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[HamzaVeli]

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this guy has done his research well

 

[pungzeyez]

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tell me what do you think of this theory? check this out


I Believe I Have Found The Secrets Behind Madara And Zetsu!!

This is Only a theory, But if Zetsu is indeed Based on Yin and Yang as some believe, then we kinda are talking about two sides of the same coin!

In Which case, since the White Zetsu has the Ability to "Copy" an Opponents "Body" and Physical Chakra, the Black Zetsu could have some kind of "Recording" Ability, in other Words, the Black Zetsu can "Record" a Persons "Soul" and Spiritual Chakra!

If thats the Case, then Hashirama The First Hokage did actually Destroy Madaras Body as the legends foretold!, Madara Used the White Zetsu to Copy his Body and Physical Chakra, and He Used the Black Zetsu to Record and Save his Soul, a Vessel to inhabit!

BUT, i think Only "Half" Of Madaras Soul was Sealed within Black Zetsu!, the other half of his Soul was either Damaged by Hashirama, or is Sealed somewhere else in my Opinion!

This fits to Some Mysteries in the Manga, like....

1-This Explains why Madara hides half of his face by Wearing a Mask, Body and hands, you did Notice that he Wears Gloves on his hand!

2-This means that Beneath that Mask, on the left Side of his Body, He is Black Zetsu!!

3-Look at these Pages in the Manga

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4-When Kabuto Summoned that last Coffin, it Was Madaras other half inside the Coffin!, Kabuto had Summoned Madaras Soul, the Other half, thats why madara couldnt refuse!, if madara fought himself, then he would only Damage and Weaken himself as it was said here in the Manga, look!

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Madara said that if i fight right now, i will only weaken myself, thats why he couldnt refuse!!


5-Madara said to to the Kages that he wanted to be Complete!, Meaning his Soul Complete, aswell as his Body!, getting his other half back, kinda like kyuubi, and also Getting his Body and Power back by reviving Jubi, and Sealing it in himself!

6-Madara Said that he wanted to use Nagatos Jutsu Gedo Rinne Tensei "the Soul Revival Jutsu" for himself!, Which means he wants to Use it to get back the other half of his Soul!!

7-i believe the reason why he can use Senjus power is because he had white Zetsu Copy hashiramas chakra, and the man who believed was Dead and Killed by hashirama, was Actually white Zetsu!!


8-White Zetsu can both Drain and Copy, Black Zetsu can both Record and Consume, he Records Spiritual energy, and he Consumes human bodies!, Cuz we do know that Zetsu is a man eater!!

9-Madara could use the ability to walk through trees and under Ground, its Black Zetsus Ability!!

10-Do you remember Black Zetsu said that he "Recorded" Itachi and Sasukes fight?, it could be some kind of memory recording, or Genjutsu that uses Spiritual energy to record what he Sees with his eyes!, either way, this does mean that he has "Recording" abilities as i said!!

11-Since Black zetsu has madaras Spiritual Chakra, he can Use Izanagi!, Which is a Genjutsu! - left eye = Genjutsu.


"i dont know if white zetsu can copy kekkei genkai or not, but if not, then it could mean that madara implanted those eyes, it also kinda explains why madara has his right sharingan always activated!, cuz its not an uchiha body, like kakashi!!

so this could mean that kabuto also had madaras Original body inside that coffin, which madara desperately would want!!"


12-Madara Said that Izanagi is the Ability to turn Imagination into Reality!, here..

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by using Yin that forms Imagination, and Yang that forms Life, He Created the Ultimate Yin and Yang Being, Zetsu!!, So6p Used it to Create the Bijuus!, and Since Madara can use a Perfect Izanagi, I Believe he Imagined Zetsu, and Created him!!, thats why hes so loyal and always by his side!!

13-when torune danzos man injured tobis hand, he cut it off like it was nothing, and it was white and without Blood!! - its because when it was cut off it returned to its original form - white Zetsu!!

14-Why Madara Is Immortal, I Believe its Because his kinda like Voldemort in harry potter, Voldemort used the horcruxes to Split his Soul, and that made him immortal!, Madara Split his Soul in two, which also makes him immortal!!, inorder to truly kill him, you have to Destroy both half of his Soul!!


