tobi is Fugaku (Sasuke and Itachis father)

I don't think it's Fugaku. He died during the Uchiha massacre, they show his body after Itachi killed him. But hey with Kishimoto anything is possible...
 

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Re: Tobi is Fugaku (Sasuke and Itachis father)

Fugaku was actually the one who would lead the upcoming Uchiha rebellion just before Itachi slaughtered them.. why would he do it?

Also, he has clearly been seen death unless that was just a genjutsu cast on Sasuke.. but wouldn't he have recognized his own father when Tobi took off his mask?
 

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Re: Tobi is Fugaku (Sasuke and Itachis father)

Doubt it. My spider sense is tingling and it says to me that Tobi is from the time of Hashirama and Madara. Somewhere around the age of Village Elders.

He could be either Kagami or some other unknown character and it would have to be an apprentice of Madara.

Why not Izuna? It would turn out to be just too boring. Kishi will suprise us so that's why I think it should be someone that will shock whole naruto fanbase.
Fugaku would fall in that category because he's quite an interesting character from what we have seen and it would be a great twist but than again there's to much controversy over him being Tobi.
 
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Re: TOBI is ..

I think there are 2 Madaras cause the dead one and teh living one have the same intetion and information cause the edo tensie madara said " nagato that brat he was finally able to use RINNE tensei " and in chapter 453 afte rnagato died tobi/madara said exactly the same " Nagato that traitor he was supposed to use rinne tensei ON ME !" why he says ON ME? that means in some way there are 2 madaras dont know how he managed but i think this is a proof ! WHO find this logical?
 

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Re: Tobi Madara's Younger Brother

I think there are 2 Madaras cause the dead one and teh living one have the same intetion and information cause the edo tensie madara said " nagato that brat he was finally able to use RINNE tensei " and in chapter 453 afte rnagato died tobi/madara said exactly the same " Nagato that traitor he was supposed to use rinne tensei ON ME !" why he says ON ME? that means in some way there are 2 madaras dont know how he managed but i think this is a proof ! WHO find this logical?
 

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Re: Now that we know the 6th Coffin is Madara...

I think there are 2 Madaras cause the dead one and teh living one have the same intetion and information cause the edo tensie madara said " nagato that brat he was finally able to use RINNE tensei " and in chapter 453 afte rnagato died tobi/madara said exactly the same " Nagato that traitor he was supposed to use rinne tensei ON ME !" why he says ON ME? that means in some way there are 2 madaras dont know how he managed but i think this is a proof ! WHO find this logical?
 
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Re: TOBI is ..

I think there are 2 Madaras cause the dead one and teh living one have the same intetion and information cause the edo tensie madara said " nagato that brat he was finally able to use RINNE tensei " and in chapter 453 afte rnagato died tobi/madara said exactly the same " Nagato that traitor he was supposed to use rinne tensei ON ME !" why he says ON ME? that means in some way there are 2 madaras dont know how he managed but i think this is a proof ! WHO find this logical?
That sorta makes sense, but doesn't explain the fact why Tobi accepts Kabuto using Edo Tensei while Madara clearly stated he doesn't like it.
 

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Re: Tobi's identity revealed

I agree with psukkar's original post. It would also explain certain differences in the hair styles "Tobi" had. For instance when he attacked Konoha and fought the 4th Hokage Minato, his hair style was short like is was during his first appearence.

Yet when Itachi speaks of him and Madara first meeting it was long, also during Kisame's flash back to him controlling the Mizukage it was also long. Yet during his first appearance it short again.

I could be reading too much into this but I believe this was to signify the difference of character. To somehow hint at the fact that there was more than one person pulling the strings behind the scenes like psukkar said the two Uchiha brothers Madara and Izuna

Really don't see how Tobi could be Obito because like its been said before there is no motive for Obito to want to destroy Konoha. He died happily and willingly gave Kakashi his eye...
 
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Re: Tobi is Fugaku (Sasuke and Itachis father)

At this point I think the man under the mask could be anyone(Well, not anyone but, you get the point)! That being said this is one of my favorite theories right now. It would be fun and unexpected. And that's what I prefer to read; something unexpected.

No matter who it ends up being this(chapter) has for sure gotten me excited about this manga again.
 
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