Obito (w/ Kyubi) vs Edo Madara

[HiddenSound]

It's crazy how people are even mentioning Mokuton here when Mokuryu was canonically fodderized by Kurama, and when none of Edo Madara's other Mokuton Jutsu surpass it in power. Madara outmuscles Kyuubi with PS, and then beats down Obito.

How does PS outmuscle Kyuubi?

 

[Draphsin]

Wood Dragon would take down Kyuubi

Kyuubi is pinned down with mokuryu

--Mokuryu to restrain kurama

~Mokuryu binds Kurama while Madara obliterates it with PS Slash

Madara wins this via restraining Kurama.

Madara could easily use Mokuton Mokuryou to restrain Kurama

C'mon people... Do none of you read the manga? U_U

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Mokuryuu is fodder to kurama & mokuton isn't any better. Chakra roar/bijuudama cuts through any & all mokuton aside from mokujin [but I'm not giving him that].

Then there's the fact that obito can teleport literally anywhere to re-summon kurama, thus untangling him whenever he may actually be trapped.

OT: Obito wins mid-diff, same old same old. Kurama induces susanoo/PS, obito then warps inside & warps him away. Give obito 10 minutes of izanagi & that ensures madara can't pull a fast one during/before the warp.

 

[KidGamer65]

How does PS outmuscle Kyuubi?

We've seen the limits of it's power when it's being controlled. It's singular Bijuu Dama get tanked by PS, and multiple PS slashes take it down.

 

[Beans2]

We've seen the limits of it's power when it's being controlled. It's singular Bijuu Dama get tanked by PS, and multiple PS slashes take it down.

Obito can warp into the kamui dimension and then summon Kurama there (like how Sasuke summoned his hawk in the lava dimension). Then the Kyubi can load up a bijuudama while Obito warps directly behind Madara, summons the kyubi, and nails him with a bijuudama. Obito doesn't have to worry about getting caught up in the explosion due to intangibility.

If you think VoTE Madara > Edo Madara, and MS Obito > EMS Madara, then why don't you think Obito w/ Kyubi > Edo Madara? Is it because Madara can armour the Kyubi with PS unlike Obito?

 

[Omar19992010]

Obito can warp into the kamui dimension and then summon Kurama there (like how Sasuke summoned his hawk in the lava dimension). Then the Kyubi can load up a bijuudama while Obito warps directly behind Madara, summons the kyubi, and nails him with a bijuudama. Obito doesn't have to worry about getting caught up in the explosion due to intangibility.

If you think VoTE Madara > Edo Madara, and MS Obito > EMS Madara, then why don't you think Obito w/ Kyubi > Edo Madara? Is it because Madara can armour the Kyubi with PS unlike Obito?

EDO Madara has a way more versatile arsenal than VOTE Madara with stuff like Mokuton, Rinnegan and his EMS Powers however VOTE would beat Edo Madara.

 

[madvictory]

Even if Obito is controlling the Kyuubi (which I know he is) - Madara simply counters such jutsu by taking control over the Kyuubi himself with his Sharingan. This is possible because it was stated in the manga that the Uchiha could have stopped the "Kyuubi incident" had they not been kept away from the problem by Danzo.

 

[Draphsin]

Even if Obito is controlling the Kyuubi (which I know he is) - Madara simply counters such jutsu by taking control over the Kyuubi himself with his Sharingan. This is possible because it was stated in the manga that the Uchiha could have stopped the "Kyuubi incident" had they not been kept away from the problem by Danzo.

Read the OP.

 

[KidGamer65]

Obito can warp into the kamui dimension and then summon Kurama there (like how Sasuke summoned his hawk in the lava dimension). Then the Kyubi can load up a bijuudama while Obito warps directly behind Madara, summons the kyubi, and nails him with a bijuudama. Obito doesn't have to worry about getting caught up in the explosion due to intangibility.

How does that stop PS from tanking it?

If you think VoTE Madara > Edo Madara, and MS Obito > EMS Madara, then why don't you think Obito w/ Kyubi > Edo Madara? Is it because Madara can armour the Kyubi with PS unlike Obito?

EMS Madara is stronger than MS Obito, but MS Obito only wins because Madara has no way to work around Kamui. The abilities he had as an Edo Tensei change that. Adding Kyuubi to Obito doesn't make a difference in the result since PS can beat Kyuubi.

 

[Beans2]

How does that stop PS from tanking it?

