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[Sasuke2]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

Oh sorry then.
Also the proof that he created the Rinnegan from his EMS:

-Madara has EMS
-Nagato is born
-Nagato awake Rinnegan
-Madara is now without EMS
-He said he gave Nagato Rinnegan and that those eye were his to begin with.
-Uzumaki body + Uchiha eyes = Rinnegan, Im sure you have read this before.
+ stuff above what I said he needed Rinnegan and his EMS had no needed powers for Moon eye plan so he sacrificed it and now want Sasuke's

 

[Kinimaster]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

Oh another thing Oonoki didnt recognize him himself, he got the intel from Kakashi.

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[Sasuke2]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

Oh another thing Oonoki didnt recognize him himself, he got the intel from Kakashi.

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Madara have fought Onoki in the past and also Kyubi did recognize the man as Madara. Madara controlled Kyubi in Hashirama fight and against Konoha later. Do you think he would not sense its someone else controlling him ? He even compared Sasuke's chakra and eye power to that of Madara ... so yeah, Tobi is Sasuke from future ... :"D

 

[Kinimaster]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

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here is where Danzo tells everyone what Kakashi found out. Tobi has a mask on and possibly Madara's eyes, and as i said possibly part of his chakra if he is indeed for example a Zetsu clone. The only way i could think he is Madara is that if Madara Uchiha is not in his body and instead in that Zetsuish experiment body called Tobi, Body change like Orochimaru, that is the only way i could think that the 6th coffin would make sense, because im quite certain that in that coffin lies the original body of Uchiha Madara. But that is just my way of thinking i could be wrong like everyone here.

 

[x9lb babynaruto]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

im not arguing with the logic or anything its just weird seeing tobi be madara since tobi was always screwing around making jokes and stuff but then again it was the ultimate cover up.

 

[papisarze]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

While I have my doubts about Tobi being Madara, I have something to say to all "Tobi is Obito" fans out there, on Chapter 510 he shows TWO Sharingan and if I´m right, he only had one

Now, while it may sound ridiculous, I have a theory lets think about another uchiha that tobi could be... NONE. So while it counters what I just said, two theories come to my mind that make it posible for him to be Obito:

1) Some how, someone that could edo tensei(any1) manage to get a hold of Obito´s DNA and revive him and thats how he now restored his sharingan

2) When the last rock( the one that was to kill him) was about to fell, suddenly his space-time jutsu awakwned and he got teleported to that dimension of him(to where he send sasuke and karin), he hid in there and recovered from his injuries somehow. Then before the uchiha clan massacre he killed someone(anyone) and took his left sharingan. that would be a reason for his space time jutsu being activated from the right one because it is his ability, not the other sharingan´s. also that´s why when he used izanagi he disposed the left one because he could use all of HIS techniques
with it and didnt need it. If youre gonna reply like "how do you explain him getting Hashirama´s DNA?" well my answer would be that as far as I have read, it is almost as if hashiramas DNA waas sold on the black market or somethig like that because oroshimaru got enough to test it on 60 childs. himself, and danzou.

regarding the first theory, it is the least plausible one but i think the second one is very well plotted and if you think i made some mistake in the plot or find a gap in my story just comment it and I will clarify it

 

[Sasuke2]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

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here is where Danzo tells everyone what Kakashi found out. Tobi has a mask on and possibly Madara's eyes, and as i said possibly part of his chakra if he is indeed for example a Zetsu clone. The only way i could think he is Madara is that if Madara Uchiha is not in his body and instead in that Zetsuish experiment body called Tobi, Body change like Orochimaru, that is the only way i could think that the 6th coffin would make sense, because im quite certain that in that coffin lies the original body of Uchiha Madara. But that is just my way of thinking i could be wrong like everyone here.

