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whatever you say tobi fooled many but he aint naruto.nomore
whatever you say tobi fooled many but he aint naruto.nomore
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Re: solving of breaking the mask of tobi 100% spoiler
very good prediction!! it has a large chance that uchiha kagami is tobi.... but we do not know what kishi is planning to do regarding the mysterious identity of tobi... but for now, i'll have 50 - 50. 50% madara 50% uchiha kagami
very good prediction!! it has a large chance that uchiha kagami is tobi.... but we do not know what kishi is planning to do regarding the mysterious identity of tobi... but for now, i'll have 50 - 50. 50% madara 50% uchiha kagami
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Only other slight theory i can think of apart from the obvious and yours or maybe a random Uchia.
Is its Madaras Son. Seeing as the 1st had offspring why not Madara and it would explain somewhat how he got the 1st Powers maybe the mother was a part of the 1st's clan!
Only other slight theory i can think of apart from the obvious and yours or maybe a random Uchia.
Is its Madaras Son. Seeing as the 1st had offspring why not Madara and it would explain somewhat how he got the 1st Powers maybe the mother was a part of the 1st's clan!
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If he is madara why he waited for almost 100 years to take revenge on his clan. he is angry in his clanmate on that time but instead he choose to exile himself. and return home but not hurt his clan but challenge the 1st hokage.
-tobi myt has his reason on massacre but i still dont know what he is trying to achieve.
on tobi's lab there were collection of uchiha eyes. i think they were collected in uchiha incident. because he is craving to get shishui eyes.
i think when the kyuubi said "you". "you" seems too broad who could he referring to? but after saying his name he was genjutsu till tobi was gone. another dead end story who myt can reveal tobi is.
kyuubi seems knew about madara. he should be bec most of the tail beast were under control by 1st hokage. madara and 1st hokage always meet on the the battle field. i think thats the reason they knew madara.
even the person who has the ability of tracking power were not 100% accurate. i think kyuubi's tracking ability is the most powerful above all. and it proven when he was merge with naruto. that he can detect perfect copy of ninja, when byakugan doesnt.
what im trying to say even kyuubi can also be mistaken... he mistaken naruto as the sage of six path.
and lastly it myt also possible they(itachi and yondaime) can sense him as madara... because he always announcing that he wanted to complete madaras power... in any how or maybe tobi already gained small power of madara within tobi. thats why they sense him madara.
-zetsu has the access seeing tobi unmask any time he want... why this person was not calling him madara?
There is something weird between Tobi and Zetsu. Zetsu was one of the few that knew tobi's real identity, tobi kept telling people he is madara, everyone kept calling him madara after that, zetsu is the only one still calling him tobi, coincidence ?!?
why he hide is face? bec he is not madara =)
im not saying i am ryt but i just want to share myt thought who could be tobi is...and my number 1 spot is kagami O.OO.O
-sowi im not much good in explaining... and neither im not good in i want to tell. ill just post same picture and explain about my OPINION. just my opinion".
If he is madara why he waited for almost 100 years to take revenge on his clan. he is angry in his clanmate on that time but instead he choose to exile himself. and return home but not hurt his clan but challenge the 1st hokage.
-tobi myt has his reason on massacre but i still dont know what he is trying to achieve.
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even the person who has the ability of tracking power were not 100% accurate. i think kyuubi's tracking ability is the most powerful above all. and it proven when he was merge with naruto. that he can detect perfect copy of ninja, when byakugan doesnt.
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and lastly it myt also possible they(itachi and yondaime) can sense him as madara... because he always announcing that he wanted to complete madaras power... in any how or maybe tobi already gained small power of madara within tobi. thats why they sense him madara.
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-zetsu has the access seeing tobi unmask any time he want... why this person was not calling him madara?
