Obito's Kamui isn't inferior to FTG

[Ahmed1993]

he tried to teleport him twice and failed
no guaranties he'd be able to

Obito always shown a little delay when teleporting someone
much later on Konan almost killed him because of that... did that Obito also lacked experience?!?!? nope

FTG is instant. Kamui is almost instant... it doesn't matter how much experience he has, that delay will always come bite in the ass when going up against FTG.

She had a trap for him.
Also teleporting someone or the user's full body = phasing ( which is putting part of the body in the kamui dimension )

If its gonna be a no end debate , then i quit , i get bored easily and i hate long debates , ciao.

 

[Voidstep]

Against Naruto he had problem with his 2T , when he got the 3T , he was able to dodge him easily but when Naruto went 1 tail , Sasuke had problems even with his 3T

Then in the NG , he was able to predict and dodge Bee 6 tails movements. ( with 3T not MS)
Same thing against Raikage V1

And since when MS enhance Sharingan's perception and pre cognition ?

Nobody can teleport but , Naruto KCM is as fast as Minato ( shown against the Raikage )
Naruto BM is obviously faster.
Gai has gates.
Kakashi has Kamui

And we missed a large part of that fight because of the Kabuto fight.

Read the Manga before posting , i don't have time to re tell what happened in the manga.

you're the one that continuously keep comparing 2T to 3T to MS and EMS and I'm the one that need to read the manga?? ok xD

MS is a higher form of the 3T sharingan, think it would be obvious that it would improve -.-
both Madara and Saske with EMS seem even better at predicting movements than people with just MS.


"Nobody can teleport but , Naruto KCM is as fast as Minato ( shown against the Raikage )
Naruto BM is obviously faster."

again... speed =/= S/T
stop comparing speed with space time which is instant man. Obito can counter someone that just uses speed.
Minato has both speed and space time, and also one of the best reaction times in all manga.

 

[Voidstep]

She had a trap for him.
Also teleporting someone or the user's full body = phasing ( which is putting part of the body in the kamui dimension )

If its gonna be a no end debate , then i quit , i get bored easily and i hate long debates , ciao.

I don't really like long debates too xD

yes phasing is different from a "full teleport"
he used his "ghost mode" against Minato too, the problem is that he is not going to beat him with just phasing :/

well I'm out too
respect your opinion, but obviously don't agree with it

 

[Avinash012]

KCM Naruto = Minato's speed in FTG.

What....?

Kcm speed = Minato's coz he dodged Rikage's attack ..right..?

If Naruto beat Konahamaru & Minato did the same then Naruto = Minato...?

So the difference B/W Minato & Naruto is Irrelevant Here..?

Minato of course

Then FTG is faster

Kamui is better ( Minato and Kakashi said it ).

Already said this in my first post....

Obito lost because he wasn't able to keep up with Minato's speed at that time.

Which proves that his jutsu is slower...

 

[Ahmed1993]

Which proves that his jutsu is slower...

His reaction time was slower not the Jutsu.

The phasing of the jutsu (putting some part of your body in the Kamui dimension ) is faster than FTG.
Teleporting the whole body to the Kamui dimension is slower than FTG.

 

[Ahmed1993]

you're the one that continuously keep comparing 2T to 3T to MS and EMS and I'm the one that need to read the manga?? ok xD

MS is a higher form of the 3T sharingan, think it would be obvious that it would improve -.-
both Madara and Saske with EMS seem even better at predicting movements than people with just MS.


"Nobody can teleport but , Naruto KCM is as fast as Minato ( shown against the Raikage )
Naruto BM is obviously faster."

again... speed =/= S/T
stop comparing speed with space time which is instant man. Obito can counter someone that just uses speed.
Minato has both speed and space time, and also one of the best reaction times in all manga.

Because 3T > 2T
MS and EMS don't improve the perception and pre cognition of the Sharingan.

Yes Space time is different from raw speed , but in low range like in a battle :
The raw speed of Naruto BM and KCM can have the same speed as FTG
But in a far way location ( other village for example ) : FTG > Raw speed.

 

[ajpn920]

Yup minato teleports faster than obito can warp BUT obito can phase faster than minato can teleport.

obito can warp BUT obito can phase faster than minato can teleport

lol. are you serious? Minato was able to teleport and slam rasengan before Obito can go to his intangible mode.