So ur saying that "original Zetsu" black half made from Madara DNA and white from Hashirama DNA is Tobi ? But Madara must have made him ... and what about his vast knowledge ? Is there mind transfer jutsu ? Oh, Oro's one ... but if Madara knew that and used it to transfer to Tobi, why he has not taken Sasuke's body ?

im not arguing with the logic or anything its just weird seeing tobi be madara since tobi was always screwing around making jokes and stuff but then again it was the ultimate cover up.

yeah that was weird from Kishi ... but even if Tobi really is not Madara but anybody else, its weird as well.
Guess Kishi is good at trolling

 

[Kinimaster]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

While I have my doubts about Tobi being Madara, I have something to say to all "Tobi is Obito" fans out there, on Chapter 510 he shows TWO Sharingan and if I´m right, he only had one

Now, while it may sound ridiculous, I have a theory lets think about another uchiha that tobi could be... NONE. So while it counters what I just said, two theories come to my mind that make it posible for him to be Obito:

1) Some how, someone that could edo tensei(any1) manage to get a hold of Obito´s DNA and revive him and thats how he now restored his sharingan

2) When the last rock( the one that was to kill him) was about to fell, suddenly his space-time jutsu awakwned and he got teleported to that dimension of him(to where he send sasuke and karin), he hid in there and recovered from his injuries somehow. Then before the uchiha clan massacre he killed someone(anyone) and took his left sharingan. that would be a reason for his space time jutsu being activated from the right one because it is his ability, not the other sharingan´s. also that´s why when he used izanagi he disposed the left one because he could use all of HIS techniques
with it and didnt need it. If youre gonna reply like "how do you explain him getting Hashirama´s DNA?" well my answer would be that as far as I have read, it is almost as if hashiramas DNA waas sold on the black market or somethig like that because oroshimaru got enough to test it on 60 childs. himself, and danzou.

regarding the first theory, it is the least plausible one but i think the second one is very well plotted and if you think i made some mistake in the plot or find a gap in my story just comment it and I will clarify it

Another Uchiha could be Uchiha Kagami from team Tobirama, was the only Ninja from that team missing in the kyubi incident, and knows people from that era like torune's father, please read Pungzeyez theory.

 

[Sasuke2]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

While I have my doubts about Tobi being Madara, I have something to say to all "Tobi is Obito" fans out there, on Chapter 510 he shows TWO Sharingan and if I´m right, he only had one

Now, while it may sound ridiculous, I have a theory lets think about another uchiha that tobi could be... NONE. So while it counters what I just said, two theories come to my mind that make it posible for him to be Obito:

1) Some how, someone that could edo tensei(any1) manage to get a hold of Obito´s DNA and revive him and thats how he now restored his sharingan

2) When the last rock( the one that was to kill him) was about to fell, suddenly his space-time jutsu awakwned and he got teleported to that dimension of him(to where he send sasuke and karin), he hid in there and recovered from his injuries somehow. Then before the uchiha clan massacre he killed someone(anyone) and took his left sharingan. that would be a reason for his space time jutsu being activated from the right one because it is his ability, not the other sharingan´s. also that´s why when he used izanagi he disposed the left one because he could use all of HIS techniques
with it and didnt need it. If youre gonna reply like "how do you explain him getting Hashirama´s DNA?" well my answer would be that as far as I have read, it is almost as if hashiramas DNA waas sold on the black market or somethig like that because oroshimaru got enough to test it on 60 childs. himself, and danzou.

regarding the first theory, it is the least plausible one but i think the second one is very well plotted and if you think i made some mistake in the plot or find a gap in my story just comment it and I will clarify it

Mistakes:
#1- Madara "gave" eyes to Nagato when Obito was still alive
#2- Different voice
#3- Oro had Hashirama's DNA from his corpse
#4- space-time jutsu awakened ? we can see him being crushed ...
#5 Obito was not evil
#6 "Madara" fought Minato a while later as a full grown man
#7 Nice trolling

 

[papisarze]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

Mistakes:
#1- Madara "gave" eyes to Nagato when Obito was still alive
#2- Different voice
#3- Oro had Hashirama's DNA from his corpse
#4- space-time jutsu awakened ? we can see him being crushed ...
#5 Obito was not evil
#6 "Madara" fought Minato a while later as a full grown man
#7 Nice trolling

#1) Who said he didnt? Im not saying he did but if he did why does it matter in relation to the theory?
#2)Guess you are the only one who´s voice never changed
#3) and that makes it impossible tfor him to have some?
#4) No... We didnt
#5)Sasuke wasnt either at his age
#6) So what? Still leaves a 16+ year gap for him to have died
#7) WAS THAT NECESARY?