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#1 yes i believe he was merge with zetsu. coz once i created a forum like this before, that zetsu was merge with tobi. maybe ill post here when im not bz at school.
#2 wrong he was merge with white zetsu. (or both im assure hes with white zetsu)
#3 i seen it many times
#4 what does kabuto does not want to tell anybody else? that he not madara? the 6th coffin is madara indeed but i dont think there is no half-half about this one. bec i never yet seen a half-half jutsu =)
#5 yes but he say madaras power.
#6 i dont think tobi know the edo tensie jutsu. bec on ch 520 why would tobi would want to explain about that jutsu. if he knew that jutsu in the 1st place he have not wasted his time on kabuto.
#7 zetsu is part of dna of the 1st but we dont know when the experiment on zetsu started could it be after his death of the 1st?
#8 drain and eat? i think i miss that part what the ch? now that u mention that some ninja call him madara or sense him madara because he myt copy the spiritual chackra of madara. just like i believe he was merge with white zetsu. and ninjas were sense him as madara.
#9 and white zetsu as well
#10 recording justsu is possible one of the who master recording jutsu is kakashi. thats why he called him copy ninja
# 11 wrong. izigani can only cast when he get the 2 requirement the uchiha and senju dna. white zetsu is from the dna of the 1st. and i believe tobi is merge with white zetsu. now the 1 body has 2 dna he can cast izigani like denzo.
# 12 i dont know lolz
# 13 seen than
# 14 i hate hp. lolz =) i do believe there were no immortal jutsu. it is because even the who created and master all the jutsu was not able to escape death... the so6p.

 

[Mino]

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I applaud this theory and your reasoning

 

[apple pie of doom]

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Finally one that ''could'' actually happen.
Chances are just as big that Uchiha Kagami died in the war though.

I'd say its a nice theory.

 

[Mino]

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Finally one that ''could'' actually happen.
Chances are just as big that Uchiha Kagami died in the war though.

I'd say its a nice theory.

wow the dutch meister even thinks this is plausible. well now it just have to be uchia Kagemi

 

[ihateSakura]

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either this
or the zetsu theory

or maybe their's more then 1 madara, maybe like a shadow clone with a mind of his own.
or maybe differnt ppl have been playing madara

 

[pungzeyez]

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Much better than all the other retarded Tobi=... theories, i'll give you that but still too many flaws. Like:

1. Why would Kagami uchiha have any interest in massacring the uchiha clan? Only the real Madara would want to do that, as he was betrayed by the Uchiha all those years ago. This just does'nt fit.
2. You mention the way Tobi knows about that Aburame guy as evidence. However, you seem to ignore a lot of other evidence of him being Madara.

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Tobi describes that with such detail as if he had lived through all that, idk if he would have given such vivid descriptions of those events had he been kagami.

3. You asked Anub(who i agree with here) why Madara would wait 100 years to get revenge on his clan. The answer's simple: he had to wait for the right opportunity. He was a shell of his former self, he said so himself and so did Itachi:

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He was weakened after losing to Hashirama, and was incapable of taking revenge on the uchiha or on konoha. He used the 9 tails like Itachi said, and how was he aware of the exact time when the seal was at its weakest?
Then when a once in a generation genius was born amongst the uchiha loyal to konoha at the expense of his own clan, what better oppurtunity for Madara to get his revenge by using the strength that Itachi has and he did'nt?
4. You say Kagami learned space time probly from the 2nd. No, that's impossible. Why? Tobi's space time was greater than both the 4th and the 2nd's:

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There is a tendency for the younger generation in konoha to exceed the older and the 4th would probly have exceeded the 2nd yet Tobi's space time exceeds both? Does'nt make sense for him to be the 2nd hokage's student yet exceed him like that.
5. Danzo. He was abreast of a lot of things, and if he kept contactwith Oro and knew about izanagi, i don't see how he would'nt know his own age mate was the man behind the founding of Akatsuki.
6. To know all the secrets of the Mangekyuo plus the uchiha clan tech's etc it has to be read off the tablet in the uchiha shrine. Tobi knows all of them, but if he is'nt Madara how did he read it all as you'd need MS/EMS or even rinnegan? There would have been a murder in the uchiha clan had he awakened his mangekyuo, and that would never have escaped Danzo or the anbu's attention. Also, where would a 2nd hokage pupil and 3rd's generation kid get to know so much about the Sage of the 6 paths , the uchiha senju rivalry? Even if he did know somehow, would he the EVER accept Tobirama Senju to be his sensei?
That's why i disagree, lol^^.

