[Theory] [Official]The Giant Tobi Discussion/Theory Thread

[Tartarus]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

It makes sense. His eyes were not that valuable, they had to Tsukuyomi which he needed fro his plan so he made Rinnegan from them. Nagato was not random ... he was probably one of the last Uzumaki kids alive in that time becauses their villages has been destroyed and they were hiding. It was a good time for him, a war. ... He gave Nagato his EMS eyes turned off and then used genjutsu on those Konoha ninja to go right to their house, Nagato's parents died, and he awakened it as Rinnegan.

That would require him to have to abduct the kid, rip his eyes off and replace them with his own, return the kid to his parents, then anticipate him dying to get his eyes back. Plus the only evidence is Madara's word, and as established, he's not trustworthy.

 

[Sasuke2]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

That would require him to have to abduct the kid, rip his eyes off and replace them with his own, return the kid to his parents, then anticipate him dying to get his eyes back. Plus the only evidence is Madara's word, and as established, he's not trustworthy.

1. If Oro was able to do that to Yamato and Anko, in Anko's case, her memory was wiped out ... genjutsu can do the trick.
2. Madara wanted Nagato later dead ... do you think he would wait till Nagato will reach 80 years or whatever to complete his moon eye plan ?

 

[deidara senpai]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

tobi=madara i agree and some good points to

i will only change m mind that tobi isnt madara when kishi shows us in the manga

 

[Sasuke2]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

tobi=madara i agree and some good points to

i will only change m mind that tobi isnt madara when kishi shows us in the manga

Thanks

 

[C Namikaze14]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

Tobi is Madara,Madara is Tobi. I dont even know why some people think that Tobi is Obito or some other guy U_U

 

[Sasuke2]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

Tobi is Madara,Madara is Tobi. I dont even know why some people think that Tobi is Obito or some other guy U_U

Maybe they watched too much of Fantomas

 

[c3D4]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

Y no question Tobi is Madara....it can only be someone else if Kishi changes his mind...

 

[Tartarus]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

1. If Oro was able to do that to Yamato and Anko, in Anko's case, her memory was wiped out ... genjutsu can do the trick.
2. Madara wanted Nagato later dead ... do you think he would wait till Nagato will reach 80 years or whatever to complete his moon eye plan ?

The difference would be that injecting cells and giving curse marks isn't the same as organ extraction, and why not just kill Nagato as a kid and take his eyes. My main problem with this theory is that it's theory based on more theory. There is no evidence that the EMS becomes the rinnegan, no evidence that madara can just turn it off his EMS and give it to someone else, the only evidence we have is Madara's shady claim.

 

[Sasuke2]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

The difference would be that injecting cells and giving curse marks isn't the same as organ extraction, and why not just kill Nagato as a kid and take his eyes. My main problem with this theory is that it's theory based on lack of theory. There is no evidence that the EMS becomes the rinnegan, no evidence that madara can just turn it off his EMS and give it to someone else, the only evidence we have is Madara's shady claim.

1. Its the same ... genjutsu, transplant/experiment and wiping out memory
2. Madara has not killed Nagato right away he awakened Rinnegan because he needed someone to summon and power the Gedo Mazo and that happened later in his life. Also Madara needed "the leader" so he can hide into shadows.
3. see man ?

 

[MrDVz]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

I believe Tobi may have lie to Itachi and made him believe he was Madara back then, apparently he knew too much about the village secrets (naruto's birth place) so who says he didn't knew about the Uchiha's coup and Itachi's secret mission and decided to use him? ...OR Itachi knows his real identity but calls him Madara because that's the identity he has taken. Tobi is a WAAAAAY complicated character, he is nit Madara, no doubt., Kishi isn't going to spoil this big twist opportunity just to please fanboys...he's writing a masterpiece, we'll see.

 

[Savior..]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

its a zetsu clone of madara

 

[Sasuke2]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

its a zetsu clone of madara

Cant be. Zetsu clones cant use KKG. Neji zetsu clone has not used byakugan

 

[darth mik3]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

Not a troll, but if you ever seen any movies the person looking for immortality or that eventually gets close to achieving it always dies off some dum crap or their ultimate plan gets foiled. naruto will be no different. hopefully kishi makes it so his plans(madara's) work out in the end. but maybe naruto does a little magic here and there and foils it using some bs move lol.

 

[Kinimaster]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

Cant be. Zetsu clones cant use KKG. Neji zetsu clone has not used byakugan

doesnt mean he couldnt.

 

[kicknit]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

Yes, Tobi is indeed Madara. But, I like to call him tobi sometimes because it's shorter and people know who i'm talking about. I kinda thought everyone knew Tobi was Madara Uchiha, i mean even if you don't read the manga you know will know that.

 

[XXDeadpoolXX]

Re: solving of breaking the mask of tobi 100% spoiler

perhaps kagami was a student of madara ( but since madara got beat into a pulp he gave kagami his eyes) therefor it would appear to the kyuubi that it was madara since he didnt see his face either just the sharingan.

 

[Brucewen001]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

When Tobi was controlling Mizukage Yagura, he revealed his face to Kisame.
Later he did the same and Kisame called him Madara Uchiha.

So what of this ?
-Its indeed Madara
-When Kisame did recognize the man behind the mask as Uchiha Madara, his face must not be that different from when he was still young if its recognizable.

So it probably does not look "that" old like those fan made images.
I actually believe that Madara still look the same from time he was "defeated" by Hashirama ... he posses 1st DNA in his own body, Tsunade stated Madara is immortal due to that thus he is no longer aging.
Nuff said!

well.....if tobi is MADARA and he is using 1st hokage cells to fight ageing and not wrinkled but same as always(as you say), then, WHAT'S THE POINT IN WEARING THE MASK??
That mask is a hint that he might not be MADARA.and we cannot completely ignore that.kishi is not fool, he must have a reason behind putting him under mask even after declaring his so called "real" identity.
Tell me why is it only kisame who saw madara true face and why there is guarantee that he is not genjutsued by madara to believe its him(he looked straight into eyes both time and remember how his kisame eye reacted).I don't think there was madara posters those days who made kisame realise that yes!!HE IS MADARA when he saw him coming behind 4th mizukage. He came again in front of KISAME to remind him that he is string pulling.
And, madara with ems was "scared" from 6th coffin.(I would add 'almost').NOW TELL ME WHY MADARA, MOST POWERFUL SHINOBI (SENJU PLUS UCHIHA) WOULD BE SCARED OF SOMEONE.(unless it was his mother or girlfriend in that coffin xd).his scary behaviour gives me another hint that he is not madara.
I can't remember more reasons for the time being, if I remember I will tell you.....
NUff SAID....

 

[Oodama]

Re: solving of breaking the mask of tobi 100% spoiler

Another point to reinforce the original conclusion:

Kushina's pregnancy was kept under wraps, and only a few elders and higher ups new about the birth and location. Uchiha Kagami would have been one of them, which would explain his impeccable timing.

perhaps kagami was a student of madara ( but since madara got beat into a pulp he gave kagami his eyes) therefor it would appear to the kyuubi that it was madara since he didnt see his face either just the sharingan.

The fox could also know Madara's eyes from the fight between Madara and Hashirama. The Fox was summoned to that fight, correct?

 

[Typhon]

Re: solving of breaking the mask of tobi 100% spoiler

It won't be Kagami. It would be too big of a let down for some random character to be the main villain of the series.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

Re: solving of breaking the mask of tobi 100% spoiler

anything is possible so lets just sit and wait who it could be