[ Objective view ]Overrated Double MS Obito and Itachi wielding Yata and Totsuka

[KCMNaruto]

Hello guys, I would like to about Extent of Double MS Obito. Capabitility of Double MS Obito and how he could battle Kaguya, Madara, Naruto, Sasuke, SM Hashirama.

Extent of Double MS Obito:

Close range Kamui: I believed that due to double kamui abilties, Kamui's warping speed should be doubled however after discussing with some well-knowledgable and clever memebers I came to conclusion that it doesn't work like that, so Imo Kamui preserves same speed.

Long range Kamui: Again, no change but same speed.

Intangibility: The most haxxed ability which allow Obito to send parts of his bodies to other dimenssion. However intangible Obito can not affect reality, use any attack as he has to become solid to warp someone and this is my main argument against Obito staying intangible and warping someone's head/neck from distance. In theory it would be enough for Obito make his eye stay tangible while rest body intangible to execute Kamui, yet it has never worked, so he can not - MANGA FACT.

Now, let's see how Obito and Itachi could fight against following opponents:

1)Against Kaguya:

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Obito: Long range Kamui is useless as Kaguya has insane regeneration as Madara had. Also she can enter portal to Obito from behind while staying face to face with him from distance. Close range Kamui is again useless as Kaguya can jump even faster then Kamui or at least at the same speed. Intangibility would only prolong this battle forcing Kaguya to leave this dimenssion and make "World" collapse/attack Obito so he would has nowhere to escape after 5 minutes. Besides Kaguya is too fast so she could finish him before Obito would blink.

Itachi: Kaguya can enter portal and send any attack or even use punch kick and open portal behind Itachi to make attack connect with him or her punch/kick. Itachi can not notice it so he won't make Yata extend in time. Itachi has not good stamina so he doesn'tt last long as Kaguya can literally make World attack him. The only chance Itachi has if he attack with Totsuka hoping to hit her, but Kaguya always can open portal and send Totsuka blade back at Itachi.

Result: gg Obito,Itachi.

2)Against Jinchurki Madara:

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Obito: Long range Kamui is useless as Madara has insane regeneration . Also Madara can use Rinbo Hengoku to tank/stop Obito's warp of his neck/head. Close range Kamui either is blocked by Rinbo hengoku or Madara just dodge and counter with his overhelming speed. Intangibility would only prolong this battle forcing Madara to use very fast attacks or spam Tbb. Besides there is always possibility for Madara to shield himself with TSB or use TSB to attack Obito suddenly.

Itachi: Madara is too fast for Itachi to notice attack comming so he won't make Yata extend in time.
Itachi has not good stamina so he doesn't last long as Madara can attack Itachi with TSB from all directions. The only chance Itachi has if he attack with Totsuka hoping to hit him, but Madara can always use Rinbo Hengoku to block Totsuka's slash/thrust.

Result: gg Obito,Itachi.

3)Against Current Naruto:

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Obito: Long range Kamui is useless as Naruto can easily sense chakra buildup in Obito's eye and dodge even from quite close range . Naruto can also use steam release of five tails or shrouded himself behind mist to stop Obito from warping his neck/head. Close range Kamui takes too much time as Naruto is too fast and also he can use TSB to force Obito to stop warpping. Intangibility would only prolong this battle forcing Naruto to use very fast attacks or spam Tbb. Besides there is always possibility for Naruto to shield himself with TSB or use TSB to attack Obito suddenly.

Itachi: Naruto is too fast for Itachi to notice attack comming so he won't make Yata extend in time.
Itachi has not good stamina so he doesn't last long as Naruto can attack Itachi with TSB from all directions. The only chance Itachi has if he attack with Totsuka hoping to hit him, but Naruto can always use shield himself with TSB and it is uknown if Totsuka's slash/thrust can pierce it.

Result: gg Obito,Itachi.

4)Against Current Sasuke:

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Obito: Long range Kamui is useless as Sasuke can easily swap places with Obito make Obito snipe himself. Sasuke can also form Blaze release in any shape to shield himself to stop Obito from warping his neck/head. Close range Kamui takes too much time as Sasuke is too fast and also he can use Blaze release or chidori nagashi Hagoromo's chaka enhanced to force Obito to stop warpping. Intangibility would only prolong this battle forcing Sasuke to use very fast attacks or spam Blaze release/ Sussano arrows. Besides there is always possibility for Sasuke to shield himself with Perfect Sussano.

Itachi: Sasuke is too fast for Itachi to notice attack comming so he won't make Yata extend in time.
Itachi has not good stamina so he doesn't last long as Sasuke can teleport behind Itachi to attack him from behind. The only chance Itachi has if he attack with Totsuka hoping to hit him, but Sasuke can always swap place with Itachi make Itachi pierce himself with use of Totsuka.

Result: gg Obito,Itachi.

5)Against SM Hashirama:

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Obito: Long range Kamui is dangerous and can be lethal but Hashirama can always create Wall made of wood or something like that to seperate himself from Obito. SM Hashirama sense chakra build up in Obito's eye to react properly and counter, send wood dragon to follow him. Close range Kamui warp is dangerous as well but Hashirama can easily use wood release clone to distract Obito and save himself. Hashirama can also use massive wood release attack to interrupt Obito or force him to cancel. Intangibility is pain in ass for Hashirama, although he has easy counter involving sleeping pollen spread around Making Obito sleep at any moment after stopping intangibility. SM Hashirama can always summon buddha and Obito will be unable to escape from range of buddha attacks.

