[Discussion] Oda sometimes confuses me...especially when it comes to Benn Beckmann

[Fireplay]

So how are OP characters surviving lightspeed kicks, magma laced punches, Whitebeard's quakes, Colums of fire, point-blank lightning strikes, being frozen etc. Yet they get killed by mere bullets?

Ohh and the main point of this thread was to discuss Benn Beckmann...
Benn Beckmann's main weapon seems to be a rifle. This is odd to me because

1. He was pointing it at Kizaru and threatening him
2. Its a rifle...

Now we've seen how OP characters deal with bullets. Luffy and Zoro have been shown casually dodging bullets, Luffy can even do it point-blank. Benn Beckmann who is the first mate of a Yonko is wielding a rifle though and was aiming it at Kizaru, someone who is miles faster then Luffy and Zoro who can casually dodge bullets point blank.

So how is Beckmann ever actually gonna hit anyone with those bullets if even Luffy and Zoro can dodge them? And you might say "well, they're Haki laced" Haki only makes them more powerful it doesn't make them faster as far as we know.

Oda stated that Benn Beckmann has the highest IQ in all of East Blue. I doubt someone as smart as him would aim his rifle at someone as fast as Kizaru knowing that he has no chance of hitting him.

 

[Frankenstein]

Well since he is supposed to be so smart most probably he did have a chance to hit Kizaru. Somehow. There hasn't been an explanation for his powers so far so we can't just assume that he is just shooting his pistol like Dirty Harry or something.

 

[UltimateHawk]

I am confused too.But the most bs thing that i've seen from oda was akainu surviving that whitebeard PUNCH!

 

[Sirius Black]

Well that just explains how strong shank's crew is.

 

[Red Swag]

beckman probably is the observation haki monster as shanks to conquerors. beckman probably knows where and when will kizaru land ... thats why

im more confused about kizaru. was he really scared or just trolling... he attacked afterwards doe.

 

[Anduril]

The rifle was just an indication, that beckman was serious. Also we have seen whitebeards commanders use a gun and so does Van auger. I think it is more about who fires the gun and so on..

 

[Waindo]

He is just an observation Haki master imo. Like Aesopp. Though probably not better than current Usopp, which has the best observation haki in the series atm.

 

[Fireplay]

The rifle was just an indication, that beckman was serious. Also we have seen whitebeards commanders use a gun and so does Van auger. I think it is more about who fires the gun and so on..

Thats not the point though. It doesn't matter who is wielding the gun, the bullets still travel at the same speed.

Give chopper a pistol and let him shoot.
Now give Whitebeard a pistol.
Then give it to Beckmann.

The bullet will always travel at the same speed. So why does Beckmann think he can hit Kizaru with it when Luffy can dodge it casually?

Also, if Beckmann's primary weapon really is that rifle then how does he manage to hit NW pirates or any top-tier with those bullets?

 

[Waindo]

He is just an observation Haki master imo. Like Aesopp. Though probably not better than current Usopp, which has the best observation haki in the series atm.

There's your answer...

 

[Anduril]

Thats not the point though. It doesn't matter who is wielding the gun, the bullets still travel at the same speed.

Give chopper a pistol and let him shoot.
Now give Whitebeard a pistol.
Then give it to Beckmann.

The bullet will always travel at the same speed. So why does Beckmann think he can hit Kizaru with it when Luffy can dodge it casually?

Also, if Beckmann's primary weapon really is that rifle then how does he manage to hit NW pirates or any top-tier with those bullets?

I get your point about the speed of the bullet being the same. But as I said there is a WB commander who was using guns. If they would have been ineffective why would they have used them. I think we need to understand the Kenbunshoku haki first to unravel this mystery. Apparently you can see the aura of people if you really concentrate lol

 

[Punk Hazard]

The rifle was just an indication, that beckman was serious. Also we have seen whitebeards commanders use a gun and so does Van auger. I think it is more about who fires the gun and so on..

A gun is only gonna be as strong and as fast as the gun is. Put that same gun in Zoro's hand, and it'll have the same strength and speed if you take Haki out of it.

I'm assuming Haki can increase the speed and strength.

 

[Anduril]

A gun is only gonna be as strong and as fast as the gun is. Put that same gun in Zoro's hand, and it'll have the same strength and speed if you take Haki out of it.

I'm assuming Haki can increase the speed and strength.

Again. Its not about the speed of the gun as it is about the skill of the gunner. Why zoro or chopper would not have been able to hit spandam on enies lobby only Usopp could have. Similarly any other gunner would not have been able to hit Kizaru but beckman would have.
You only need to make some calculations with respect to your opponent and you can hit anyone.

 

[NarutoBmx33]

1. He's probably a master gunner.
2. His bullets are special, made of seastone?
3. He infuses haki into his bullets to increase the attack and speed.

 

[dms_kakashi]

Thats not the point though. It doesn't matter who is wielding the gun, the bullets still travel at the same speed.

Give chopper a pistol and let him shoot.
Now give Whitebeard a pistol.
Then give it to Beckmann.

The bullet will always travel at the same speed. So why does Beckmann think he can hit Kizaru with it when Luffy can dodge it casually?

Also, if Beckmann's primary weapon really is that rifle then how does he manage to hit NW pirates or any top-tier with those bullets?

What about sword?
Same may be for gun.

 

[Punk Hazard]

What about sword?
Same may be for gun.

That's completely different. The amount of damage that a sword can do is dependent on both the strength of the sword and the strength of the user. A sword in one person's hands could be stronger in another. That's not the case with a gun. Unless you're infusing Haki, a gun in Zoro's hand is gonna be just as strong as a gun in Chopper's or Beckman's.

 

[Love Cook]

Maybe Ben has a devil fruit, which makes him with a gun a whole lot more dangerous than a normal guy ?

What's to say about this now, we know nothing about him. It could be anything at this point.

 

[jiraiya lives]

1. he probably laces the gun powder with haki in a way that when it explodes and fires it sends the projectile at an increased speed.

2. Or Beckman could be a fruit users and or his gun has ate a fruit

3. maybe he's able to do something like this

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4. observation haki, Beckman has a df ability that homes in on the target plus sea stone bullets = a nightmare

5. Maybe Beckmans gun was the original eater of the gravity fruit but Fujitora destroyed beckman gun and gave the fruit to his sword. XD

 

[ultraChalk]

Of all the things OP characters can tank, nobody except probably WB (especially a DF user) can tank a bullet to the head. That would have been deadly.

 

[Hexuze]

Well, only Luffy survived Kizaru's kicks. I want Oda to explain Kizaru's DF fully but I'm afraid we won't get that for a long time from now. Anyways, staying on topic. Yes, his bullets are probably infused with Haki (CoA) when he shoots them but to counter people that are really fast, he uses CoO. Like you said before, he had the highest IQ in east blue at one point so I doubt he'll use a rifle as his main weapon with only CoA especially in a place like the NW. I'm sure Kizaru was more scared of his CoO than his CoA, since he can predict his movements like Rayleigh did.

 

[VongolaX]

How about Benn Beck is so smart, he wouldn't show up in the marineford without sea prism bullets.

His armors Haki will increase the speed of the bullet being discharged like Rayleigh did when escorting Luffy towards the bell.