Obito's S/T Ability Re-analyzed

[synkross]

So, ever since i heard kakashi's explanation of Obito's S/T jutsu....i wanted to make this thread.
now don't get me worng here....i'm a big fan of both Kakashi and Obito xd

Now there can only be three possibilities:
1.Either Obito is OP as hell (literally invincible).
2.Or Kakashi's analysis is wrong and the jutsu doesn't work this way.
3.Or (our very favourite)I am wrong and didn't understand it.

Here we go...
Kakashi stated (Ch:597) that Obito can not go transparent

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....meaning the parts of his body that you can see...they are there in the real world and when you try to hit him...that particular part of his body goes into the other dimension....meaning that the rest of his body stays in the real world and is touchable(if he doesn't phase other parts as well) so he can be partly in the real world and partly in the dimension at the same time.

Now, we know Obito's obsorbing ability works with touching and he can also phase the things that he touches(eg. like when he was carrying sasuke and raikage went through him,his clothes etc) and since kakashi said that the phasing and absorbing are the same techniques......meaning that he can phase and absorb at the same time.
also that he can attack(with bodyparts in real world) and phase some body parts at the same time.
if you can understand this ability......it is OP as hell....

i will give you can example:

suppose a guy punches tobi in the face and tobi also punches him at the same time......now according to kakashi's explanation, tobi sould be able to phase his head to other dimension and can still hit the guy with his arm that is in real world.....also meaning that he could touch his face and absorb him at the same time......LOLz

Now if we go with kakashi's explanation.....lets look at this

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here when tobi was about to touch naruto to absorb him.....(in theory) he could've just phased the rest of his body to go through kakashi and guy's attacks and still absorb naruto(or hit him) by keeping his hand in the real world......but that wasn't the case..... cuz when he phases, he phases his entire body and not just a bodypart (leading me to believe that kakashi's explanation was wrong)

well, like i said there can only be one of the three cases...Tobi is OP , kakashi is wrong or i'm high on the doze lolz

(Note:This is my 1st thread after the hello hi thread i think so plz be gentle....i could be wrong)
*don't judge me by my sig

 

[-Carnage-]

ive been thinking that too...+rep for effort

 

[Scooby Doo]

I think if he uses the technique , it doesn'T matter if he phases a body part or the whole body, he cannot warp at the same time.That's all to it.:shrug:Maybe I'm wrong

 

[synkross]

I think if he uses the technique , it doesn'T matter if he phases a body part or the whole body, he cannot warp at the same time.That's all to it.:shrug:Maybe I'm wrong

Actually, according to kakashi there is no such thing as phasing.....so when you say that Obito phased his head or arm it means that he warped his head and arm into the other dimension.......meaning that he can warp multiple objects....so he should be able to phase and warp at the same time cuz phasing is warping actually

 

[Scooby Doo]

Actually, according to kakashi there is no such thing as phasing.....so when you say that Obito phased his head or arm it means that he warped his head and arm into the other dimension.......meaning that he can warp multiple objects....so he should be able to phase and warp at the same time cuz phasing is warping actually

Yeah I meant warping by phasing:shrug:

 

[Bogard]

I thought almost the same recently, but forgot about the part where Naruto was saved by Kakashi. But maybe he could not have done it simply because Kakashi was already around, so he could have intercept him or punch him at the moment he wants to warp Naruto. Remember that on the pic you're showing, he already touched Naruto at that moment, so if Obito really continued to warp Naruto, Kakashi could have react and punch him at that moment

 

[FizzyDrink]

I do believe you are somewhat wrong. Yes they are the same jutsu. But that doesn't mean he can use it at the same time. The problem with your analysis is that you are continuing to treat the two as though they are still different jutsu, which we now know isn't true.

So basically his ability is to warp himself or nearby objects away. He cannot do them at the same time because then he would be using the same jutsu twice at the same time. I'm fairly certain he can only use it once at a time. So he is either warping himself, or warping something else, but he cannot do them simultaneously.

However, the other implication you make is that he can have part of himself in one dimension and continue fighting with others in the real world. I am guessing that when he is using his jutsu on himself, anything that comes in contact with him (or that he comes in contact with), the part of him that is touched gets warped away. That makes the most sense based on what we've seen.

 

[synkross]

I do believe you are somewhat wrong. Yes they are the same jutsu. But that doesn't mean he can use it at the same time. The problem with your analysis is that you are continuing to treat the two as though they are still different jutsu, which we now know isn't true.

So basically his ability is to warp himself or nearby objects away. He cannot do them at the same time because then he would be using the same jutsu twice at the same time. I'm fairly certain he can only use it once at a time. So he is either warping himself, or warping something else, but he cannot do them simultaneously.

However, the other implication you make is that he can have part of himself in one dimension and continue fighting with others in the real world. I am guessing that when he is using his jutsu on himself, anything that comes in contact with him (or that he comes in contact with), the part of him that is touched gets warped away. That makes the most sense based on what we've seen.

At bolded,wrong statement He can warp multiple Objects at the same time....this has been proved by manga

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here he wraped himself and sasuke at the same time......so using the jutsu on himself and sasuke at the same time....
also wrong at the second bolded line....this statement has no basis cuz when tobi has wraped that part of the body, it can't be touched or overlapped cuz its not there at all so warping with an already phased part is not possible....he can still fight and warp with the bodyparts present in real world.

 

[Razen]

Oh kishi i am disapointed. Konan says that he needs to be solid to take other people or objects to another dimension, and we can see that when tobi fights minato. So when the raikage goes through him and sasuke it's a big fail.