There is something weird between Tobi and Zetsu. Zetsu was one of the few that knew tobi's real identity, tobi kept telling people he is madara, everyone kept calling him madara after that, zetsu is the only one still calling him tobi, coincidence ?!?
why he hide is face? bec he is not madara =)
im not saying i am ryt but i just want to share myt thought who could be tobi is...and my number 1 spot is kagami O.OO.O
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wow, pretty good theory.It is weird that kagami was missing from the picture, when the nine tailed attack, unless he of course was dead, already.He was close with danzo, which could explain about his wast amount of knowledge, and his desires to do all these crazy experiments. How did he get some of madara's powers(perhaps mind)? i wouldn't be surprised if oro had a hand in it,since he had a finger in everything(mad science genious). It would also explain why madara was a shell of his former self, he endured difficulties replicating all of madara's powers,and only got a few.Yes, there is a high possibilty,that he is madara, and the first hokage crippled him, thus the shelf comment, but if he isn't it could be that this is what happened.
i totally forgot about kagami, and i never looked at him twice, so the surprise factor in him being really madara is huge. Not saying there aren't some holes in this theory,but it is the best one, i have read out of all the wacky madara theories.
wow, pretty good theory.It is weird that kagami was missing from the picture, when the nine tailed attack, unless he of course was dead, already.He was close with danzo, which could explain about his wast amount of knowledge, and his desires to do all these crazy experiments. How did he get some of madara's powers(perhaps mind)? i wouldn't be surprised if oro had a hand in it,since he had a finger in everything(mad science genious). It would also explain why madara was a shell of his former self, he endured difficulties replicating all of madara's powers,and only got a few.Yes, there is a high possibilty,that he is madara, and the first hokage crippled him, thus the shelf comment, but if he isn't it could be that this is what happened.
i totally forgot about kagami, and i never looked at him twice, so the surprise factor in him being really madara is huge. Not saying there aren't some holes in this theory,but it is the best one, i have read out of all the wacky madara theories.
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i like your theory it could actually happen but dont u think that both of them being on the same team they would recognize each others voice so wen they met on that bridge danzo would have known it wasnt madara and it was kagami
i like your theory it could actually happen but dont u think that both of them being on the same team they would recognize each others voice so wen they met on that bridge danzo would have known it wasnt madara and it was kagami
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great thoery also it would explain how mandara/tobi knew about naruto's mom giving birth
if he was still a part of the leaf at that time
great thoery also it would explain how mandara/tobi knew about naruto's mom giving birth
if he was still a part of the leaf at that time
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Good theory I like it, we will have to just wait and see though, I think you might be right though cuz Kishi likes to throw tiny hints and then all of the sudden reveal and explain.
Good theory I like it, we will have to just wait and see though, I think you might be right though cuz Kishi likes to throw tiny hints and then all of the sudden reveal and explain.
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Great theory and I actually do agree with you.
Danzo wouldn't recognize his voice because they haven't been together for so long. Would you recognize a friend you haven't seen in 20 years by his voice?
The major problem however is that they would, even to a small extent, recognize his fighting style or techniques. He hasn't been in much action, but I think Danzo and co would know if their friend was prolific in space time jutsu - unless he learned it after they separated.
Must say though, the picture with all of the elders except for Danzo and Kagami is damning evidence - best I've seen so far.
Great theory and I actually do agree with you.
Danzo wouldn't recognize his voice because they haven't been together for so long. Would you recognize a friend you haven't seen in 20 years by his voice?
The major problem however is that they would, even to a small extent, recognize his fighting style or techniques. He hasn't been in much action, but I think Danzo and co would know if their friend was prolific in space time jutsu - unless he learned it after they separated.
Must say though, the picture with all of the elders except for Danzo and Kagami is damning evidence - best I've seen so far.
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Good theory pein and Itachi even admit to being used. So Itachi can be tricked so who's t say that it's really Madara.
Good theory pein and Itachi even admit to being used. So Itachi can be tricked so who's t say that it's really Madara.
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And wouldn't naruto just asking the kyuubi if it really is Madara work? Seeing as naruto now speaks with the kyuubi as normally as bee and the eight tails.
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tell me what do you think of this theory? check this out
I Believe I Have Found The Secrets Behind Madara And Zetsu!!
This is Only a theory, But if Zetsu is indeed Based on Yin and Yang as some believe, then we kinda are talking about two sides of the same coin!
