[Theory] [Official]The Giant Tobi Discussion/Theory Thread

[iHiruzen]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

What are you talking about ? Kisame met "Madara/Tobi" when he was like 20 and he died in his 30s. Tsunade is 54 so -10 ... how is that teen or younger ?

u do know madara/tobi is old as hashirama..and they look like they were like late 20's to early 30's when they started konoha, and that means he is older than yagura(the 4th mizukage i think)..so by time he took control of yagura he had to be old because like 1-2 wars mite have past..he has to be way older than 40..do the math...then t\more time passed then he joined the akatsuki as tobi..then 3yrs past, and he revealed to kisame he was madara..so he should be elderly by this time..which means that either he did somthin to stay young or he isnt the real madara...cuz i doubt that hashirama's cells make u stay young...just longivity i think..thats what im talking about

 

[Kinimaster]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

This

So ur saying that Tobi is someone with eyes of Madara ? But who ? Lets theorize, shall we ? : D
What if Izuna has not died and then came and took his eyes back from Madara's corpse ? Or its Kagami as you guys say ... but why would he do such things ? he was a good guy, wasnt he ? Even Danzo looked like a villain and in the end it turned out that all wrong thing he has done were for the higher good.


I think this, but I can be wrong

If i knew i would say it of course, but i need to watch more manga chapters to put up a consistent theory, my possible choices are, he is Kagami Uchiha from team Tobirama, he is a Zetsu clone, he is another Uchiha from the past, he is a renegade ninja who recollected a lot of Uchiha eyes to gain power or that he is indeed Madara Uchiha( this one to me is the one less likely to happen).

 

[Anbu Shinobi]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

I'm still not sure but i think its a deception thing like the reason kabuto join the so called madara its still unclear to me in till i see more intel on it Anbu Intel!!!!! and he could have got uzumaki dna for longivity cause they are 1 of 3 i know of to be of the 6 paths senju uchiha uzumaki

 

[iHiruzen]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

What are you talking about ? Kisame met "Madara/Tobi" when he was like 20 and he died in his 30s. Tsunade is 54 so -10 ... how is that teen or younger ?

If i knew i would say it of course, but i need to watch more manga chapters to put up a consistent theory, mi possible choices are, he is Kagami Uchiha from team Tobirama, he is a Zetsu clone, he is another Uchiha from the past, he is a renegade ninja who recollected a lot of Uchiha eyes to gain power or that he is indeed Madara Uchiha( this one to me is the one less likely to happen).

yea maybe, but if he was another uchiha itachi would reckonize him by his skills, and if not him then one of the kages would kno..and i dont think a zetsu clone is that good,its hard to determine at this point cuz theyre are so many factors that negate identities that we think

 

[jayhayallday]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

since when has it never been madara??????????? this was a pointless thread

 

[iHiruzen]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

since when has it never been madara??????????? this was a pointless thread

i dont think its pointless, becuase many people are learning things that they didnt kno b4..threads about madara shoudnt be pointless because no one still hasnt proved the identity of him

 

[ChrisWolf]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

Kisame never knew the original Madara for starters nor the way he looked phisically, there is not much info about Tobi back then when he was controlling the Mizukage, could of showed Kisame the same face back then telling he was Madara Uchiha, the only things we currently know are that he has Sharingan, S/T jutsu, met Danzo in the Uchiha Massacre, claims to have given( helped in mastering) Nagato the Rin'negan, has Hashirama DNA, can use Izanagi, gave up one Sharingan eye for Rin'negan, parts of his body are similar to Zetsu, was afraid of Itachi, met Itachi just before the massacre, likes to change the storys(lies a lot), is using Sasuke, has a big secret probably related to his real identity(Kabuto coffin), recognizes some Sharingan abilities to be quite unique( he gave the paths a sharingan eye), knows the secrets of the Sharingan but never showed a MS ability, was Itachi's mentor at some point, wants to take over the world with Mugen Tsukuyomi.

agreed, kisame is only 32 in shippuden he is too young to have known madara when he was young

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

the 1 behind the mask is sasuke's grandfather

 

[Skeetonursheets]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

When Tobi was controlling Mizukage Yagura, he revealed his face to Kisame.
Later he did the same and Kisame called him Madara Uchiha.