Itachi: Sasuke is too fast for Itachi to notice attack comming so he won't make Yata extend in time.
Itachi has not good stamina so he doesn't last long as Sasuke can teleport behind Itachi to attack him from behind. The only chance Itachi has if he attack with Totsuka hoping to hit him, but Sasuke can always swap place with Itachi make Itachi pierce himself with use of Totsuka.

Result: gg Obito,Itachi.

Summary: Obito has no way to win against Four characters mentioned. Itachi can only win if Totsuka blade connect with opponent and pierce through him/her. Main issue is that Kaguya, Madara, Naruto, Sasuke all of them have one shot attack and ARE FAST ENOUGH TO LAND THAT ATTACK ON OBITO OR ITACHI.

Honorable characters: Hagoromo Ootsutsuki, Hamura Ootsutsuki, Ashura, Indra, Rinnegan Madara(one, two eyes with/without SM)

Thanks for reading !

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[Madara Uzumaki Uchiha]

Obito is #3 strongest living individual on the good guys side.

+ he has incredibly useful hax.

Obito's uses go further than pure
Combat.

- also, double ms obito
Isnot the strongest. Rinnegan obito with edo
Jinks is stronger, as is juubi jink obito.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Obito is #3 strongest living individual on the good guys side.

+ he has incredibly useful hax.

Obito's uses go further than pure
Combat.

- also, double ms obito
Isnot the strongest. Rinnegan obito with edo
Jinks is stronger, as is juubi jink obito.

Totally agree

 

[Uchiha Kamuidara]

if kishi was reading this, he'd totally suprise u guys in d nxt manga chap. Double MS Obito >> your fav

 

[LuckyMan]

You made this for nothing. Anyone with a brain of a dinosaur size would know Obito and Itachi loses to all 4 of those characters plus several others.

 

[Jimihendrix]

didn't read, but double MS Obito can beat everyone bar Kaguya, Juubi Madz, Naruto, Sasuke, and 8th Gat Gai.

Yes, he beats SM Hashi.

Apart from the gods, no one should be able to beat him 1v1, for crying out loud it took Kakashi, Gai, Naruto, and Bee working together to just break his mask. And he didn't even have his long range kamui snipe.

Double MS Obito is OP, just accept it

 

[Jimihendrix]

Double MS Obito is more haxxed than his Juubi form.

There, I said it.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

You're incorrect on the notion that obito can't snipe while remaining intangible. Since his intangibility comes from one eye while the snipe comes from the other he can use both at once much like sasuke uses both for ama and enton.
Not to mention gaining susanno.

 

[NeutralChaos]

You're incorrect on the notion that obito can't snipe while remaining intangible. Since his intangibility comes from one eye while the snipe comes from the other he can use both at once much like sasuke uses both for ama and enton.
Not to mention gaining susanno.

Susano'o is a rarity that only occurs in the mangekyou sharingan of brothers who can use Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Susano'o is a rarity that only occurs in the mangekyou sharingan of brothers who can use Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi.

False. Sasuke doesn't have tsukuyomi and madara has neither tsukuyomi or amaterasu.

 

[VongolaX]

Double ms Obito relies on his uchiha powers

But when facing someone as powerful as a juubi jinchuuriki and up

He doesn't spam kamui

Why don't you go ahead and list the other set of justus?

Note: All your retorts on how to stop Kamui is weak

No one can use clones to hit Obito's dimension body unless Kakashi warps you or himself.

Example: Danzo's guards, look at the fight carefully.

No slip ups (purely fanfic otherwise throw away your shinobi badge)

No trickery unless your black zetsu

No pressure build up bullsh*t

Kcm naruto wasn't able to sense Obito when he appeared behind him.

Only Amatersu gives off pressure

 

[KCMNaruto]

Double ms Obito relies on his uchiha powers

But when facing someone as powerful as a juubi jinchuuriki and up

He doesn't spam kamui

Why don't you go ahead and list the other set of justus?

Note: All your retorts on how to stop Kamui is weak

No one can use clones to hit Obito's dimension body unless Kakashi warps you or himself.

Example: Danzo's guards, look at the fight carefully.

No slip ups (purely fanfic otherwise throw away your shinobi badge)

No trickery unless your black zetsu

No pressure build up bullsh*t

Kcm naruto wasn't able to sense Obito when he appeared behind him.

Only Amatersu gives off pressure

First, other techniques of Obito could be ineffective against characters enumerated by me.

Second, I have never said that Clones could hit Obito while he use intangibility but there is nothing which stops him from following after him and attacing when he attacks.

Third, KCM Naruto had only negative emotions sensing, no chakra Sensing ability given only to him by Sage mode, now Senjutsu powers so sorry but your point was invalid.

Kakashi has not just once but more times stated that he had to build up his chakra to use Kamui. Even if original wiedler as Obito with mastery over Kamui would launch Kamui's snipe almost instantly then still god tiers/demi-god tiers can sense this one second build up before executing technique.

Anyway Double MS Obito is trully formidable, even if SM Hashirama could still beat him then at least he would match EMS Madara. However due to Senjuu DNA Obito can rival or barerly surprass SM Hashirama. SM Rinnegan Madara beats him.

Imo, I wonder how powerfull could be EMS Obito with Senjuu DNA... or maybe Rinnegan Obito with his original eyes turning into Rinnegan... I believe he could be around Rinnegan Madara's level, maybe a little below. However Ten tails hosts, Ootsutuski's family or Hagoromo's powered Naruto adn Sasuke still would win.