In Which case, since the White Zetsu has the Ability to "Copy" an Opponents "Body" and Physical Chakra, the Black Zetsu could have some kind of "Recording" Ability, in other Words, the Black Zetsu can "Record" a Persons "Soul" and Spiritual Chakra!
If thats the Case, then Hashirama The First Hokage did actually Destroy Madaras Body as the legends foretold!, Madara Used the White Zetsu to Copy his Body and Physical Chakra, and He Used the Black Zetsu to Record and Save his Soul, a Vessel to inhabit!
BUT, i think Only "Half" Of Madaras Soul was Sealed within Black Zetsu!, the other half of his Soul was either Damaged by Hashirama, or is Sealed somewhere else in my Opinion!
This fits to Some Mysteries in the Manga, like....
1-This Explains why Madara hides half of his face by Wearing a Mask, Body and hands, you did Notice that he Wears Gloves on his hand!
2-This means that Beneath that Mask, on the left Side of his Body, He is Black Zetsu!!
3-Look at these Pages in the Manga
4-When Kabuto Summoned that last Coffin, it Was Madaras other half inside the Coffin!, Kabuto had Summoned Madaras Soul, the Other half, thats why madara couldnt refuse!, if madara fought himself, then he would only Damage and Weaken himself as it was said here in the Manga, look!
Madara said that if i fight right now, i will only weaken myself, thats why he couldnt refuse!!
5-Madara said to to the Kages that he wanted to be Complete!, Meaning his Soul Complete, aswell as his Body!, getting his other half back, kinda like kyuubi, and also Getting his Body and Power back by reviving Jubi, and Sealing it in himself!
6-Madara Said that he wanted to use Nagatos Jutsu Gedo Rinne Tensei "the Soul Revival Jutsu" for himself!, Which means he wants to Use it to get back the other half of his Soul!!
7-i believe the reason why he can use Senjus power is because he had white Zetsu Copy hashiramas chakra, and the man who believed was Dead and Killed by hashirama, was Actually white Zetsu!!
8-White Zetsu can both Drain and Copy, Black Zetsu can both Record and Consume, he Records Spiritual energy, and he Consumes human bodies!, Cuz we do know that Zetsu is a man eater!!
9-Madara could use the ability to walk through trees and under Ground, its Black Zetsus Ability!!
10-Do you remember Black Zetsu said that he "Recorded" Itachi and Sasukes fight?, it could be some kind of memory recording, or Genjutsu that uses Spiritual energy to record what he Sees with his eyes!, either way, this does mean that he has "Recording" abilities as i said!!
11-Since Black zetsu has madaras Spiritual Chakra, he can Use Izanagi!, Which is a Genjutsu! - left eye = Genjutsu.
"i dont know if white zetsu can copy kekkei genkai or not, but if not, then it could mean that madara implanted those eyes, it also kinda explains why madara has his right sharingan always activated!, cuz its not an uchiha body, like kakashi!!
so this could mean that kabuto also had madaras Original body inside that coffin, which madara desperately would want!!"
12-Madara Said that Izanagi is the Ability to turn Imagination into Reality!, here..
by using Yin that forms Imagination, and Yang that forms Life, He Created the Ultimate Yin and Yang Being, Zetsu!!, So6p Used it to Create the Bijuus!, and Since Madara can use a Perfect Izanagi, I Believe he Imagined Zetsu, and Created him!!, thats why hes so loyal and always by his side!!
13-when torune danzos man injured tobis hand, he cut it off like it was nothing, and it was white and without Blood!! - its because when it was cut off it returned to its original form - white Zetsu!!
14-Why Madara Is Immortal, I Believe its Because his kinda like Voldemort in harry potter, Voldemort used the horcruxes to Split his Soul, and that made him immortal!, Madara Split his Soul in two, which also makes him immortal!!, inorder to truly kill him, you have to Destroy both half of his Soul!!
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tell me what do you think of this theory? check this out
I Believe I Have Found The Secrets Behind Madara And Zetsu!!
This is Only a theory, But if Zetsu is indeed Based on Yin and Yang as some believe, then we kinda are talking about two sides of the same coin!