So what of this ?
-Its indeed Madara
-When Kisame did recognize the man behind the mask as Uchiha Madara, his face must not be that different from when he was still young if its recognizable.

So it probably does not look "that" old like those fan made images.
I actually believe that Madara still look the same from time he was "defeated" by Hashirama ... he posses 1st DNA in his own body, Tsunade stated Madara is immortal due to that thus he is no longer aging.
Nuff said!

Im sorry to break your so called "theory" but there has been many ways in naruto to mask ones identity, tsunade uses a technique to make herself younger but others can completely change their outward appearance, also when his allies refer to him as "Madara" its a failsafe so that if ANYONE is somehow listening they would believe whatever kisame said was true but was false because he ordered the akatsuki to call him by that name to confuse the enemy.

 

[Dogmaseal]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

Tobi aint madara..... If he is, there would be no need for the mask and he would at least shown his ms ability if his second eyes

 

[naruto vs pain]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

why did madara cut his hair it was perfect for an uchiha and madara's eternal life sharigan is way better than sasuke's
sasukes look the same as before and so what i know some of u idiots are gonna say " NO SASUKE HAS A WAY BETTER ETERNAL LIFE SHARIGAN THAN MADARAS"
i cant blame you thoe cuzz its amazing and suprising to see our sasuke with eternal life sharigan but still i think madaras is better

 

[Sasuke2]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

u do know madara/tobi is old as hashirama..and they look like they were like late 20's to early 30's when they started konoha, and that means he is older than yagura(the 4th mizukage i think)..so by time he took control of yagura he had to be old because like 1-2 wars mite have past..he has to be way older than 40..do the math...then t\more time passed then he joined the akatsuki as tobi..then 3yrs past, and he revealed to kisame he was madara..so he should be elderly by this time..which means that either he did somthin to stay young or he isnt the real madara...cuz i doubt that hashirama's cells make u stay young...just longivity i think..thats what im talking about

What are you talking about ? you said that when he controlled Yagura, Tsunade was a teen or even younger .... Kisame met "Madara" controlling Yagura when he was in 20s, and he died in 30s. So Tsunade in your theory aged in 10 years from teen to 54 years old woman ? Poor Lady ...

since when has it never been madara??????????? this was a pointless thread

you see, some dont believe it

 

[zirx2]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

....
Dude we were all pretty sure tobi was Madara before...

 

[Sasuke2]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

the 1 behind the mask is sasuke's grandfather

Good trolling

Im sorry to break your so called "theory" but there has been many ways in naruto to mask ones identity

thats right, but sensors can detect chakra thus transformation technique and also Onoki fought Madara in the past and they recognized each other .... thats enough proof for me.

Tobi aint madara..... If he is, there would be no need for the mask and he would at least shown his ms ability if his second eyes

So Kakashi is not Kakashi, Its Obito and real Kakashi is dead under Boulders.
His teleportation is probably his eye power. But you are right, he has never shown EMS in present and thats why some theorize he gave his eyes to create Rinnegan and stuff

why did madara cut his hair it was perfect for an uchiha and madara's eternal life sharigan is way better than sasuke's
sasukes look the same as before and so what i know some of u idiots are gonna say " NO SASUKE HAS A WAY BETTER ETERNAL LIFE SHARIGAN THAN MADARAS"
i cant blame you thoe cuzz its amazing and suprising to see our sasuke with eternal life sharigan but still i think madaras is better

what ? we have never seen Madara's EMS powers ... also dont judge by looks

 

[Nara..]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

Some say Tobi is Obito but Obito is dead. There is a high possibility that Tobi is Madara.

 

[mookyuzamaki]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

Kisame never knew the original Madara for starters nor the way he looked phisically, there is not much info about Tobi back then when he was controlling the Mizukage, could of showed Kisame the same face back then telling he was Madara Uchiha, the only things we currently know are that he has Sharingan, S/T jutsu, met Danzo in the Uchiha Massacre, claims to have given( helped in mastering) Nagato the Rin'negan, has Hashirama DNA, can use Izanagi, gave up one Sharingan eye for Rin'negan, parts of his body are similar to Zetsu, was afraid of Itachi, met Itachi just before the massacre, likes to change the storys(lies a lot), is using Sasuke, has a big secret probably related to his real identity(Kabuto coffin), recognizes some Sharingan abilities to be quite unique( he gave the paths a sharingan eye), knows the secrets of the Sharingan but never showed a MS ability, was Itachi's mentor at some point, wants to take over the world with Mugen Tsukuyomi.

where does it say he was afraid of itachi?

