Obito was NOT Madaras pawn

[Aya San]

I agreed... if only this thread was made before Wednesday, but it wasn't, so no didn't read.

 

[HiddenSound]

He was more than a simple pawn, but he was definitely used out the wazoo.

 

[ObitoGokuKakashi]

Just a proof of how much a fodder fanboy you are. You cant even counter, so you resort to insult as your way.

The puppet master seal jutsu manipulates the actions of the victim. That is why Rin committed suicide, because of Madara's order [

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No, Madara TOLD Obito to use Nagato [

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No, Madara TOLD Obito to use his name [

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No, Minato broke black Zetsu's control [

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You see what I am doing here? I am bringing manga scans to support my statement, wheres you let your fanboysim influence you to the point where you look retarded. Obito was a dog following his master's orders.

NO just no. Rin wasn't told to commit suicide by the hands of Kakashi. Rin choose her own death to protect the Village. Madara was even surprised and said ''What strange fate that you two removed it the same way.

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Nowhere it's stated that Rin is going to suicide to begin with. He just planned to KILL her in front of Obitos eyes.
He even said, that it was even too good to be true that she commited suicide in the hands of Kakashi.

If it wasn't for Kakashi stabbing her, he planned to kill her by Kirigakure Ninjas.

You say, Madara told that & that to Obito. Yes, that's the case BUT Obito slowly took control of the strings. That is what I#m saying.

LOLOL & you saying that Minato was the one who break Zetsus control. Firstly, Obito had planned it to become JuubiJin from the beginning.

His hand signs were different to begin with with as stated here.

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So Madara failed from the start to control Obito. Obito NEVER used RT to begin with. At that point Madara never had control of Obito from the start.

The BZ incident I was talking about was this one.

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Who said that I ain't using Manga Scans to support my Statements? Lol

 

[Sennin of Logic]

and here comes more ppl to prove me right.

Madara never even showed his trump card.

once obito became jin everyone else was scared.

he was not phased.

Madara had complete control over obito, except towards the end but madara had plans in store in case. so there is some logic to that claim

but obito had less than 10% of control

Very, very incorrect. He did not show any, but it's clear he gave Madara a ton of uncertainties.

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"He might anticipate me before I can use my trump card." Obito posed a huge problem to Madara. Contrary to what you said, he had no control over Obito.

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"He's been useless moving behind Madara's back." Aka, he was so troublesome to Madara, he literally had no worth to him, meaning he had that little control.

 

[Umari Senju]

Allow me to add something. They're both incredible manipulators, but you'd be a fool if you said Obito has been completely under Madara's control. Obito is a pawn in the sense that Madara manipulated who he was, but who he became was out of Madara's reach. There was no way Madara could have beaten juubi jin Obito. Obito ultimately won. Now, Madara's clearly a genius for setting the current events now, and who's smarter is debatable, but of course, now Madara's leagues above in power.

This is what I was trying to get accross. well said.

and here comes more ppl to prove me right.

Madara never even showed his trump card.

once obito became jin everyone else was scared. Madara had complete control over obito, except towards the end but madara had plans in store in case. so there is some logic to that claim

but obito had less than 10% of control

@ part in bold: Madara's Trump card was the black zetsu inside of Obito. He couldn't use it while obito was the Juubi Jin because he was too powerful. That was NOT part of Madara's plan. Naruto, Sasuke and K11 helped remedy that when they defeated him weakening him enough for Madara to use black zetsu to make him peform Rinne Tensei.

Why do you guys assume someone is a fanboy when defending or countering your posts? I am no fan of Obito's so it's easier for me to look at his character a little more unbiased than others. YES Obito was a pawn but as I stated above, even pawns can kill a king. Just because Obito was used doesn't mean he followed everything Madara wished to a tee. Madara put that seal on his heart. Obito knew it was there....and had kakashi remove it with his Lightning blade or did you guys forget that?

 

[Aya San]

LOLOL & you saying that Minato was the one who break Zetsus control. Firstly, Obito had planned it to become JuubiJin from the beginning.

So Madara failed from the start to control Obito. Obito NEVER used RT to begin with. At that point Madara never had control of Obito from the start.

He was using RT for a moment, that's why Madara was glowing [

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[Bronze]

NO just no. Rin wasn't told to commit suicide by the hands of Kakashi. Rin choose her own death to protect the Village. Madara was even surprised and said ''What strange fate that you two removed it the same way.

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Nowhere it's stated that Rin is going to suicide to begin with. He just planned to KILL her in front of Obitos eyes.
He even said, that it was even too good to be true that she commited suicide in the hands of Kakashi.

If it wasn't for Kakashi stabbing her, he planned to kill her by Kirigakure Ninjas.

You say, Madara told that & that to Obito. Yes, that's the case BUT Obito slowly took control of the strings. That is what I#m saying.

LOLOL & you saying that Minato was the one who break Zetsus control. Firstly, Obito had planned it to become JuubiJin from the beginning.

