Obito's Kamui is not automatic [Manga facts says so]

[AaaaNinja]

what about the second time he hit him?

Last page of chapter 502, Minato planted a hiraishin marking on the spot his rasengan palm landed, so he could hit him again in chapter 503. Hiraishin no jutsu is the technique Tobi cited when he was surprised by the second hit.

So, you're right that's proof it's not automatic, because Minato was able to surprise Tobi when Tobi was resting the ability and not anticipating he would attack. If it was automatic then reaction time would be irrelevant, and this attack was possible because it relied on his speed beating Tobi's time to react.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

I say he sucked up the ameterasu. The trick to beat him is finding the place in kamuiland that's all ameterasu and forcing him to go full suck up mode, and he falls screaming to his extremely hot death.

 

[KidGamer65]

@kidgamer65
1-That was my point, it's not automatic. If it were, it would have activated by itself.

2- I got your point but it couldn't have been Kamui. That's why I put an emphasis on UNSCATHED. He was hit by it, we all saw it. He even groaned in pain I think. Even if he somehow got rid of it through Kamui ( which I don't believe he did because Kamui can't do this ) where is the damage that we should have seen on his clothes ? How do you explain that. That's why I've come to believe he used Izanagi.

The databook strongly implies that he used Kamui, not Izanagi, using Izanagi was impossible.

As Danzo has shown, you have to activate the jutsu first and whatever damage you take while the jutsu is active is reversed.

Obito didn't have Izanagi active when he approached Sasuke so he couldn't have used it escape the black flames.

 

[Draxus]

So I made a thread about how to counter it and some people started to tell me how Obito's Kamui is automatic.. Their evidence : when his hands went ''through'' Rin. To that I say :
1- His powers had only recently matured
2- He was in an emotional stormsh*t
That's why he couldn't properly control it.

But I said it wasn't automatic, my evidence :
1- Amaterasu to the face.
If it was truly automatic, that would have never happened.

P.S : how the hell did he survived that UNSCRATCHED ??

I think it's automatic but he has to actually force him self NOT to use it.


That's why he was hit by that amaterasu was able to hit him, he didn't get a chance to turn off the mental block.

 

[htmwall]

I think it's automatic but he has to actually force him self NOT to use it.


That's why he was hit by that amaterasu was able to hit him, he didn't get a chance to turn off the mental block.

what is your explication on how he was stabbed by minato?

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[raziel777]

As Danzo has shown, you have to activate the jutsu first and whatever damage you take while the jutsu is active is reversed.

Obito didn't have Izanagi active when he approached Sasuke so he couldn't have used it escape the black flames.

Hm I agree with you on this one. But how did he use Kamui to absorb the black flames ? Even if he somehow managed to do that, what about the undamaged clothes ? No matter how fast he used Kamui we should have seen damages

 

[6PathsofKami]

Ofcourse its automatic the reason why he got hit with Amaterasu is coz he didnt activate kamui and against Minato he deactivated it so he could touch him. Look at when he tries touching someone with kamui activated, his hands go through them and when his body parts move to the kamui dimension it happens automatically without him having to manually do it by thinking if that was the case things like kakashis lightning kunai would have hit his face. Such small body parts going through and back from the kamui with such precision only proves that it is automatic.

Edit: I think we are talking about different things here. I think you mean the activation is not automatic right? If so then yeah you are right but after it has been activated it becomes automatic. After activation it automatically phases the body parts that are overlapping something else to and back from the Kamui dimension.

 

[raziel777]

@6PathsofKami
Hm no I meant even after activation he has to willingly send his body parts to the other dimension.
Ex : if someone manages to sneak up on him ( ie : that person is in his blind spot ) and attacks, even if kamui is active at the moment, the attack will connect with him. Kamui will not automatically protect him

 

[Draxus]

what is your explication on how he was stabbed by minato?

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He turned off his intangibility so he could kumai Minato, and didn't remove it because he was stunned by the fact he got hit. He was simply caught off guard, you have to remember he wasn't as experienced then as he is now.

 

[Edge]

Edit: I think we are talking about different things here. I think you mean the activation is not automatic right? If so then yeah you are right but after it has been activated it becomes automatic. After activation it automatically phases the body parts that are overlapping something else to and back from the Kamui dimension.

This.