In Which case, since the White Zetsu has the Ability to "Copy" an Opponents "Body" and Physical Chakra, the Black Zetsu could have some kind of "Recording" Ability, in other Words, the Black Zetsu can "Record" a Persons "Soul" and Spiritual Chakra!
If thats the Case, then Hashirama The First Hokage did actually Destroy Madaras Body as the legends foretold!, Madara Used the White Zetsu to Copy his Body and Physical Chakra, and He Used the Black Zetsu to Record and Save his Soul, a Vessel to inhabit!
BUT, i think Only "Half" Of Madaras Soul was Sealed within Black Zetsu!, the other half of his Soul was either Damaged by Hashirama, or is Sealed somewhere else in my Opinion!
This fits to Some Mysteries in the Manga, like....
1-This Explains why Madara hides half of his face by Wearing a Mask, Body and hands, you did Notice that he Wears Gloves on his hand!
2-This means that Beneath that Mask, on the left Side of his Body, He is Black Zetsu!!
3-Look at these Pages in the Manga
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4-When Kabuto Summoned that last Coffin, it Was Madaras other half inside the Coffin!, Kabuto had Summoned Madaras Soul, the Other half, thats why madara couldnt refuse!, if madara fought himself, then he would only Damage and Weaken himself as it was said here in the Manga, look!
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Madara said that if i fight right now, i will only weaken myself, thats why he couldnt refuse!!
5-Madara said to to the Kages that he wanted to be Complete!, Meaning his Soul Complete, aswell as his Body!, getting his other half back, kinda like kyuubi, and also Getting his Body and Power back by reviving Jubi, and Sealing it in himself!
6-Madara Said that he wanted to use Nagatos Jutsu Gedo Rinne Tensei "the Soul Revival Jutsu" for himself!, Which means he wants to Use it to get back the other half of his Soul!!
7-i believe the reason why he can use Senjus power is because he had white Zetsu Copy hashiramas chakra, and the man who believed was Dead and Killed by hashirama, was Actually white Zetsu!!
8-White Zetsu can both Drain and Copy, Black Zetsu can both Record and Consume, he Records Spiritual energy, and he Consumes human bodies!, Cuz we do know that Zetsu is a man eater!!
9-Madara could use the ability to walk through trees and under Ground, its Black Zetsus Ability!!
10-Do you remember Black Zetsu said that he "Recorded" Itachi and Sasukes fight?, it could be some kind of memory recording, or Genjutsu that uses Spiritual energy to record what he Sees with his eyes!, either way, this does mean that he has "Recording" abilities as i said!!
11-Since Black zetsu has madaras Spiritual Chakra, he can Use Izanagi!, Which is a Genjutsu! - left eye = Genjutsu.
"i dont know if white zetsu can copy kekkei genkai or not, but if not, then it could mean that madara implanted those eyes, it also kinda explains why madara has his right sharingan always activated!, cuz its not an uchiha body, like kakashi!!
so this could mean that kabuto also had madaras Original body inside that coffin, which madara desperately would want!!"
12-Madara Said that Izanagi is the Ability to turn Imagination into Reality!, here..
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by using Yin that forms Imagination, and Yang that forms Life, He Created the Ultimate Yin and Yang Being, Zetsu!!, So6p Used it to Create the Bijuus!, and Since Madara can use a Perfect Izanagi, I Believe he Imagined Zetsu, and Created him!!, thats why hes so loyal and always by his side!!
13-when torune danzos man injured tobis hand, he cut it off like it was nothing, and it was white and without Blood!! - its because when it was cut off it returned to its original form - white Zetsu!!
14-Why Madara Is Immortal, I Believe its Because his kinda like Voldemort in harry potter, Voldemort used the horcruxes to Split his Soul, and that made him immortal!, Madara Split his Soul in two, which also makes him immortal!!, inorder to truly kill him, you have to Destroy both half of his Soul!!
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meeeeeh...i dont knoooooow :/ sounds about right but I'd hate to think kishi has us thinking madara is madara just to say its some uchiha we only got to see for about 2-3 pages
meeeeeh...i dont knoooooow :/ sounds about right but I'd hate to think kishi has us thinking madara is madara just to say its some uchiha we only got to see for about 2-3 pages
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Much better than all the other retarded Tobi=... theories, i'll give you that but still too many flaws. Like:
1. Why would Kagami uchiha have any interest in massacring the uchiha clan? Only the real Madara would want to do that, as he was betrayed by the Uchiha all those years ago. This just does'nt fit.