His hand signs were different to begin with with as stated here.

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So Madara failed from the start to control Obito. Obito NEVER used RT to begin with. At that point Madara never had control of Obito from the start.

The BZ incident I was talking about was this one.

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Who said that I ain't using Manga Scans to support my Statements? Lol

Oh my god. This will be my last reply and hopefully, I can fix the sickness in your brain.

The curse seal controls the actions of the actions of the person. He said ''fate'', because he didn't know Kakashi would stab Obito in the same way he did to Rin. The scan says Rin's actions were all manipulated by Madara:

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No, Obito pulled the strings based on Madara's orders and name. Doesn't get any simpler than that.

I didn't Naruto knew the hand seals of Rinne Tensie.

Nagato already used the tiger hand seal Obito used (which according to Naruto is something else) [

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You do realize Obito only resisted black Zetsu, because black Zetsu stayed too long in his body. Obito would have died if it wasn't that case. And he admitted he cant hold him off for too long.

 

[Umari Senju]

He was using RT for a moment, that's why Madara was glowing [

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True. Obito was shaken both by Naruto's words and his fight with Kakashi , not to mention by Minato's attack. Madara tried to take advantage of that moment. Though it ultimately ended in Madara giving a slight grin before uttering the words...

"I failed"

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Fun Fact: Madara's plan would have failed almost instantly if Obito had followed the plan. Gather the Bijuu, Revive Madara, Revive the Juubi, Infinite Tsukiyomi.

Of course, Madara would be revived as a weak old man with no eyes, so after the juubi killed him, Obito would say something sarcastic, then become the jinchuriki of the juubi.

 

[ObitoGokuKakashi]

Oh my god. This will be my last reply and hopefully, I can fix the sickness in your brain.

The curse seal controls the actions of the actions of the person. He said ''fate'', because he didn't know Kakashi would stab Obito in the same way he did to Rin. The scan says Rin's actions were all manipulated by Madara:

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No, Obito pulled the strings based on Madara's orders and name. Doesn't get any simpler than that.

I didn't Naruto knew the hand seals of Rinne Tensie.

Nagato already used the tiger hand seal Obito used (which according to Naruto is something else) [

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You do realize Obito only resisted black Zetsu, because black Zetsu stayed too long in his body. Obito would have died if it wasn't that case. And he admitted he cant hold him off for too long.

Firstly, to that Rin incident, I said everything to it & I won't waste any energy anymore on that.

Look closely, the seals are different.

Nagatos.

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Obitos.

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Whilst Nagatos fingers are stretched, the fingers of Obitos right hand are bent inwards to his left hand.

Latter is just an assumption of you. Obito took control because of his own Will.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Oh my god. This will be my last reply and hopefully, I can fix the sickness in your brain.

The curse seal controls the actions of the actions of the person. He said ''fate'', because he didn't know Kakashi would stab Obito in the same way he did to Rin. The scan says Rin's actions were all manipulated by Madara:

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No, Obito pulled the strings based on Madara's orders and name. Doesn't get any simpler than that.

I didn't Naruto knew the hand seals of Rinne Tensie.

Nagato already used the tiger hand seal Obito used (which according to Naruto is something else) [

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You do realize Obito only resisted black Zetsu, because black Zetsu stayed too long in his body. Obito would have died if it wasn't that case. And he admitted he cant hold him off for too long.

If the curse seal controlled their actions, then Madara would have immediately forced Obito to use Rinne Tensei here[

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That scan you provided never said that Rin's actions were manipulated by Madara. He was surprised that they both removed it by Kakashi stabbing them, and if he controlled her, surely he wouldn't be.

Nagato only used the tiger seal for a short time, then he swapped to the hands clasped. If Obito was really using GRT, he would have done that. Tech's having the same seal dont mean that they are the same. Both obito's Juubi sealing method and 1000 years of death use the same seal.

However Obito resisted black zetsu is irrelevant. The first time he did it, he was also half dead. If black zetsu cant do anything unless the person is half dead, then it's not like it's going to work against someon who isn't fataly wounded.

 

[EternalFlame]

He was a pawn in the sense of sharing the same ideals and his initial decent into darkness. Madara manipulated that... However, other then that he was far from a pawn. He wasn't even planning to revive Madara.

 

[apsri]

So recently, I saw people everywhere saying, Ohh Madara did this thing there with Rin OMFG he is such a genius Obito is his puppet blabla.

So first, I think everyone knew that Madara was behind the Rin incident. I don't understand how this was not clear from the start. So I don't know why you all are losing your minds.

Yes it's true that Madara managed to drag Obito to his side but after that, Obito did act on his own. Because it became his WILL to create that Dreamworld.

First, he NEVER saw Madara as an allie.