 

[Tartarus]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

ok why is everyone so convinced Madara gave Nagato his EMS. That theory has no proof and doesn't make any sense. Why would Madara give his most valuable eye to some random Uzamaki kid. Madara(known to be egotistical) could just be making claims to make himself sound more awesome. He said he wasn't behind the kyubi attack, and he lied. We saw Nagato's flashback which made no hint of Nagato having a sharingan.

 

[Kinimaster]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

So ur saying that "original Zetsu" black half made from Madara DNA and white from Hashirama DNA is Tobi ? But Madara must have made him ... and what about his vast knowledge ? Is there mind transfer jutsu ? Oh, Oro's one ... but if Madara knew that and used it to transfer to Tobi, why he has not taken Sasuke's body ?

yeah that was weird from Kishi ... but even if Tobi really is not Madara but anybody else, its weird as well.
Guess Kishi is good at trolling

Im pretty sure he wants Sasuke to sync with Gedo Mazo as he said it to Zetsu in the manga, if you want ill give you the link, and i dont know for certain the Zetsu thing to be honest, but there is something Huge concerning Tobi and Zetsu, i just happen to know it.

 

[papisarze]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

ok why is everyone so convinced Madara gave Nagato his EMS. That theory has no proof and doesn't make any sense. Why would Madara give his most valuable eye to some random Uzamaki kid. Madara(known to be egotistical) could just be making claims to make himself sound more awesome. He said he wasn't behind the kyubi attack, and he lied. We saw Nagato's flashback which made no hint of Nagato having a sharingan.

First time since i been here(my few post doesnt mean i wasnt a guest all the time before) that someone logistically state the fact that if (madara/tobi/obito/whoever you want) gave nagato the rinnegan he would be realy realy stupid and senseless because if is it that he really had the rinnegan to give to some1 i think he could have implanted it into izuna atleast not the first standard, non-shinobi, random kid he found

 

[Sasuke2]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

#1) Who said he didnt? Im not saying he did but if he did why does it matter in relation to the theory?
#2)Guess you are the only one who´s voice never changed
#3) and that makes it impossible tfor him to have some?
#4) No... We didnt
#5)Sasuke wasnt either at his age
#6) So what? Still leaves a 16+ year gap for him to have died
#7) WAS THAT NECESARY?

lol whatever man, check your stuff first ... Tobi cant be Obito ... 2-3 years after Obito's death, Madara fought Minato. Obito died as 13 years old and that man attacking Konoha was a full grown man and Im sure his own sensei would recognize him.

ok why is everyone so convinced Madara gave Nagato his EMS. That theory has no proof and doesn't make any sense. Why would Madara give his most valuable eye to some random Uzamaki kid. Madara(known to be egotistical) could just be making claims to make himself sound more awesome. He said he wasn't behind the kyubi attack, and he lied. We saw Nagato's flashback which made no hint of Nagato having a sharingan.

It makes sense. His eyes were not that valuable, they had to Tsukuyomi which he needed fro his plan so he made Rinnegan from them. Nagato was not random ... he was probably one of the last Uzumaki kids alive in that time becauses their villages has been destroyed and they were hiding. It was a good time for him, a war. ... He gave Nagato his EMS eyes turned off and then used genjutsu on those Konoha ninja to go right to their house, Nagato's parents died, and he awakened it as Rinnegan.

Im pretty sure he wants Sasuke to sync with Gedo Mazo as he said it to Zetsu in the manga, if you want ill give you the link, and i dont know for certain the Zetsu thing to be honest, but there is something Huge concerning Tobi and Zetsu, i just happen to know it.

yeah he want him to sync with Gedo Mazo, but Sasuke need the 2nd Rinnegan eye for that. So I think they will trade the eyes.
-Madara will take Sasuke's Tsukuyomi EMS eye and give him the 2nd Rinnegan eye instead for him to sync with statue.
-Madara will use Sasuke's eye to cast Infinity Tsukuyomi and Sasuke will be the battery for Gedo Mazo as Nagato and Hashirama' corpse clone are

 

[Kinimaster]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

lol whatever man, check your stuff first ... Tobi cant be Obito ... 2-3 years after Obito's death, Madara fought Minato. Obito died as 13 years old and that man attacking Konoha was a full grown man and Im sure his own sensei would recognize him.