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the reason why he killed his clanmate he because of there eye. but we dont know yet what he is trying to achieve.

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dont ignore also the time when they were hired, that was the 1st war. i dont believe madara meet that turunes father when he was child. because when he was talking as if he knew turune father ability. ok if he met him as his age mate of madara, turune should age of tsunade the granddaughter of 1st. and tobi should say "you should be his grandson" lolz

when he was return from his exile, why he did not harm his clanmate but instead he challenge the 1st to fight. and 100+ years had pass and 3 generation also pass what he will gain by killing the descendant of his generation? i mean all the people in his generation are dead. and if he is angry on his clan he should have take revenge on his generation of unchiha. tobi has a part of the massacre but i dont think it was on revenge or maybe another of his self interest. like the pix above his collecting the uchiha eye and conducting experiment on them.

just like rasengan of 4th n jaraiya , naruto rasengan is better. too much training lolz

maybe he let nagato read the tablet on him they were along side since from the start .

 

[Rihari]

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im really impressed with this

your observation skills are really top notch, you noticing stuff helping your theory.

it is the best theory ive read ever about tobis identity becuase you really backed your self up there

tbh i did not wanna read it becuase there are jsut so many of these out there its not funny

but i saw how long it was so i thought what the heck looks lyk you put alot of time in this. glad i did to ay lol

but there are a couple of theories tht have already stated tht tobi is kagumi but you've defiantly made it better than theres by 10 fold you made it so good tht im sorta agreeing with you i dont want to but its hard to argue with all the stuff you've stated here ay lol

 

[Cyborg]

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the reason why he killed his clanmate he because of there eye. but we dont know yet what he is trying to achieve.

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dont ignore also the time when they were hired, that was the 1st war. i dont believe madara meet that turunes father when he was child. because when he was talking as if he knew turune father ability. ok if he met him as his age mate of madara, turune should age of tsunade the granddaughter of 1st. and tobi should say "you should be his grandson" lolz

when he was return from his exile, why he did not harm his clanmate but instead he challenge the 1st to fight. and 100+ years had pass and 3 generation also pass what he will gain by killing the descendant of his generation? i mean all the people in his generation are dead. and if he is angry on his clan he should have take revenge on his generation of unchiha. tobi has a part of the massacre but i dont think it was on revenge or maybe another of his self interest. like the pix above his collecting the uchiha eye and conducting experiment on them.

just like rasengan of 4th n jaraiya , naruto rasengan is better. too much training lolz

maybe he let nagato read the tablet on him they were along side since from the start .

Well you're just giving too much importance to the Danzo dead body thingy. A lot of your reply here is gibberish, and hard to decipher. Also, Madara wanted revenge on the Uchiha as a whole, as the new generation was'nt going to help him any more than the old. Besides,if Madara has less reasons to massacre the uchiha new generation, Kagami uchiha has zero. (provide proof to the contrary)

 

[Anduril]

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i would say a nice theory than many
and we have to just wait and see the greatest suspense of the millenium

madara?

 

[SparkZ]

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Great theory :d!!!

 

[pungzeyez]

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nice theory pungay, lol.

ninu ika?

 

[Abd100]

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Altho it's a theory, but that's the "most" possible one.

 

[jonedv]

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why cant just Tobi be Madara? First when we meet Tobi, we all wondered who it was, and now we know him as Madara... and btw, evrything is possible in Naruto series, so hvy couldn't Madara be alive today? Maybe hes space time jutsu, have something to do with this..

 

[BigTDogg220]

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It'd be such a let down if it isn't actually Madara and is some basically no name shinboi mentioned once.

 

[pungzeyez]

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why cant just Tobi be Madara? First when we meet Tobi, we all wondered who it was, and now we know him as Madara... and btw, evrything is possible in Naruto series, so hvy couldn't Madara be alive today? Maybe hes space time jutsu, have something to do with this..

it much very disappointing if he explain he used s/t(time travel) jutsu why he is still alive. but if he is madara hes gonna explain almost 50 chapter why he is still alive.O.O

 

[ninetailedhokagesage]

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great theory man it is very plausible

 

[Michael92]

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Could be possible.

 

[pungzeyez]

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tnx

 

[monkeyking7]

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nice man it be kinda weird if it was a character that wasnt even really introduced very much but this one makes a lot more sense than some of the others