It's not just an offensive tactic, it's also away to allow the Kyubi to avoid Madara's PS slashes. And a bijuudama barrage around the area of PS's head/neck area contains sufficient firepower to bust through it.

EMS Madara is stronger than MS Obito, but MS Obito only wins because Madara has no way to work around Kamui. The abilities he had as an Edo Tensei change that. Adding Kyuubi to Obito doesn't make a difference in the result since PS can beat Kyuubi.

Fair enough, but you should factor in Obito's combination attacks with the Kyubi as well.

 

[KingHashirama]

uhhh Madara destroys?

 

[RedShadow]

Mokuryu binds Kurama while Madara casually drops Meteors on it and then finishes it off with a PS Slash


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Hashirama's clones were so powerful only Madara could see it because of years of fighting with him


These are over 50 clones equipped with Susanoo not just a weak ass KCM clone


Madara will just fool Obito into absorbing a clone and then destroy Obito's body parts thats in the Kamui world

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He needs to touch Madara and since this is Edo Madara he cant put his hand through him since its just body made out of paper

Your manga page is irrelevant. notice Madara said "Old Days" ?

 

[KidGamer65]

It's not just an offensive tactic, it's also away to allow the Kyubi to avoid Madara's PS slashes. And a bijuudama barrage around the area of PS's head/neck area contains sufficient firepower to bust through it.

It lets him evade it once, to land a Bijuu Dama and that's it. Once Kurama is on the battlefield in the real world, there is no getting it back to the Kamui Land.

If it's the barrage EMS Madara used on Hashirama, then sure. But that'll never happen since PS will be smacking Kyuubi around with it's blades.

Fair enough, but you should factor in Obito's combination attacks with the Kyubi as well.

What combo attacks? The one you just mentioned?

 

[Beans2]

It lets him evade it once, to land a Bijuu Dama and that's it. Once Kurama is on the battlefield in the real world, there is no getting it back to the Kamui Land.

If it's the barrage EMS Madara used on Hashirama, then sure. But that'll never happen since PS will be smacking Kyuubi around with it's blades.

I don't see why it can't rapid-fire four bijuudamas at it? That would probably contain enough firepower to breach the head/neck area of PS. While at the same time Obito phases through Susano'o and engages in CQC with Madara who will have to simultaneously focus on not getting warped and using PS against the Kyubi (though CQC can be negated through use of wood clones, if Madara decides to prep them)

What combo attacks? The one you just mentioned?

That's one of them. Obito can also phase through any defense and engage the opponent in close combat while at the same time the opponent has to focus on avoiding or defending against Kyubi attacks/bijuudamas (Obito escapes blasts because of intangibility). Obito can also trap his opponent in Uchiha flame formation then use the Kyubi to nuke the area inside, the same strategy he used later as a Juubi Jin (though this method might not be effective against Madara.)

For the record, I'm talking about an adult MS Tobi with the Kyubi summon.

 

[Beans2]

How does PS outmuscle Kyuubi?

I have the same question.

 

[synkross]

Obito wins, Madara has no way to deal with kamui. Kyuubi will provide the distraction that Obito needs to touch Madara..then its game over.

 

[-immortal-]

Madara wins IMO
Lets start with the fact edo madara can create 25 Mokúton clones Lol

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Can bind the kyubi for a moment

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Hold kyubi dog of some more

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There are litterly 25• mokuton clones w/ susano he has to defeat

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He can crush the kyubi

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Obito has no jutsu that can even harm madara except Kamui.
Because Kunbai Will neg all pyshical attacks.

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He can counter his kamui with Clones no problem.


Madara wins high diff because kyubi​

 

[Court]

I feel bad for the hell Obito gets put through. Madara low diff.

 

[Demonic.]

I feel bad for the hell Obito gets put through. Madara low diff.

He's already in hell without Rin But I agree Madara will teach him what hell really is :snick:

OT - Madara close to neg diff

 

[synkross]

Actually Obito wins this low difficulty.

Proof:

Obito can touch Madara while Madara can't touch Obito.

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Then Obito will easily take out Madara's soul via Human Path.

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What Human Path can do?

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We can see that to take out someones soul, all Obito have to do is touch them, he can easily do this by keeping only his hand in real world while rest of his body phased.

This is not a kamui wrap where Obito will be forced to keep is whole body in real world. This is just soul extraction which only requires touch.

And we have already seen that Obito can hit and phase at the same time, just can't wrap others while phased.