 

[Ahmed1993]

lol. are you serious? Minato was able to teleport and slam rasengan before Obito can go to his intangible mode.

Again , his reaction time was slower not the Jutsu , read our posts before posting.

 

[RikudouMadara]

I agree....at such a young age he's severely at a disadvantage experience wise and still forced Minato to a split second decision he was unsure of...on if he'd win or not. Imho Obito 21 and older would easily win.

 

[ajpn920]

Again , his reaction time was slower not the Jutsu , read our posts before posting.

did you even read obito uchiha the wraith's post? learn to read before posting. btw, what made you think that kamui is not slower than FTG?

 

[Ahmed1993]

did you even read obito uchiha the wraith's post? learn to read before posting. btw, what made you think that kamui is not slower than FTG?

Hello ? i was the one who made this thread , i read every single post in it , you should read before posting.

Teleporting with Kamui is slower but phasing with it no ( Sending part of your body to the Kamui dimension ) and here is why :

Minato needed to use FTG LV2 to get him.
Old Obito phased throught Raikage like it was nothing
War arc Obito's been fighting with KCM and BM Naruto , Gai and Kakashi ( and we didn't saw a major part of that fight because of the Kabuto fight ).

 

[Flawž]

Yes MS Obito Is much more proficient with Kamui and can go give Minato a run for his money.

Minato doesn't have any devastating attacks that could kill obito meaning he would need to repeatedly spam FTG which could result in minato getting warped.

MS obito vs Minato is debatable.

 

[Aya San]

Obito gets pwned

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Hello ? i was the one who made this thread , i read every single post in it , you should read before posting.

Teleporting with Kamui is slower but phasing with it no ( Sending part of your body to the Kamui dimension ) and here is why :

Minato needed to use FTG LV2 to get him.
Old Obito phased throught Raikage like it was nothing
War arc Obito's been fighting with KCM and BM Naruto , Gai and Kakashi ( and we didn't saw a major part of that fight because of the Kabuto fight ).

None of those people are space time users. Even juubito couldn't react to tobirama and minato when either used ftg and each time minato or tobirama used the tech they respectively bested him. Stop comparing naruto and ay to minato. Neither can be as fast as minato nor do they have the reaction feats to be put on his level.

 

[Flawž]

None of those people are space time users. Even juubito couldn't react to tobirama and minato when either used ftg and each time minato or tobirama used the tech they respectively bested him. Stop comparing naruto and ay to minato. Neither can be as fast as minato nor do they have the reaction feats to be put on his level.

Minato and tobirama both surprised attacked him from the back using multiple people as distractions.

Did you also forget that Obito already reacted to FTG?

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[BenjerminGaye]

Minato and tobirama both surprised attacked him from the back using multiple people as distractions.

Did you also forget that Obito already reacted to FTG?

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He used ftg to jump away not attack.
And in every other instance the attack or combination landed and obito who honestly should anticipate it by now still got hit. Multiple times. Heck even in the most recent chapter obito got surprised just by his body flicker.

 

[Flawž]

He used ftg to jump away not attack.
And in every other instance the attack or combination landed and obito who honestly should anticipate it by now still got hit. Multiple times. Heck even in the most recent chapter obito got surprised just by his body flicker.

Juubito had enough time to react to FTG, Slash his arm off and place a exploding black chakra sphere in an instant.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Juubito had enough time to react to FTG, Slash his arm off and place a exploding black chakra sphere in an instant.

It says clearly in the scan YOU posted that he used ftg to jump away after jubito's attack landed. It doesn't say anything about minato using ftg for the initial attack.

 

[ajpn920]

Hello ? i was the one who made this thread , i read every single post in it , you should read before posting.

Teleporting with Kamui is slower but phasing with it no ( Sending part of your body to the Kamui dimension ) and here is why :

Minato needed to use FTG LV2 to get him.
Old Obito phased throught Raikage like it was nothing
War arc Obito's been fighting with KCM and BM Naruto , Gai and Kakashi ( and we didn't saw a major part of that fight because of the Kabuto fight ).

lol. Do you think you can prove that phasing is faster than Minato's FTG which is already instant?

 

[BenjerminGaye]

lol. Do you think you can prove that phasing is faster than Minato's FTG which is already instant?

He cannot. That's why when tobirama/minato used ftg on obito during the war 10 times out of 10 it worked.