Obito w/ EDO JIN Army vs EMS Madara with Kyuubi

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@Bold. Now you are just being silly.
Battle intellect doesn't mean you win lol. There are many other variables (Power levels, abilities, speed, reflexes,) etc so stop being upset and think about what i'm saying.



That's not battle intellect. He didn't fight the whole water nation he plotted and schemed. That's normal intellect and Cunning which I i've already stated Obito was great at.



Actually he did... He outsmarted quite a few people in this series during Battle:

Nagato
Kakuza
Zabuza
Third Raikage
Kaguya
Madara
Deidara




Battle intellect he is an idiot.

Minato vs Obito (Forgot he had a kyuubi.) He also forgot how his Kamui worked apparently OR he forgot that his own sensei could do S/T
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Konan vs Obito (Izanagi was not required and he was EXTREMELY WRECKLESS)

Naruto,Kakashi, Gai vs Obito

Forgot how his own jutsu worked.

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Obito vs SA (No explanation needed as his emotional state made him quite derp)

In the fight with Konan I can agree he was really reckless but she would have followed him to wherever he went with all of those paperbombs. The best place to fight her would have been in Kamui's dimension because she brought him to that specific area in the rain village because there were paper bombs in the water.

Obito didn't forget how his own technique worked. He didn't have his other eye and there was no way for him to know where Kakashi had specifically landed in Kamui's dimension. When he sucked Kakashi into the Kamui dimension, it was to stop Kakashi from sending things inside that would hit him. However, since we know that Obito had weapons hidden in the dimension and we didn't see them when the dimension was presented, it's safe to say that different things and people are in different locations of his dimension. He couldn't have known where Kakashi was.


Minato beating Obito, eh, Obito really was dull in that fight. He should have went completely intangible when Minato disappeared, but Minato needed some feats.
 

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@Bold. Now you are just being silly.
Battle intellect doesn't mean you win lol. There are many other variables (Power levels, abilities, speed, reflexes,) etc so stop being upset and think about what i'm saying.
I know exactly what you're saying and I'm saying when did he show non of those feats?


That's not battle intellect. He didn't fight the whole water nation he plotted and schemed. That's normal intellect and Cunning which I i've already stated Obito was great at.
The strategy is attacking the head while slowly taking out the higher ups. Actually beating a Mizukage who is the perfect jinchuuriki of the 3 tails requires battle intellect to kill. Wouldn't you agree?


Actually he did... He outsmarted quite a few people in this series during Battle:

Nagato
Kakuza
Zabuza
Third Raikage
Kaguya
Madara
Deidara
Besides Deidara who he steamrolled (still failed to kill him) he received intel on all of those people. Because if not for jiraiya, kakashi, and the rest of the villagers, naruto would've died at
Naruto's specialty since part 1 is Art of misdirection, it's a cunning technique which uses feints and fronts to confuse the opponent to land fatal blows towards his opponents. Sasuke pointed this out since the bell test in part 1. It worked on kakashi, kiba, chuunin exam mist ninjas, zabuza, and kaguya. Kakashi said those were just cunning tactics.

Battle intellect he is an idiot.

Minato vs Obito (Forgot he had a kyuubi.) He also forgot how his Kamui worked apparently OR he forgot that his own sensei could do S/T
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1. He didn't forget he had the kyubi, he was manipulating the kyubi to fight against , hence why that fight was not a one on one match otherwise Minato would've died a lot faster.

2. He never forgot his sensei's s/t, his reaction time was slower than minato's. If he mastered his reaction time better, minato would've been capture by now. And on a side note. He was only 13 years old.
That's like saying Naruto's a battle idiot because he
Did it ever occur to you he was fighting two hokages with a summoning he just intelligently stole at the age of 13? Naruto's best feat at that age was summoning the boss toad to beat shukaku while Tobi/obito went there empty handed before summoning the kyubi that was under the leaf villages control. Even Minato himself said that he saw through all his moves and only madara had that kind of feat at the age of 13 years old.

I'm so lose on why you think he's an idiot after doing all that. Orochimaru tried to replicate Tobi/obito's feats with the sand villages help and still failed.

Konan vs Obito (Izanagi was not required and he was EXTREMELY WRECKLESS)
It was a prepared trap that nobody had a counter to. Once inside the abyss, konan was able to explode letter tags instantaneously. That jutsu is stronger than the 2nd Hokages tandem explosive tags. It's S rank. Can you name one person that can get out of that abyss without Izanagi and how? Because that's borderline impossible.

Naruto,Kakashi, Gai vs Obito

Forgot how his own jutsu worked.

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What are you talking about? He never had double mangekyo before so how would he know that his left eye can automatically appear next to his intangibe body? Even you don't know

Obito vs SA (No explanation needed as his emotional state made him quite derp)
I mean he was winning. He just gave up due to PIS. He was 5 minutes away from IT.

Hashirama was brilliant in battle. God of Shinobi no explanation needed.
No he was an idiot. Tobirama said so. god of shinobi is just a senseless hype that everyone takes out of proportion. Hiruzen was god of shinobi's too and even he said that Orochimaru was a bigger genius than him and Sasuke likewise.
 

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In the fight with Konan I can agree he was really reckless but she would have followed him to wherever he went with all of those paperbombs. The best place to fight her would have been in Kamui's dimension because she brought him to that specific area in the rain village because there were paper bombs in the water.

