[Discussion] Oda needs to take his head out of Zoro's green a....

[Bogard]

I mean, Barto's barrier could tank the full King Punch, but Bart himself said he could in no way block Pica's punch. The same hand that was destroyed by just part of a King Punch, and a horn drill from a man who hadn't used it since he still had his youthful black hair. I think it was 20-30 years ago.

Bart was talking about a size problem. He can't make a barrier that big to protect them all. It had nothing to do with the barrier's tanking capability, but the size:

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And King Punch didn't destroy the arm alone. Let's not forget Chinjao's ice continent splitting participated

And yes Luffy could pushed 2 Buildings after a long time of struggle preskip, but like i've said even buildings are invisible on the golem's arm. We're talking about comparable scale here. It's not even close

To assume Vergo doesn't have such s destructive force, when we've seen people of a similar physical structure do more, is debatable.

Once again you're terribly underestimating the size of the golem. Like i've said even large buildings were like ant on it. Vergo never displayed such a DC

Pica's attack is basically like a massive moving building.

Exactly what i'm saying. No, buildings are shit compared to Pica which is more comparable to a mountain. Look again this picture and you're realise multiple buildings fit in it:

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We already saw Sanji kick an entire building at Moriah in Thriller bark. Hence why I made the point. Going by Shonen logic, Vergo > Chinjao/Elizabello II. He's overall power should be higher than theirs. So I'd wager his physical strength is at a level to where he could destroy stones through punching them. Or if not, would simply tank it with Haki.

Except we're not in a building level scaling here once again. Vergo can't do shit to the golem with the level of DC he displayed. Vergo likely is stronger than Chinjao(not even sure), but he(like Elisabello) possess far greater DC than him

 

[Love Cook]

Bart was talking about a size problem. He can't make a barrier that big to protect them all. It had nothing to do with the barrier's tanking capability, but the size:

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And King Punch didn't destroy the arm alone. Let's not forget Chinjao's ice continent splitting participated

And yes Luffy could pushed 2 Buildings after a long time of struggle preskip, but like i've said even buildings are invisible on the golem's arm. We're talking about comparable scale here. It's not even close
Once again you're terribly underestimating the size of the golem. Like i've said even large buildings were like ant on it. Vergo never displayed such a DC

Exactly what i'm saying. No, buildings are shit compared to Pica which is more comparable to a mountain. Look again this picture and you're realise multiple buildings fit in it:

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Except we're not in a building level scaling here once again. Vergo can't do shit to the golem with the level of DC he displayed. Vergo likely is stronger than Chinjao(not even sure), but he(like Elisabello) possess far greater DC than him

What business does Vergo have with the Golem in the first place, he knows Pica and his tricks he probably knows how locate him better than Zoro did. And if he doesn't know it only took Zoro a short while to figure it out. Vergo has way better defense and probably better speed with his soru and geppou.

So Vergo can just go for the actual body like Zoro did, and he is more than capable to take it down.

Also Vergo is pretty destructive, look at his blowdart attack for instance.

 

[KGB Kakuzu]

Bart was talking about a size problem. He can't make a barrier that big to protect them all. It had nothing to do with the barrier's tanking capability, but the size:

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And King Punch didn't destroy the arm alone. Let's not forget Chinjao's ice continent splitting participated

And yes Luffy could pushed 2 Buildings after a long time of struggle preskip, but like i've said even buildings are invisible on the golem's arm. We're talking about comparable scale here. It's not even close
Once again you're terribly underestimating the size of the golem. Like i've said even large buildings were like ant on it. Vergo never displayed such a DC

Exactly what i'm saying. No, buildings are shit compared to Pica which is more comparable to a mountain. Look again this picture and you're realise multiple buildings fit in it:

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Except we're not in a building level scaling here once again. Vergo can't do shit to the golem with the level of DC he displayed. Vergo likely is stronger than Chinjao(not even sure), but he(like Elisabello) possess far greater DC than him

ok he was, but HOW is it a size problem. He just has to make a barrier while the bus bees fly Rebecca and Robin behind Barto or behind him overall. When the punch goes, it'd hit the barrier first. Meaning that whatever size barrier he makes should be enough to protect what's directly in front of him. Even if the result is creating a hole in one spot as tbe rest of the fist continues around the barrier.

In the end, Barto said they'd all die. Suggesting his barrier is weaker than Pica's punch. Which makes no sense. Elizabello didn't even use a full King Punch. Yet he and Chinjao could break the entire arm. Not just stop the fist (which when you compare the fist size in that last link, is vertically the height of a building drawn on the panel.

Luffy, who's body was contorted, could push out two buildings. And now he's FAR stronger. So really, Vergo should have the destructive force, or ability to chain enough lower Destructive force over time, to match what Elizabello and Chinjao did.

But regardless, between his speed and knowledge, it doesn't matter like Love Cook said.

 

[Zorø]

I just hope he holds his own against her crew, that way he has some feats either rivalling or surpassing Zoros post skip. (I know Zoro is stronger, just saying Sanji needs some good 'press' I guess you could say xD )

Bro sanji will never surpass Zoro XD.

