Madara was stronger but Obito had greater potential, well at least eye potential. Kamui+PS is stronger than everything Madara had to offer. It was such a powerful combo that even in his Jin state, Kishi had to restrict it to make him more vulnerable
But DMS Obito's Senjutsu is far below than Juubito's Senjutsu and Obito can only use the Staff which can only block small Gudodama. Nunobuko would destroy the staff
In terms of defense, kamui has been shown to bypass it like anything else. [
I agree
But Obito's Kamui wont be much help against Juubito.
If Obito tries to snipe,Juubito will sense the chakra build up and will evade it with his far superior speed.
Either way Obito cannot defeat Juubito in the real world so he will absorb him to the Kamui world to try and finish him there but Juubito would pretty much neg him since he cant Phase in the KW
No nuke is touching obito, not when he can become intangible before a JJ can lay his hands on him. [
& Then kamui shuriken destroys the sword, the point is that using onmyoudon for offensive purposes is pointless.
I agree
But Obito's Kamui wont be much help against Juubito.
If Obito tries to snipe,Juubito will sense the chakra build up and will evade it with his far superior speed.
His speed actually isn't far superior, rikudou chakra gave kakashi enough speed to keep up with kaguya, & a simple EMS sasuke & BSM naruto were able to track JJ obito's speed after a while. [
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Nothing suggests he has the speed to evade kamui especially when long ranged did
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to a teleporting mazou & having both eyes multiples that speed even further.
Either way Obito cannot defeat Juubito in the real world so he will absorb him to the Kamui world to try and finish him there but Juubito would pretty much neg him since he cant Phase in the KW
JJ obito is definitely not faster than madara, if anything they're the same speed at the very most. Madara reacted to FTG twice & still couldn't touch obito. Obito has shown enough strength to not only pierce madara's body but push him back multiple feet as well.
Let me rephrase that, the portal it creates is the size of PS. Once the shuriken touches it's target it turns into a portal as large as PS as shown in the scan.
2- A few Gudodama can change the direction of the Kamui Shuriken
Obito's chakra, obito's eyes, obito's rikudou senjutsu. Nothing suggests he can't unless you believe that kakashi can control obito's chakra better than he can himself. However that would make no sense since it's a fact that obito has better chakra control than kakashi [controlled 5-6 bijuu simultaneously].
The amount he has isn't the point, he has it which enables him to deflect gudodama.
& Then kamui shuriken destroys the sword, the point is that using onmyoudon for offensive purposes is pointless.
His speed actually isn't far superior, rikudou chakra gave kakashi enough speed to keep up with kaguya, & a simple EMS sasuke & BSM naruto were able to track JJ obito's speed after a while. [
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Nothing suggests he has the speed to evade kamui especially when long ranged did
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to a teleporting mazou & having both eyes multiples that speed even further.
This is irrelevant, JJ obito would lose due to BFR if he get trapped inside the dimension, so that's a victory for DMS obito.
Alternatively, a snipe to the head should logically kill him as well since he isn't immortal.
JJ obito is definitely not faster than madara, if anything they're the same speed at the very most. Madara reacted to FTG twice & still couldn't touch obito. Obito has shown enough strength to not only pierce madara's body but push him back multiple feet as well.
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Let me rephrase that, the portal it creates is the size of PS. Once the shuriken touches it's target it turns into a portal as large as PS as shown in the scan.
No they can't, anything that touches them gets warped, they still managed to warp chakra that was impossible to touch on contact.
Obito's chakra, obito's eyes, obito's rikudou senjutsu. Nothing suggests he can't unless you believe that kakashi can control obito's chakra better than he can himself. However that would make no sense since it's a fact that obito has better chakra control than kakashi [controlled 5-6 bijuu simultaneously].
Hardly, madara's chakra didn't possess nagato. Obito's chakra alone managed to turn kakashi's normal eyes into dojutsu, madara implanted his eyes into nagato directly thus making all of his feats his own.
Since this is merely obito's chakra we're talking about the feats are then shared, obito used kakashi's body & kakashi used obito's chakra.
But he didnt use it even though he has it
We cant say "Madara solos via Shinra Tensei" because he never used it...
In that case Hiruzen can really perform every jutsu in Konoha
Your arguement was that you can't give Obito kakashi's Kumai feats.
But by that logic, it's like saying you can't give Madara nagato's feats with the rinnegan.
But he didnt use it even though he has it
We cant say "Madara solos via Shinra Tensei" because he never used it...
In that case Hiruzen can really perform every jutsu in Konoha
I know what you mean, so we go what the character states he can and can't do alone.
So for the Madara part, he never shown all six paths of course but in the manga it was already confirmed he can do it.:
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So by the manga itself confirming, that alone is greater any theory or argument someone else poses.
Hiruzen was said to know every Justu of the hidden leaf no doubt, but nothing was said a Hidden leaf kekkai genkai technique and other secret clan Justu that require bloodline.
Thing is, we don't know what the other Justus of the hidden leaf he knows besides the basic technique of the leaf that is used to graduate.
As for six path Justus and kamui, we do because they were already used.