Obito didn't forget how his own technique worked. He didn't have his other eye and there was no way for him to know where Kakashi had specifically landed in Kamui's dimension. When he sucked Kakashi into the Kamui dimension, it was to stop Kakashi from sending things inside that would hit him. However, since we know that Obito had weapons hidden in the dimension and we didn't see them when the dimension was presented, it's safe to say that different things and people are in different locations of his dimension. He couldn't have known where Kakashi was.


Minato beating Obito, eh, Obito really was dull in that fight. He should have went completely intangible when Minato disappeared, but Minato needed some feats.



Yeah Obito wasn't thinking clearly in either of those fights(Konan or Minato)

He was better off sticking with the kyuubi and then fighting Minato with the kyuubi. It would have forced Minato to defend from TBB while also trying not to be absorbed which would have worked.

As for him not knowing Kakashi location that isn't plausible as it was clear that Kamui dimension was on the exact same plain as the regular world when his mask was cut AND the following

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Kurama and Kakashi figured out a plan of attack shortly after yet it never even occured for him to check Kamui dimension.

This essentially means:

1) He was wreckless with his abilities

or

2) He didn't understand his own technique

I know exactly what you're saying and I'm saying when did he show non of those feats?



The strategy is attacking the head while slowly taking out the higher ups. Actually beating a Mizukage who is the perfect jinchuuriki of the 3 tails requires battle intellect to kill. Wouldn't you agree?



Besides Deidara who he steamrolled (still failed to kill him) he received intel on all of those people. Because if not for jiraiya, kakashi, and the rest of the villagers, naruto would've died at
Naruto's specialty since part 1 is Art of misdirection, it's a cunning technique which uses feints and fronts to confuse the opponent to land fatal blows towards his opponents. Sasuke pointed this out since the bell test in part 1. It worked on kakashi, kiba, chuunin exam mist ninjas, zabuza, and kaguya. Kakashi said those were just cunning tactics.


1. He didn't forget he had the kyubi, he was manipulating the kyubi to fight against , hence why that fight was not a one on one match otherwise Minato would've died a lot faster.

2. He never forgot his sensei's s/t, his reaction time was slower than minato's. If he mastered his reaction time better, minato would've been capture by now. And on a side note. He was only 13 years old.
That's like saying Naruto's a battle idiot because he
Did it ever occur to you he was fighting two hokages with a summoning he just intelligently stole at the age of 13? Naruto's best feat at that age was summoning the boss toad to beat shukaku while Tobi/obito went there empty handed before summoning the kyubi that was under the leaf villages control. Even Minato himself said that he saw through all his moves and only madara had that kind of feat at the age of 13 years old.

I'm so lose on why you think he's an idiot after doing all that. Orochimaru tried to replicate Tobi/obito's feats with the sand villages help and still failed.


It was a prepared trap that nobody had a counter to. Once inside the abyss, konan was able to explode letter tags instantaneously. That jutsu is stronger than the 2nd Hokages tandem explosive tags. It's S rank. Can you name one person that can get out of that abyss without Izanagi and how? Because that's borderline impossible.


What are you talking about? He never had double mangekyo before so how would he know that his left eye can automatically appear next to his intangibe body? Even you don't know


I mean he was winning. He just gave up due to PIS. He was 5 minutes away from IT.


No he was an idiot. Tobirama said so. god of shinobi is just a senseless hype that everyone takes out of proportion. Hiruzen was god of shinobi's too and even he said that Orochimaru was a bigger genius than him and Sasuke likewise.

Read what you're typing. Its completely irrelevant to what we discussing. Its just you fanboying

Make a thread about battle Intellect Naruto or Obito. Im sure people will say the same
 

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Yeah Obito wasn't thinking clearly in either of those fights(Konan or Minato)

He was better off sticking with the kyuubi and then fighting Minato with the kyuubi. It would have forced Minato to defend from TBB while also trying not to be absorbed which would have worked.

As for him not knowing Kakashi location that isn't plausible as it was clear that Kamui dimension was on the exact same plain as the regular world when his mask was cut AND the following

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Kurama and Kakashi figured out a plan of attack shortly after yet it never even occured for him to check Kamui dimension.

This essentially means:

1) He was wreckless with his abilities

or

2) He didn't understand his own technique



Read what you're typing. Its completely irrelevant to what we discussing. Its just you fanboying

Make a thread about battle Intellect Naruto or Obito. Im sure people will say the same

How is asking you a question, fanboying? I can tell that you didn't read what I said at all or you just couldn't refute the points I made.
The only reason why I'm emphasizing a point because this is about a clan as a whole.

Calling a Uchiha clan member an idiot in any category whether it be strategy or battle genius is the same thing as calling a random Nara clan member an idiot. It's just not possible within the clan, and after everything he's done he's the farthest thing from an idiot. Even Minato praised him for what he's done.

And in retrospect, I think Naruto is way more cunning than Obito. Obito's just smarter in planning and battle genius like ALL Uchihas.
 

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it'll be a stalmate with intel as madara has huge chakra pool and obito cannot be touched. The whole battle obito will be finding a way to get past susano and madara will be trying to counter attack. If obito had his 2nd eye, he could bust up susano and kill madara. Though i wonder can obito take away kurama from madara since obito has better genjutsu feats :p
 
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