 

[shon93]

I agree with this thread..its so blatantly obvious Zoro is Oda's favorite SH. Its like only Zoro is immune to struggling on the crew. Meanwhile he shits on Luffy and Sanji everytime he gets. Last chapter to me was pure fan service because I don't feel Zoro should be able to one shot the right hand man of the second strongest warlord..meanwhile people like Hordy is biting through Luffy's Haki and Sanji is breaking his leg on Vergo

And I no a tard would say "Oh well he trained with Mihawk"..I don't care if he trained with Gol D Roger in space for 2 years this is illogical and its pure fan service and I understand where this guy is coming from. Oda is messing up the crew balance just to make Zoro look like God

Let me show you how hard this biase is..if Fujitora was standing in front of Sanji. Oda would have had Sanji get his ass kicked. But because it the legendary Zoro and he doesn't want Zoro to get destroyed. He lets Fujitora run away and on the second encounter he lets Fujitora ignore Zoro completely ..even after he tells the fodder marines to move out the way and let him handle it

 

[Hexuze]

Don't worry this is the second island the SH's have been to since they arrived to the NW. Zoro will get a nice spanking at Wano. <3

 

[Dr Strangelove]

Bro sanji will never surpass Zoro XD.

Please point out where I said Sanji will surpass Zoro.
If you look closely I said feats surpassing Zoro then followed it up by saying I know Zoro is stronger :|

 

[A v i]

Hum, He went against Fujitora on more than one occasion, Fought Hody (weaker than what Luffy faced)and neg diffed him under water,even Luffy faced a fodder like caesar clown at PH so I see no problem with Zoro facing Monet and he actually did far better than what Luffy did against her.

Oda is saving the best (Luffy and Zoro) for the last.

Please point out where I said Sanji will surpass Zoro.
If you look closely I said feats surpassing Zoro then followed it up by saying I know Zoro is stronger :|

It'll be same as Zoro having better feats than Luffy which isn't logical and fair. Thought I agree with your point, Sanji deserves some badass movements.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

I agree, Zoro is one of the worst character in One Piece.

 

[Dr Strangelove]

It'll be same as Zoro having better feats than Luffy which isn't logical and fair. Thought I agree with your point, Sanji deserves some badass movements.

Luffy has better feats than most top tier characters so...

 

[Schwarzen Blitz]

you forgot zoro one-shotting hody(before full buff-drugs) underwater

LOL, so true

Pica and Vergo are basically at the same Level lmaoo I love it im a Zoro fan you mus like Sanji him getting 1 shotted against Vergo almost breaking his leg.

I think he is making Zoro look hella strong just to get one shotted in Wano country you know because the samurais there crushing his pride i guess im absolutely 100% Wano will be about Zoro

Didn't zoro vow to never lose again? Or something like that?

How is Zoro vs Pica not equal to Sanji vs Vergo? Pica, without a shred of doubt, trumps Vergo. It's just bad luck for Pica that he had to fight against Zoro, not the other way around.

I've said this in the Pika/vergo thread earlier, but I think that Vergo is stronger than Pika 1 on 1. Pika can cause a lot of mass destruction and he can fight on a huge scale, but 1 on 1 my money would be on vergo trumping over pika.

Also, sanji was trying to stall vergo more than fight him seriously, at least imo.... he was stalling so the g-5 marines could make it to the next section without being taken over by the gas....

Also, If anything, Zoro is lucky that he had luffy there to point out where Pika's real body is... Zoro has such a shitty sense of direction and location that he probs would have never found out Pika's real body... Meaning zoro would have been tired out eventually by Pika..... this is just my opinion again though... Before Luffy exposed pika's real body, I thought that Zoro was just gonna randomly walk down some alley and see pika's real body.... "Oh! Found you!"

 

[minato93]

The other problem is it generates a ludicrous power gap between mid-and monster trio. The way they've been writing Brook, Franky, and Robin basically has so far shown them to be around the level of Executives. But now the M3 is low riffing the Top Executives?! I mean what is literally the point of bringing along the rest if the crew when 90% of it can't even handle part of an enemy group. More so, how could Law POSSIBLY have factored a 30% win chance with Kaido. Since Kaido has his own executives, who now should THRASH everything Doflamingo has while he trashes Doflamingo. Leaving the M3, and Law to fight the ENTIRETY of Kaido's elite. Because the rest of the crew would be screwed fighting the fodder given they can't take the basic of Doffy's crew.

In OP, a crew is only as strong as it's strongest fighters. IMO, I think the major power gap is to be expected. Whitebeard's crew had major power gaps. From Whitebeard (power gap) Whitebeard's top 4 strongest commanders (power gap) rest of crew.

Look at the Marines. Admirals (Freakingly huge power gap) Vice Admirals.

There will be a gap.
Luffy (power gap) Monster 3 -- Zoro Sanji NewMember--- (power gap) rest of crew.....

I expected this from the beginning.......

Honestly Mihawk raping Zoro in East blue has trumped every New World moment Zoro has had. Simply becsuse the impact and emotion behind it was thst much more meaningful.

It's because of that moment that Zoro will never get the Sanji treatment. He must never losein a straight up battle, especially now after that Mihawk training.

 

[Red Swag]

sanji vs dd and vergo... those arnt fights. those are scuffle.

hody is fodder.

 

[TheHokage]

sanji vs dd and vergo... those arnt fights. those are scuffle.

hody is fodder.

Sanji was clearly the weaker fighter in both of those scuffles...

 

[ultraChalk]

Upon reading this post you are now aware that Zoro has green ass hairs

 

[Fireplay]

Upon reading this post you are now aware that Zoro has green ass hairs

Wasn't it obvious? Lol

 

[Mephew D Kensei]

The way Zoro has been done is in a way a bit bland for sure but im not sold on Pica is down for the count.

On the one shot thing well its kinda been zoro's thing really only difference is most of the time he is beat up a lot before he administers the only attack to actually connect or affrct the enemy since the fight began so the only difference is now he isnt getting beat up before the badass moments begin(maybe sm1 left him in constant badass mode setting).

Good times arr coming just wait we soon get our bloodied up Zoro who even in that state still finds it in himself to b condescending and patronising to his opponent.