 

[Kinimaster]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

This thread is getting interesting, i never thought there were so many members that were 100% convinced that Tobi is Madara, i respect your opinions but i think a lot of people just accept what is been said in the manga without putting much thought into it. Im leaned to think he is Kagami for a lot of reasons, but what gets me the most are 2 things: 1.- His Sharingan never turns off or he just cant. Thats what happens if you possess a Sharingan eye without being an a Uchiha, like Kakashi and Danzo who had to put something on to not use it. That would explain how he could of needed to be merged with Zetsu to get the Hashirama DNA and Uchiha DNA in that experimental body(with Madara's eyes). I dont believe any of the Kages recognize him before it was very obvious cause he said so himself. Also that would explain why he hadnt use any of his EMS abilities, because if you are not an Uchiha a MS ability would almost completely deplete your chakra like Kakashi.
2.- His persistent and not stopping intentions to be recognized as Madara Uchiha, its like the author is saying to us, this Tobi guy wants to be Madara Uchiha and be respected as such a legend.

 

[Kinimaster]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

where does it say he was afraid of itachi?

He said something about Itachi 3 times: 1.- He would never dare to fight a full health Itachi, something like that, dont remember well. 2.- Now that Itachi is dead there is no barriers to attack Konoha. 3.- If Itachi knew his true intentions or secrets he would be dead.

 

[Sasuke2]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

This thread is getting interesting, i never thought there were so many members that were 100% convinced that Tobi is Madara, i respect your opinions but i think a lot of people just accept what is been said in the manga without putting much thought into it. Im leaned to think he is Kagami for a lot of reasons, but what gets me the most are 2 things: 1.- His Sharingan never turns off or he just cant. Thats what happens if you possess a Sharingan eye without being an a Uchiha, like Kakashi and Danzo who had to put something on to not use it. That would explain how he could of needed to be merged with Zetsu to get the Hashirama DNA and Uchiha DNA in that experimental body(with Madara's eyes). I dont believe any of the Kages recognize him before it was very obvious cause he said so himself. Also that would explain why he hadnt use any of his EMS abilities, because if you are not an Uchiha a MS ability would almost completely deplete your chakra like Kakashi.
2.- His persistent and not stopping intentions to be recognized as Madara Uchiha, its like the author is saying to us, this Tobi guy wants to be Madara Uchiha and be respected as such a legend.

Kagami is Uchiha ... so he has Uchiha blood thus can turn it on/off. you caught yourself man, also:
-He has not used any MS/EMS powers cause he no longer has it ... he gave his eyes to Nagato in order to awake Rinnegan (Rinnegan is needed for his plan) also his eyes did not posses Tsukuyomi so they were useless.
Thats why he created Rinnegan from them and now want Sasuke's ones capable of Tsukuyomi. Also Onoki did recognize him.
EDIT: That part of Tobi/Madara being afraid of Itachi is true. "Madara" said that if Itachi knew all his secrets, he would be long ago dead because Itachi is/was stronger

 

[Kinimaster]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

Kagami is Uchiha ... so he has Uchiha blood thus can turn it on/off. you caught yourself man, also:
-He has not used any MS/EMS powers cause he no longer has it ... he have his eyes to Nagato in order to awake Rinnegan (Rinnegan is needed for his plan) also his eyes did not posses Tsukuyomi so they were pointless.
Thats why he created Rinnegan from them and now want Sasuke's ones capable of Tsukuyomi. Also Onoki did recognize him.
EDIT: That part of Tobi/Madara being afraid of Itachi is true. "Madara" said that if Itachi knew all his secrets, he would be long ago dead because Itachi is/was stronger

I said i like the Kagami theory, the points i mentioned were in case he is not Kagami, you misunderstood me.