[Theory] Obito will never be able to have full control over the Juubi

[Mr Hiru]

Mugen Tsukiyomi is destined to fail. It won't be executed as a perfect world.

Road to Ninja only opened my mind to think about this possibility, but the main reason behind my reasoning is...

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Look at the bottom-right panel. Is this something you saw in the few last chapters, right...?

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In the next chapter, this is stated by Kakashi...

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People's feelings is what can fill the emptyness in your heart. That's the way to become a successful Jinchuuriki without losing the mind, because the bijuu devours your soul. Naruto managed to conquer Kurama's heart through actions and loyalty to the Bijuus, and Bee was able to achieve this thanks to Ay considering him as his most dearly companion.

Obito tried to become Jinchuuriki without meeting this requirement. So in this moment, if Obito doesn't change his attitude towards what's the meaning of a friend and a real world, he will never be able to fully achieve control over the Juubi (furthermore, it's quite possible for him to stay as mindless as he is now).

 

[AllomnisymbolsparttwoT]

Obito's love for rin will make him control the bijuu

 

[edyelectric]

Isn't it obvios the juubi is already controling him

 

[Mr Hiru]

Obito's love for rin will make him control the bijuu

He needs to have a deep understanding of the real world too. He must not feel as having a hole in his heart.

 

[thunderthehybrid]

Juubi has no consciousness so it's easy to control

 

[Optimistic]

Well said thread maker well said.

 

[xcoyote]

Following that logic we cant have a 10tails jin villain because even Madara doesnt meet that requirement.

 

[Mr Hiru]

Isn't it obvios the juubi is already controling him

This was obvious too when Naruto awakened the Six Tails against Pain. Only when his dad gave him support he managed to regain control.

But my message is deeper than this... my statement points towards Obito's objective. Mugen Tsukuyomi can only be executed by someone who isn't empty-hearted.

Obito explicitely stated that he feels emptyness, so he can't.

Madara in the other side won't be discarded by me because I don't think about him as a villain. Furthermore, he even made a rapeface that express excitement about the possibility of fighting Hashirama, so he HAS something in his heart.

 

[God of the akatsuki]

so your saying without his heart he wont understand and he will never understand the jubbi right?

 

[abister90]

Obito thought that the way to get the Juubi was with Senju/Uchiha DNA, Rinnegan/Sharingan. While he was right, there is more to it. It is obvious that Madara knows how to control the Juubi the correct way. Only people I think can control the Juubi:

1. Madara - He's highly intellegent and knows his stuff.

2. Orochimaru - Come on... he is Orochimaru.

3. Naruto - Spriit of the Sage lives on in him and he has the trust of all the Bijuu.

 

[Henrik]

Road to ninja is not canon

 

[Mr Hiru]

so your saying without his heart he wont understand and he will never understand the jubbi right?

The Juubi will consume his soul because Obito doesn't have determination. He only has ambitions.

Obito thought that the way to get the Juubi was with Senju/Uchiha DNA, Rinnegan/Sharingan. While he was right, there is more to it. It is obvious that Madara knows how to control the Juubi the correct way. Only people I think can control the Juubi:

1. Madara - He's highly intellegent and knows his stuff.

2. Orochimaru - Come on... he is Orochimaru.

3. Naruto - Spriit of the Sage lives on in him and he has the trust of all the Bijuu.

The three of them have ambitions, but lets analyze this...

1. Madara: Intelligence has nothing to do with becoming Jinchuuriki. It's the feelings the Jinchuuriki has towards the people that surrounds them. Naruto isn't so smart and he was able to befriend Kurama. But Madara indeed is a valid candidate, he not only has ambitios, he has feelings towards Hashirama as a friend and rival.

2. Orochimaru: We don't know much about his feelings, we only know his ambitions. If you ask me, he has an empty heart too... he is just a curious snake finding purpose.

3: Naruto: Obviously. This is "the best candidate" because he even has the trust of the beasts.

Road to ninja is not canon

You can ignore that line then. The most important paragraphs are those who follows this line.

 

[x9lb babynaruto]

All this talk about having full hearts filled with love and friendship reminds me of kingdom hearts and how corny it was LOL

 

[saw2097]

I completely agree, a big issue in this manga is that the only way to overcome a Tailed Beasts hatred is to be able to let go of your own hatred and have friends and all that stuff.

Obito is empty and consumed by hatred, so really Obito is the last person in the manga that should be able to be a Perfect Jinchuriki and control the tailed Beast inside of himself.

 

[3MESSIAH]

i agree.juubi is controling obito`s empty and hateful heart

 

[Henrik]

I think it's too early to say he doesn't have control over the Juubi. He might have lost himself a little, but that does not mean he lost control over it atm.

 

[ItachiUchiha2]

Obito more than likely knew he was going to be controlled and didn't care, But i think that Obito is completely gone.

 

[Mr Hiru]

I completely agree, a big issue in this manga is that the only way to overcome a Tailed Beasts hatred is to be able to let go of your own hatred and have friends and all that stuff.

Obito is empty and consumed by hatred, so really Obito is the last person in the manga that should be able to be a Perfect Jinchuriki and control the tailed Beast inside of himself.

Yes. I could say that my observations were a summary of the Jinchuuriki's chapters.

i agree.juubi is controling obito`s empty and hateful heart

Precisely.

I think it's too early to say he doesn't have control over the Juubi. He might have lost himself a little, but that does not mean he lost control over it atm.

He won't be able to fully control the Juubi unless he meets the requirements stated. This is not something I say, this is something that was stated by Fukai, the Hachibi's Former Jinchuuriki. If Obito doesn't have appreciation to his friends, if he doesn't consider their "real" feelings, there is no way he could fully control the Juubi, and this mean he will never be able to execute a Perfect Mugen Tsukuyomi.

Obito more than likely knew he was going to be controlled and didn't care, But i think that Obito is completely gone.

Yes. Or as the later comment said, maybe Obito isn't completly gone... but I can assure you, he won't have complete control over the Juubi at his current state.

 

[AlexXx]

but isnt there a difference between being friend with a bijuu.(like naruto, bee) and controlling them forcefully (like madara/obito had planned). and i also think so6p couldnt be friend with juubi. i mean he probably had a good heart but he wasnt a firend of the juubi.


so i think he is permanently fighting over who gonna controll dat body. he wont go full unconcious (?) because of senju/uchiha dna and sharingan and rinnegan.

 

[Mr Hiru]

but isnt there a difference between being friend with a bijuu.(like naruto, bee) and controlling them forcefully (like madara/obito had planned). and i also think so6p couldnt be friend with juubi. i mean he probably had a good heart but he wasnt a firend of the juubi.


so i think he is permanently fighting over who gonna controll dat body. he wont go full unconcious (?) because of senju/uchiha dna and sharingan and rinnegan.

I just put you things stated my the manga itself, so I really can't see your point. Moreover, Hiruzen stated before dying against Orochimaru that what determines true strength in a Ninja was not the ninjutsus... so trying to tell that Obito can be strong because his DNA or his Ninjutsus is not proof enough. There are emotional factors and the things I brought in my original post is all I need to prove it.

ANYWAYS, let's see what Kishimoto tells us. Until now, I don't think there is a Plot no Jutsu thing...