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He never planned to revive Madara. If it wasn't for Kabuto, Madara would be still in his Grave & if you say, that BZ or WZ could do something in that case to Obito, to get him to revive Madara .. well, let me tell you this. Zetsu is WEAK. He couldn't do shit. A half dead Obito managed to take control over BZ. So, if Zetsu would try to go against Obito, Obito would rape him. Period.

We all know that Madaras plans didn't go as he wished.

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This guy had luck that things went out, the way they did.

Obito used Madaras name to fulfill his plans. For his own sake. Not for Madaras. So in this case, Obito used Madara, thus, Obito took control. Obito literally took control of everything at this point.

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Madara even failed with his curse seal that he put on Obitos heart to prevent Obito becoming JuubiJin. Obito was aware of that.

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Obito got ride of that risking his life to come closer to his dream.

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At this point, Obito would rather choose death than be controlled by Madara. This shows how much guts he had.

After becoming this

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Obito could easily get ride of Madara. He could have raped Madara in an instant if he wanted to.
at this point Madara was lucky to be plotshielded. If it wasn't for plot, Madara would have been gone right there. We all know that.

Last but not least, I want to mention, that Obitos dream was truly to create this Dreamworld but Madaras dream is just to let that Fruit grow and obtain it's power.

Madara just doesn't know what he wants. Is it Peace? Is it Power? This guy is just bad.

Thanks for reading.

He really was, to be honest. Madara got lucky, no doubt, and Obito was by no means a puppet. He had his own consciousness, and did his best to prevent Madara from achieving his personal ambitions, but he failed, and, as Madara said, ended up doing even better than he expected him to, as his pawn.

Madara implanted his Rinnegan into Nagato, and instructed Obito to first bring Nagato into the plan. Madara knew that Nagato would summon the Gedo Mazo, and he explained to Obito how he was to seal the bijuu into it.

He set Obito up to fall into darkness and despair, and them willingly continue his plan in his stead. He also instructed Obito in psychology (it is implied that he taught Obito how to make people fall into darkness in the latest chapter).

Black Zetsu's main purpose was probably to supervise Obito, rather than assist him. He was able to activate the curse seal, as Madara's Will. Obito was not able to commit suicide, and it is unlikely that we would have strayed from the path. If he did, Black Zetsu could kill him.

Madara got lucky, but Obito was definitely his pawn, and he played his part well, no matter how unintentionally.

 

[Aya San]

Fun Fact: Madara's plan would have failed almost instantly if Obito had followed the plan. Gather the Bijuu, Revive Madara, Revive the Juubi, Infinite Tsukiyomi.

Of course, Madara would be revived as a weak old man with no eyes, so after the juubi killed him, Obito would say something sarcastic, then become the jinchuriki of the juubi.

Wow, of course Madara would know that but made a plan so it would happen anyway, am I right?

 

[Sage Moonblood]

These are some pretty valid points you have made here sir

 

[Tantalus Thief]

Madara vs Obito fanboys still going at it. Obito was cool, I liked how he punked Madara and now thanks to him Madara is done for since Naruto is back with Sasuke.

 

[apsri]

and here comes more ppl to prove me right.

Madara never even showed his trump card.

once obito became jin everyone else was scared.

he was not phased.

Madara had complete control over obito, except towards the end but madara had plans in store in case. so there is some logic to that claim

but obito had less than 10% of control

An imaginary trump card. We never saw it, so we can't comment on it.

Madara undoubtedly got lucky in regards to Juubi Jin Obito being defeated.

 

[Ovan]

Obito did those things for his own personal reason.

 

[Trollasaur]

You clearly don't understand how the puppet master seal jutsu works. It contains the orders of Madara and it manipulates the victim's actions. Obito was acting accordingly to the seal.

Madara told him to manipulate Nagato, which Obito did.
Madara told him to use his name, which Obito did.
Madara told him to gather all 9 Bijuu, which Obito did.

Obito even replicated Madara's personality and nature, as a proof of how much he is brainwashed. Obito agrees he was following Madara's orders [

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Obito's fappers are really trying their best. How sad.

You're silly.

OP Madara did mainipulate Obito to a point, but Obito isn't a puppet at all.
Madara had no plans for after he died, he just put his faith in obito.

 

[XxLapizxLazulixX]

You clearly don't understand how the puppet master seal jutsu works. It contains the orders of Madara and it manipulates the victim's actions. Obito was acting accordingly to the seal.

Madara told him to manipulate Nagato, which Obito did.
Madara told him to use his name, which Obito did.
Madara told him to gather all 9 Bijuu, which Obito did.

Obito even replicated Madara's personality and nature, as a proof of how much he is brainwashed. Obito agrees he was following Madara's orders [

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Obito's fappers are really trying their best. How sad.

So then what happened when Obito began going against Madara, before the seal was removed. What happened when Obito had no intention of reviving Madara, what happened when Obito even stated that they weren't friends, and that he had no plan to die in order to bring back madara? Thought so.

As I said, Obito at some point made the plan his own, excluding Madara.