It makes sense. His eyes were not that valuable, they had to Tsukuyomi which he needed fro his plan so he made Rinnegan from them. Nagato was not random ... he was probably one of the last Uzumaki kids alive in that time becauses their villages has been destroyed and they were hiding. It was a good time for him, a war. ... He gave Nagato his EMS eyes turned off and then used genjutsu on those Konoha ninja to go right to their house, Nagato's parents died, and he awakened it as Rinnegan.


yeah he want him to sync with Gedo Mazo, but Sasuke need the 2nd Rinnegan eye for that. So I think they will trade the eyes.
-Madara will take Sasuke's Tsukuyomi EMS eye and give him the 2nd Rinnegan eye instead for him to sync with statue.
-Madara will use Sasuke's eye to cast Infinity Tsukuyomi and Sasuke will be the battery for Gedo Mazo as Nagato and Hashirama' corpse clone are

I believe the chakra reserves for Gedo Mazo will come directly from the 9 Bijus, there is no point on Sasuke to be the battery of Gedo Mazo, Sasuke part on Gedo Mazo would probably be Tsukuyomi through the statue itself.

 

[Sasuke2]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

I believe the chakra reserves for Gedo Mazo will come directly from the 9 Bijus, there is no point on Sasuke to be the battery of Gedo Mazo, Sasuke part on Gedo Mazo would probably be Tsukuyomi through the statue itself.

Madara plan to become a host of Ten-Tails so those bijus will be combined again with Ten-Tails body and Madara will be the host. Sasuke will have to power the Tsukuyomi.

 

[Kinimaster]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

Madara plan to become a host of Ten-Tails so those bijus will be combined again with Ten-Tails body and Madara will be the host. Sasuke will have to power the Tsukuyomi.

Thats what i said, Gedo Mazo is probably the Juubi's body, while the 9 beats complete its chakra, Sasuke will provide the Juubi the Tsukuyomi, and Madara would remain the Jinchuriki of that beast casting that infinite Genjutsu.

 

[Sasuke2]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

yep. but for sasuke to sync with statue he will have to posses the 2nd Rinnegan eye and his back will be pierced with those chakra rods as in Nagato's case ,,, poor boy.

 

[papisarze]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

lol whatever man, check your stuff first ... Tobi cant be Obito ... 2-3 years after Obito's death, Madara fought Minato. Obito died as 13 years old and that man attacking Konoha was a full grown man and Im sure his own sensei would recognize him.

Nice but then again, the one who fought minato was 16 years before this and as you said they have "diferent voices" so how about the one who fought minato died and then Obito(or one of ur other mysterious unnamed madara impersonators) is faking to be madara 16 years after

It makes sense. His eyes were not that valuable, they had to Tsukuyomi which he needed fro his plan so he made Rinnegan from them. Nagato was not random ... he was probably one of the last Uzumaki kids alive in that time becauses their villages has been destroyed and they were hiding. It was a good time for him, a war. ... He gave Nagato his EMS eyes turned off and then used genjutsu on those Konoha ninja to go right to their house, Nagato's parents died, and he awakened it as Rinnegan.

But how did he get his new 3 tomoe sharingan if he gave his original´s to Nagato?

 

[Sasuke2]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

Nice but then again, the one who fought minato was 16 years before this and as you said they have "diferent voices" so how about the one who fought minato died and then Obito(or one of ur other mysterious unnamed madara impersonators) is faking to be madara 16 years after



But how did he get his new 3 tomoe sharingan if he gave his original´s to Nagato?

No reason for Obito to do that.
And its not like he has 21210212031 sharingan eyes in those bottles or what it is