 

[6PathsofKami]

@6PathsofKami
Hm no I meant even after activation he has to willingly send his body parts to the other dimension.
Ex : if someone manages to sneak up on him ( ie : that person is in his blind spot ) and attacks, even if kamui is active at the moment, the attack will connect with him. Kamui will not automatically protect him

I still believe its automatic after activation, its impossible not to be.

 

[raziel777]

I still believe its automatic after activation, its impossible not to be.

It would be way too OP. Surprise attack would be useless against him. In Naruto it's a common knowledge : you can't defend against something you can't see. Think about it, only way to hit him would be to wait for him to turn off his Kamui..?!
Well, we'll see more of his Kamui in the future, I'll keep an eye open for definite evidences. Meanwhile I'll look for more proofs to try and convince you.

 

[6PathsofKami]

It would be way too OP. Surprise attack would be useless against him. In Naruto it's a common knowledge : you can't defend against something you can't see. Think about it, only way to hit him would be to wait for him to turn off his Kamui..?!
Well, we'll see more of his Kamui in the future, I'll keep an eye open for definite evidences. Meanwhile I'll look for more proofs to try and convince you.

Well we already know its not that op because it only lasts for 5 minutes and yes you have to wait for him to it to attack you since thats when he deactivates it or wait for the 5 minutes to run out before you can even touch him thats the only way. Prime example is the fight against Konan, you think he could keep tabs on hundreds of paper bombs going through him if its not automatic?

 

[UnrealSoul]

Hm I agree with you on this one. But how did he use Kamui to absorb the black flames ? Even if he somehow managed to do that, what about the undamaged clothes ? No matter how fast he used Kamui we should have seen damages

....You worry about the most idiotic details. It does not take obito 10 sec to activate ms...it happens instantly... Also those famous black flames take forever to burn....It was not even burning A's gauntlets when it impacted.

 

[raziel777]

....You worry about the most idiotic details. It does not take obito 10 sec to activate ms...it happens instantly... Also those famous black flames take forever to burn....It was not even burning A's gauntlets when it impacted.

So you are comparing the rate of burning of iron gauntlets with that of plain clothes...

 

[htmwall]

He turned off his intangibility so he could kumai Minato, and didn't remove it because he was stunned by the fact he got hit. He was simply caught off guard, you have to remember he wasn't as experienced then as he is now.

if it's automatic and he turned off his intangibility,then it would have reacted automatically to minato's presence and turned on immediately on its own.

 

[Codex]

Edit: I think we are talking about different things here. I think you mean the activation is not automatic right? If so then yeah you are right but after it has been activated it becomes automatic. After activation it automatically phases the body parts that are overlapping something else to and back from the Kamui dimension.

^Also this.

It's been my understanding that once Obito's phasing ability is activated, it's automatic, but of course it must be activated manually. This is why Obito can't transport objects while phasing -- unlike Kakakshi's, Obito's version of Kamui requires physical contact to transport items between dimensions, and Obito can't make physical contact with his phasing ability activated (because it's an automatic response).

As @6PathsofKami states below, it's not really OP because it has well-established weaknesses. If Obito had both his eyes, however, it very well could be OP since he could conceivably transport objects a la Kakashi's kamui without needing to touch them. He could have kidnapped Naruto countless times, and the manga would have ended before it began.

 

[6PathsofKami]

^Also this.

It's been my understanding that once Obito's phasing ability is activated, it's automatic, but of course it must be activated manually. This is why Obito can't transport objects while phasing -- unlike Kakakshi's, Obito's version of Kamui requires physical contact to transport items between dimensions, and Obito can't make physical contact with his phasing ability activated (because it's an automatic response).

As @6PathsofKami states below, it's not really OP because it has well-established weaknesses. If Obito had both his eyes, however, it very well could be OP since he could conceivably transport objects a la Kakashi's kamui without needing to touch them. He could have kidnapped Naruto countless times, and the manga would have ended before it began.

Finally someone who gets it

 

[Draxus]

if it's automatic and he turned off his intangibility,then it would have reacted automatically to minato's presence and turned on immediately on its own.

You misunderstand. It's automatically phases the parts of his body. However, Obito manually enables/disables the ability. So If he turns it off, it stays off until he turns it back on. When minato attacked he had it turned off.

Also after 5 mins it stops working as well.