2. You mention the way Tobi knows about that Aburame guy as evidence. However, you seem to ignore a lot of other evidence of him being Madara.
Tobi describes that with such detail as if he had lived through all that, idk if he would have given such vivid descriptions of those events had he been kagami.
3. You asked Anub(who i agree with here) why Madara would wait 100 years to get revenge on his clan. The answer's simple: he had to wait for the right opportunity. He was a shell of his former self, he said so himself and so did Itachi:
He was weakened after losing to Hashirama, and was incapable of taking revenge on the uchiha or on konoha. He used the 9 tails like Itachi said, and how was he aware of the exact time when the seal was at its weakest?
Then when a once in a generation genius was born amongst the uchiha loyal to konoha at the expense of his own clan, what better oppurtunity for Madara to get his revenge by using the strength that Itachi has and he did'nt?
4. You say Kagami learned space time probly from the 2nd. No, that's impossible. Why? Tobi's space time was greater than both the 4th and the 2nd's:
There is a tendency for the younger generation in konoha to exceed the older and the 4th would probly have exceeded the 2nd yet Tobi's space time exceeds both? Does'nt make sense for him to be the 2nd hokage's student yet exceed him like that.
5. Danzo. He was abreast of a lot of things, and if he kept contactwith Oro and knew about izanagi, i don't see how he would'nt know his own age mate was the man behind the founding of Akatsuki.
6. To know all the secrets of the Mangekyuo plus the uchiha clan tech's etc it has to be read off the tablet in the uchiha shrine. Tobi knows all of them, but if he is'nt Madara how did he read it all as you'd need MS/EMS or even rinnegan? There would have been a murder in the uchiha clan had he awakened his mangekyuo, and that would never have escaped Danzo or the anbu's attention. Also, where would a 2nd hokage pupil and 3rd's generation kid get to know so much about the Sage of the 6 paths , the uchiha senju rivalry? Even if he did know somehow, would he the EVER accept Tobirama Senju to be his sensei?
That's why i disagree, lol^^.
Much better than all the other retarded Tobi=... theories, i'll give you that but still too many flaws. Like:
1. Why would Kagami uchiha have any interest in massacring the uchiha clan? Only the real Madara would want to do that, as he was betrayed by the Uchiha all those years ago. This just does'nt fit.
2. You mention the way Tobi knows about that Aburame guy as evidence. However, you seem to ignore a lot of other evidence of him being Madara.
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Tobi describes that with such detail as if he had lived through all that, idk if he would have given such vivid descriptions of those events had he been kagami.
3. You asked Anub(who i agree with here) why Madara would wait 100 years to get revenge on his clan. The answer's simple: he had to wait for the right opportunity. He was a shell of his former self, he said so himself and so did Itachi:
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Then when a once in a generation genius was born amongst the uchiha loyal to konoha at the expense of his own clan, what better oppurtunity for Madara to get his revenge by using the strength that Itachi has and he did'nt?
4. You say Kagami learned space time probly from the 2nd. No, that's impossible. Why? Tobi's space time was greater than both the 4th and the 2nd's:
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5. Danzo. He was abreast of a lot of things, and if he kept contactwith Oro and knew about izanagi, i don't see how he would'nt know his own age mate was the man behind the founding of Akatsuki.
6. To know all the secrets of the Mangekyuo plus the uchiha clan tech's etc it has to be read off the tablet in the uchiha shrine. Tobi knows all of them, but if he is'nt Madara how did he read it all as you'd need MS/EMS or even rinnegan? There would have been a murder in the uchiha clan had he awakened his mangekyuo, and that would never have escaped Danzo or the anbu's attention. Also, where would a 2nd hokage pupil and 3rd's generation kid get to know so much about the Sage of the 6 paths , the uchiha senju rivalry? Even if he did know somehow, would he the EVER accept Tobirama Senju to be his sensei?
That's why i disagree, lol^^.
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